George Clooney said what?

[dairycreek]

If you want to make an impact!

Do as PATH suggests and "vote with your wallet"! Also communicate to your friends and acquaintances about the insensitive comments made by those such as Clooney and urge them to vote with their wallets as well.


runt_of_the_litter makes a suggestion and a plea. I concur! Read the thread and try to communicate without using gratuitous obscenities. THR will be the better for it. Good shooting

 

[Sisco]

I've said this before, will say it again.

Celebs like Clooney, Streisand et. al. who use their celebrity to further their own agendas should be aware of something:
They are not royalty, they are the court jesters. Here only to entertain us. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, theirs is no more important nor should carry more weight than yours or mine.
If all the actors disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, would they really be missed? We'd still have re-runs and people willing to take their place.
Now, what if all the ditch diggers, garbage collectors, carpenters, nurses and teachers were to disappear instead? I bet we'd miss them a whole lot more.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

Successful Hollywood types make obscene amounts of money while they are basically worthless in terms of their contribution to society - especially compared to some of they people they portray. They realize this and that's why they take up these "causes".

 

[PKAY]

Here's what I sent off to Bill O'Reilly yesterday on this matter:

Bill:

George Clooney, like Alec Baldwin, is little more than an effete, elitist snob; a typical limousine liberal from Tinsel Town whose ego is only matched by his incredible hubris. His leftist demagoguery and insensitivity to the plight of Charleton Heston exposes his hypocrisy. Those with whom he disagrees are not only worthy of his scorn, but outright hatred. Figuratively speaking, Clooney suffers from a rectal cranial inversion which he is not likely to remedy soon.

 

[Sisco]

PKAY - well said. But is it "Pithy" enough for Bill?

 

[hansolo]

THR's "Anti-Acting" folks

I promise to keep this polite and not mention anyone by their handle. Regarding George Clooney's insensitive remarks towards Charlton Heston's Alzheimers Disease -- Shame on him!

On the other hand, a couple of THR members state their disdain for Actors and "movie people" in general. Well, Do y'all enjoy any movies at all? Like, any War films, such as , "Run Silent Run Deep," "The Sands of Iwo Jima"? "Saving Private Ryan"?
-- Yes?! You DO enjoy some motion pictures? Well, how would they ever have come to Movie Theatres without "pansy" ACTORS and Movie People? Go Figure. BTW, I wouldn't consider John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, Bruce Willis or Ahnold to be PANSIES....

 

[meathammer]

George Clooney's remarks really tainted my image of him. I am not saying I was a huge fan or anything, but I have in the past, enjoyed movies I have seen him in. From now on, whenever I see him, I will think about his remarks. Needless to say, I won't be in line to see one of his movies, or renting one. In my opinion, he disrespected not only Mr. Heston, but a large number of the general public. Hollywood really needs to think about what is said in public, and who they may offend. Namely us. The ones who helped them make their millions.

 

[DAL]

Sorry for the language; it was inappropriate and I should have thought twice. It won't happen again.

I still stand by my assessment that acting is a less-than-manly profession. Sure, some of the actors mentioned--Tom Selleck, John Wayne, Charlton Heston--probably are/were tough, but not as tough as their screen personas might lead a naive person to believe. (If you don't agree, that's okay with me, and we can still be friends.) They're just people, and their opinions should have no more weight or validity than anyone else's. But, somehow, the media keeps giving actors, especially liberal actors, free reign to express their idiotic ideas.

Sometimes I think many of these puffed-up, self-important former waiters and valets really believe that some of the characters they've played have rubbed off on them. They also believe that box office success equals expertise on any subject they choose to babble about. From what I've seen, it doesn't.

One other thing: Calling most of the people we see on screen and in theaters actors does a disservice to people who really can act. The vast majority of Hollywood actors are merely screen personalities. They are the same basic character in just about everything they do. Two examples that readily spring to mind are Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino.

I've had my say. If you don't agree with me, so be it. I really don't care all that much either way. Take care, have a good life, keep forking money over to a Hollywood that is in diametric opposition to everything you hold dear, and sleep well.
DAL

P.S. BTW, I'll change my first post so it can't be deemed offensive by some, even though it would probably only gotten a PG rating.

 

[pbman]

We need to start a list for actors like clooney and alec baldwin......

It would be a big help to boycot their movies.

Hit them were they live.

 

[DAL]

An EXCELLENT idea, pbman. Members could then submit the names of "actors" who have mouthed anti-gun rhetoric and we could boycott their what-is-probably-a-steaming-pile-of-garbage movies. The more negative word-of-mouth coverage we can give these fools, the better off we'll be.
DAL

 

[Joe Demko]

I still stand by my assessment that acting is a less-than-manly profession.

Have you ever done it? What professions are manly, in your opinion? Does there have to be an element of danger? Is it a matter of having to physically exert one's self? Do you have to wear something "butch" like a toolbelt?

 

[hansolo]

"Macho, macho man..."

So, a REALLY, REALLY great "Stage" actor -- let's say, the late Sir Larry Olivier(who was a film actor, too)is superior to a purely film actor? BTW, does a "really good" actor have to shoot guns?

I think the point here is, George Clooney said something really insensitive and another issue is, he is an Anti....and, here come the apples & oranges, a mediocre actor, 'cause all the "good movies" are in the past?

With all due respect to the folks who think ALL MOVIE ACTORS ARE PANSIES -- what's so bad about PANSIES? I think they're very pretty flowers

 

[Coronach]

Successful Hollywood types make obscene amounts of money while they are basically worthless in terms of their contribution to society - especially compared to some of they people they portray. They realize this and that's why they take up these "causes".

Hahahaha. Can I quote you on that?

And I don't agree that acting is 'pansy' any more than writing is 'pansy.' Who cares? Acting is a decent profession. The problem is that it is just acting. Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. It is an art form to be certain, and one requiring great skill...but in the end it is just art. Many of its practitioners think that being good at acting elevates them to some lofty position where their opinions about current events, the international community and government policy matter to everyone else.

It does not.

Mike

 

[bigbore45colt]

Folks, let's not stoop to name calling and denigration of someone's profession...we're just stooping down to their level.

What Clooney said is absolutely inexcusable, insensitive, and hurtful. He tried to justify himself by saying that Charlton Heston deserved it because he is the President of the NRA. A further example of the idiocy of this man (Clooney).

We should not, however, go on attacking him for the profession that he chose. It has nothing to do with it. Yes, I agree that most of the Hollywood types are celebrities and society grants them priviledges that may or may not be deserved, such as offering your opinion on public television about social issues and current events. Let's keep in mind that other than being a good actor/actress, there are no other requirements of them. Being a good actor/actress does NOT give anyone the experience, expertise, and/or education to become an 'expert' on anything other than being an actor.

Why is Sean Penn qualified to speak about the war on Iraq? He isn't, unfortunately he gets the tv time and exposure and tries to further advance his interests and career. We don't have to believe or listen to him!

Heston's retort to Clooney was something to the order of "he showed that sometimes class does skip a generation" I think that was a very good retort, full of respect for Rosemary Clooney.

The man, Clooney, is an idiot but not because he is an actor, because he's just an idiot. There are other idiots out there that feel the same way about guns, the NRA, and Charlton Heston. Let's make sure that we target our efforts on educating and, if we have to, fighting the idiots, and not get bogged down on name calling and such...let's leave that for the other side.

Sorry for the long post. I'm off my soap-box now.

Take care, and, always, RKBA!

BB45C

 

[ReadyontheRight]

Successful Hollywood types make obscene amounts of money while they are basically worthless in terms of their contribution to society - especially compared to some of they people they portray. They realize this and that's why they take up these "causes".

On the other hand, a couple of THR members state their disdain for Actors and "movie people" in general. Well, Do y'all enjoy any movies at all? Like, any War films, such as , "Run Silent Run Deep," "The Sands of Iwo Jima"? "Saving Private Ryan"?

Re-reading my post, I should have qualified it. What I mean is that I think MANY (not all) of the Hollywood elite use causes as a means to get over their guilty feelings for the amount of money they make vs. what they actually do. The problem is that these causes seem well-intentioned, but almost invariably fall into the category of "do as I say, not what I do". Why do the pet causes of Jane Fonda, Norman Lear, Alec Baldwin and George Clooney always have to affect our lives?

I wish they could just appreciate their luck, enjoy their work and donate to charity. Hollywood IS an American success story, but it's funding some very hateful causes.

 

[ButchG17]

George Clooney is a rude, inconsiderate fool and a hypocrite. I'll not watch his work.


Some other actors:

Eddie Albert

The outbreak of World War II sent Albert into the United States Navy as a junior officer, and during 1943 he distinguished himself in the fighting on Tarawa. Assigned as the salvage officer in the shore party of the second landing wave, which engaged in heavy fighting with the Japanese, his job was to examine military equipment abandoned on the battlefield to see if it should be retrieved, but what he found were wounded men who had been left behind under heavy fire, whom he took off the beach in a small launch not designed for that mission, involving multiple trips; he earned commendations for his bravery, became a bona fide hero, and was sent home to support a War Bond drive (though he never traded on his war experiences, only discussing them in detail on camera in the 1990's).
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Tyrone Power

In 1942, Tyrone enlisted for active duty with the Marine Corp. Prior to the active enlistment, Tyrone completed two more critically acclaimed films, A Yank in the R.A.F and Blood and Sand. Between 1942 and 1945, Tyrone logged eleven hundred hours of flying time with a considerable amount of it under enemy fire. He was discharged a First Lieutenant in 1946.
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James Stewart

Jimmy Stewart enlisted in the Army Air Corps in March 1941. His war record included 20 combat missions as command pilot. After being promoted to squadron commander, he became operations officer, and from 1944 to 1945 served as chief of staff, 2nd Combat Wing, 2nd Division, 8th Air Force.
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James Arness

During World War II, Jim served his country at Anzio where he was wounded and was awarded the Purple Heart.
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James Whitmore

Served in the Marine Corps during WWII
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Clark Gable

Flying in Maj. Theodore Milton's Ain't It Gruesome, Gable somehow wedged himself in behind the top turret gunner for a better view. He was amply rewarded: fighters made five passes, killing one man, wounding seven others, and damaging eleven 351st planes. At one point a 20-mm shell came through Gruesome's floor, cut off the heel from Gable's boot, and exited a foot from his head, all without exploding. Afterward, the crew noticed the holes, and Gable his boot; they all realized he had almost been killed. Gruesome had fifteen shell holes.
Brushing it off with reporters, Gable claimed, “l didn't know it had happened. I didn't know anything about it until we had dropped eleven thousand feet (and could get off oxygen and look around). Only then did I see the hole in the turret.â€
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Audie Murphy

If you don’t know who Audie Murphy is, shame on you.

 

[moa]

That reminds me that Heston served during WWII as well. Don't know what he did then.

Also, Clooney is a pigmy in the acting business compared to Heston. Clooney will never reach the stature of Heston, who besides being an Oscar winning actor who starred in many epic motion pictures, he was President of the Screen Actors Guild and prominent in the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

 

[Blackhawk]

Somewhere along the line the commercial line:

"I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV, and I'm recommending that you take ________ for your ________."

became acceptable to people instead of being regarded as simply asinine.

Now "celebrity" itself has some association with credibility.

Perhaps Christina Aguilara and Britney Spears should become Ambassadors to the U.N. or something.

Clooney had a famous aunt. She had all the class.

 

[DAL]

After further thought, I should not have said that actors were pansies, because clearly many are not (although some are), but that acting in and of itself SEEMS somewhat effeminate. Maybe it's the make-up thing, I don't know.

I know about Eddie Ablbert's (as well as many of the others mentioned) war actions. A true mensch if ever there was one.

BTW, did you hear about John Wayne's (aka Marion Michael Morrison) embarassing little moment during WWII? Apparently, one of his movies was shown to a group of soldiers on an island in the Pacific during WWII. After the movie was over, it was announced that there was a surprise for those present. Just then, John Wayne himself stepped out from behind the screen and he was roundly booed. From what I understand, the guys who were actually doing the fighting didn't take too kindly to a Hollywood actor who only, at least in their minds, glorified the hell (and yes, I said hell!, do-gooders) that they went through.
DAL

 

[Hardtarget]

This is not an effort to defend or negate what Clooney said...but don't I remember someone in the gun fraternity refering to Sara Brady's husband as her "pull toy"? Sometimes,how we feel about this kind of comment, depends on which way its going. To be sure, I feel better knowing I don't support him by going to his movies. He is kind of a non person to me...along with several others of his ilk.
Mark.

 

[JohnKSa]

Again we see the double standard the liberals use...

Wouldn't Clooney's remarks be condemned as "hate speech" if they referred to someone with more of a lean to the left?

I think so.

 

[Shamaya]

Lighten up.

I thought the joke about Heston was funny and creative (suggesting that Clooney didn't think of it).

If it had been made about Sarah Brady or some equally troubled person, most of us would have thought it was funny, too.

Being a public figure means you are open to free speech being used against you. Period.

Furthermore, Heston would be much easier to defend if he wasn't a Second Amendment ninny on the depth of breadth of real RKBA issues. But, alas, he's just a figurehead who gives empty threats about how they'd have to pry his cold dead hands from single shot antiques so money can be raised to fight for enforcement of evil gun laws -- so this whole public stink is a waste of good energy that could be directed usefully.

 

[TheeBadOne]

Shamaya, it's not the joke that bothered me, but what he said after it.

 

[jmbg29]

Speak of the Devil

Perhaps Christina Aguilara and Britney Spears should become Ambassadors to the U.N. or something.

Angelina Jolie at Kakuma camp in Kenya
17 October – Oscar-winning actress and United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) Goodwill Ambassador Angelina Jolie is using her celebrity to draw attention to the plight of those living in camps in Kenya.

During a recent visit to the Kakuma camp, which houses some 80,000 people, Ms. Jolie was visibly moved by the stories she heard from refugee girls who had been forced to flee their homes. "These girls are so strong, so inspiring," she said. "They want an education because they want a better life, they know they don't have to stay forever near the bottom of the pile and want to move up."

The Goodwill Ambassador shook her head in disbelief as she heard how many of the girls and women in the camp were subjected to various forms of violence - from rape to genital mutilation - and how they were unable to attend school due to domestic chores. "I was upset to find that a good part of them are in this situation because of both early and forced marriages," she said.

To address the problems of young girls being abducted for marriage and early pregnancies, the UN refugee agency has set up programmes in the camp aimed at increasing the number of female police officers to encourage reporting of such incidents. Women's committees throughout the camp also help counsel victims of early pregnancies and speak to communities about the risks of female genital mutilation.

Reflecting her commitment to helping alleviate the situation, Ms. Jolie, who has contributed extensively to UNHCR's work in the past, made a personal donation of $200,000 to the agency's operations in Kenya, earmarking $50,000 to build a new girls' school. Many of its prospective pupils sang and clapped as she unveiled a plaque at the proposed site. The plaque reads: "Dedicated to the emancipation of the refugee girls of Kakuma and women's rights and freedom to education."

"With this help, and the construction of this school, future generations of girls will be saved," said UNHCR's Kofi Mable.

Ms. Jolie, who is in Kenya shooting the sequel to the movie "Tomb Raider," also visited several other projects at the camp and handed out gifts ranging from volleyballs to exercise books. UNHCR's Representative to Kenya, George Okoth-Obbo, said her presence was a shot in the arm to all concerned. "It is wonderful and humbling that someone so busy should find time to come here, to use her renown, her artistry, her presence, just to bring some joy into what is undoubtedly a hard life for many of the people here," he said.
:banghead:

 

[Shamaya]

Not directed at you, friend.

TheeBadOne said: "Shamaya, it's not the joke that bothered me, but what he said after it."

I wasn't directing my response to this thread to you specifically, friend. Just making a general observation about the way our side has taken Cloonatic's ramblings so seriously -- a lot more seriously than many among us take the traitorous words that have come out of Moses' mouth, in fact.

Heston's fair game from the Left just like Hitlery is fair game from the right.