beeenbag
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WD-40. 'Nuff said.
yeah, nah. I don’t need water displaced, I need a lubricant that doesn’t gum up in cold weather
WD-40. 'Nuff said.
WD-40. 'Nuff said.
A couple of things--but for the response to make sense, one must accept that not all specialized weapons lubes are created equal.For you guys that use any of the specialized, and expensive, 'weapons' lube products, what do they provide that is not included in Mobil1 or other good quality motor oils? Same q for greases.
Glock puts anti-seize on areas of the slide in new guns. Or at least they used to--I haven't checked lately. This product was, as I understand it, there as sort of a break-in product. Glock advised that it should be left until it wore off, but never, to my knowledge, advocated replacing it.And though I'm not a Glock fan or owner, I do believe I read somewhere that a grease is used on the slide, not oil. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Incorrect.The only thing to keep in mind with any and all of the food grade lubricants, is they will ALL break down over time. All of them are bio degradable.
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"Food grade lubricant" means the lubricant itself is fit for human consumption. Which is why the FDA and USDA mandate it for use in and around food preparation machinery...... Not because of it's superior lubricating properties. It is made from organic matter that contains plant esters.
Mineral oil, if it's highly refined and clean, satisfies that requirement and certainly isn't biodegradeable. It is certainly not true that all food-grade lubricants are biodegradeable/plant products.
I'd be interested in how you arrived at this characterization. Is that "most" across the board, just most H1 products, just H2, just H3, or a combination of H1 & H3 products?billt360 said:Correct, but most are.
It's not considered biodegradable because it's not biodegradable. It's also not considered to be plant-based because it's not plant-based and it is considered to be petroleum based because it is petroleum based.billt360 said:While mineral oil itself may not be considered biodegradable in the true sense of the word, because it is manufactured from a petroleum base.
Of course there are. Nothing I posted, and nothing in the sources I linked to suggest otherwise.billt360 said:There are both food, and non food grade mineral oil products.
Given that you characterized petroleum based oils as having an "all but indefinite" shelf-life and stated categorically that they "will not break down over time", what is it that makes these particular mineral-oil based petroleum products have such a short shelf-life? I'd be interested to see the information you used to come to this conclusion.billt360 said:Most, but not all food grade mineral oil lubrication products are considered to have a shelf life of approximately 3 years, depending on the environment they are stored in.
I don't see any advantage to it either. I also don't see any evidence that it's necessary to avoid food grade lubricants to keep away from limited shelf-life lubricants. Clearly there are a number of H1, H2 and H3 category food-grade lubricants that are not biodegradeable/plant-based and therefore should have, as you say, "all but indefinite shelf life."billt360 said:I'm just not seeing ANY advantage to using limited shelf life lubricants on any firearm for any reason. Where is the upside?
Another member asked a question about why someone would use something other than automotive products--what advantages there were. I provided an answer to that question with some additional information thrown in.billt360 said:Unless the person is badly allergic, I can't see any concern over occasional skin contact by any or all of the petroleum based firearms lubricants currently on the market. (Including several of the automotive based lubrication products). It's much the same with lead in the shooting sports. I've been handling petroleum lubricated firearms, as well as casting, reloading, and shooting lead bullets for over 5 decades. And have suffered zero ill effects from any of it.
A lot of this type of stuff is over played today, and simply requires the application of common sense. If I could find ANY evidence that mineral oil, (either food, or non food grade), offered any advantage from a lubrication standpoint over petroleum based products, I would use it without hesitation on guns I shoot on a regular basis. I can't so I don't.
I don't know where you're going with this.
I agree with all of this 100%. I don't see any advantage to the plant-based products that outweigh their downsides. That's even more true when one considers that the advantages that the plant-based products do provide can be had in other products without having to deal with the disadvantages they come with.The title of this thread is how, "Frog Lube Failed Miserably". I replied the reason it did is because the stuff IS plant based. It DOES break down and decompose because of that fact. And it DOES gum up and lock up guns when it does. There is evidence of this all over the Internet. And Frog Lube is NOT the only plant based, bio degradable "gun oil" this happens with. There are many.
Based on that, along with the fact most gun owners are not going to spend hours researching reams of information and MSDS publications, to try and determine what is or isn't in their gun lube of choice, I simply stated it's to most shooters advantage to avoid these type of lubricants all together, because there is no advantage to using them to begin with. That's it. Nothing more.
Not really, if one wants to make such a blanket statement one really needs to back it up with some sort of data, personal experience, or case as to why.WD-40. 'Nuff said.
You beat me to it. Mobil 1 5W30 is still liquid at -54deg Fahrenheit.I've had good luck with syn motor oil. One day I will try some other mixes.
Or move south. Just sayin'.Unless the Breakfree CLP is has a lower freezing point than military CLP, Breakfree will freeze as well. I believe right around 0 degrees if I am remembering right, and will gum up a bit warmer. I can't remember the exact cut off in temperature when we would switch from CLP to Miltec 1
I've made a lot of money off of guys like you.......some of them I even told specifically NOT to use WD-40 as a lubricant, and told them specifically what TO use to avoid their jammed gun coming in the shop every fall.....but did they listen? No.
Really have to work at it!What oil/grease to use threads are almost as bad as what gun for bear threads, except that we can glean some useful information form these threads if we work at it.
....... Coconut oil? Palm oil, peanut oil, soybean oil Olive oil. I can make my own Coconut and Palm oil in my back yard. How about Whale oil. bear grease? Peanut oil has a high burn temp, use Pam on your guns.
I forget to mention KY (water based)Pat Rogers ran an AR on Vagisil once.
Pat Rogers ran an AR on Vagisil once.
You beat me to it. Mobil 1 5W30 is still liquid at -54deg Fahrenheit.
I know that WD-40 gets a bad rap both in and on a lot of gun forums. That said, it scores remarkably well in the Brownell's rust inhibitor test. Better than most actually. But it is lacking in the lubrication dept.