Buzznrose
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LOL! You are a certainly one of a kind, Marky_Mark! I love your posts!!!
Glock triggers - help me please.
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vanfunk
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Thank you sir. I just disagree. I have the performance trigger, and a Ghost Ultimate connector, in my g17 and it’s just not good for me. Maybe we differ over how a “wall” is defined? For me the Glock wall is like pushing a knitting needle through a roll of toilet paper. A humorous exaggeration, yes, but I’m trying to make the point that it just doesn’t feel like a break to me. The only Glock I carry is my G42 and I am not planning any changes for that. How can I get a crisp trigger pull? More than anything, I am looking for a crisp 3.5 lb pull with minimal overtravel.
Zerodefect
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You can't.
I'd polish that sewing needle, then wet the tube, so that it smooshes through softly.
Crisp is bad. In Glocks more than anything else.
But, OEM 5.5 connector, stronger trigger spring, polish connector and trigger bar, stone striker cross perfectly flat and polish, and medium striker spring stretched out a hair, might get you close to what you want.
3.5 connector will have less wall, less break.
I'd polish that sewing needle, then wet the tube, so that it smooshes through softly.
Crisp is bad. In Glocks more than anything else.
But, OEM 5.5 connector, stronger trigger spring, polish connector and trigger bar, stone striker cross perfectly flat and polish, and medium striker spring stretched out a hair, might get you close to what you want.
3.5 connector will have less wall, less break.
vanfunk
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I have a “crisp” mental image of that, thank you! 
I guess I don’t understand how crisp is bad, though. I like crisp mornings, crisp conversations, crisp apples, and crisp triggers. It’s ok, I know I am asking too much and I am moving on.
I guess I don’t understand how crisp is bad, though. I like crisp mornings, crisp conversations, crisp apples, and crisp triggers. It’s ok, I know I am asking too much and I am moving on.
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Zerodefect
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I have a “crisp” mental image of that, thank you!
I guess I don’t understand how crisp is bad, though. I like crisp mornings, crisp conversations, crisp apples, and crisp triggers. It’s ok, I know I am asking too much and I am moving on.
So you're racing to pull thr trigger, if your grip is off, when you get to that "wall", your sights are going to move.
No issue if that wall is a sharp crisp 2.5# 1911 or a 1.4# CZ mouse click. Especially when they weigh 87 pounds.
On a striker pistol, you can turn that wall into mashed potatoes, then it's a nice smooth trigger pull. Like a well tuned DA revolver (that was made of plastic).
The 3.5 connector just makes the break creepier. The engagement on the connector is at a more shallow angle. So there's more trigger travel through the break. Mushier, but smoother.
InTheSwamp
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More like a diesel truck, ... are we veering off topic?
vanfunk
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Why am I racing, and why is my grip off? So is there a Glock trigger that feels like a well tuned DA revolver? I LOVE well tuned DA revolvers and would enjoy that. I’m not being sarcastic or poking fun - I would genuinely love that. I don’t think it’s possible, though, based on my research and input on this thread (and certainly notwithstanding manufacturer claims). I’m sorry we’re going round and round. The break is horribly creepy and that throws me off. I don’t want creepy, I want crisp. If that can’t be had, so be it. That’s where I am anyway.
To me too much ado is made about triggers. I have my preference sure, and I can appreciate tuned, light triggers.
I don't know. Maybe its so much time spent on double action revolvers, but I look at it like a pistolero should be able to pick up most any platform and make it work for them. Adapt to it.
Apart from a hinky trigger on a taurus sub compact auto, I've never gotten rid of a gun because of the trigger, or been unsuccessful after a range trip or two at dialing it in.
(And I used to carry a pa-63!)
I don't know. Maybe its so much time spent on double action revolvers, but I look at it like a pistolero should be able to pick up most any platform and make it work for them. Adapt to it.
Apart from a hinky trigger on a taurus sub compact auto, I've never gotten rid of a gun because of the trigger, or been unsuccessful after a range trip or two at dialing it in.
(And I used to carry a pa-63!)
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you know what’s a AMAZING striker trigger. CZ P10! That’s a good DA feeling trigger. $380 on sale
InTheSwamp
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That's what Simo Häyhä said.
Zerodefect
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It'll roll like a smooth revolver, but still "feels" completely different. Lighter for sure.
You can beat the creep by locking in your grip, bring your elbows up and pinch the Glock. Keep that front sight motionless for the entire pull. When you "get it: Glocks become a whole better beast.
vanfunk
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Thanks dudes. I wish it rolled like a smooth revolver; instead mine roll like a trash can full of bricks and small battleship parts. Defjon- please don’t misunderstand and I am sorry if I have misled you - I am proficient with Glocks. I can shoot them as well and as fast as I would have to in any defensive situation. However, I don’t shoot them half as well as anything else I have, because of the trigger. It’s not about getting used to it for me, it’s about wanting it to be something that I know now it can never be. Kinda like my second wife.
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That's interesting.
I currently have 6 1911's that are all 100% stock. I've owned 4 glocks (Still own 3)
The 1911 triggers have all been lighter and crisper than the Glocks out of the box.
The heaviest 1911 trigger was 4.75 lbs with a clean break. The lightest Glock trigger was ~6 lbs with a stop and then a mushy/springy take up before it broke.
2 of the Glocks I still own have Lone Wolf triggers, the other has an Apex. They make the pull break much better, and they all are around 5 lbs now and much more crisp. But still not as good as the worst 1911 I have.
Glock triggers work, but in my experience feel nothing like a 1911 trigger. The Glock trigger even at a similar weight feels worse due to the smaller contact area of the trigger face.
But again, like I said before, triggers are very subjective.
Jim Watson
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I once read of a setup that would give a Glock a smooth roll the author compared to true double action. I would prefer that to the usual take up and springy “wall.”
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If it's the best combat trigger in the world, why do I need to do specific things to overcome its shortcomings?
If your trigger finger is tuned for it (and it does take repetitions and dedication) a light, crisp trigger is generally the best for accuracy.
"But this is COMBAT shooting, Larry, not target practice!!!"
I'd suggest that hitting a live, moving target that's attacking you will demand more accuracy than slow, quiet shooting at a bullseye; I anticipate a defensive shooting demanding every skill and advantage I can muster, along with as much luck as my karma will allow. I'm not leaving a single advantage on the table, and that includes a trigger that maximizes accuracy.
Larry
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You said "every skill and advantage I can muster".
That's why I tune the Glock trigger, and the 1911 trigger, and the CZ grips.
You do you. Your way. I'll keep doing it my way.
That's why I tune the Glock trigger, and the 1911 trigger, and the CZ grips.
You do you. Your way. I'll keep doing it my way.
vanfunk
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Hi all, thanks for the continued discussion. As the OP I am still a ways away from understanding the comparisons being made. For example:
1) “I think the Glock trigger/my Glock trigger feels like a 1911.” To me, this is not a relevant comparison and the Glock trigger feels nothing like any 1911 I’ve ever fired, from USGI to Tisas to Nighthawk. 1911 triggers are far “better” meaning they are lighter, crisper, with far less travel, and I can shoot them accurately. If you have a trigger on your Glock that genuinely, no lie, feels like a 1911, even like a super cheap 1911, what is it?
2) “the Glock trigger is like a double action revolver.” Again to me, not a relevant comparison. My Charter Arms Bulldog, with a DA pull of 14 lbs, is far smoother and less distracting and crunchy/mushy than my Glocks’ triggers. If you have a Glock with a truly revolver-esque trigger (again, please don’t exaggerate), like a light S&W or Colt DA trigger, what is it and how did you accomplish it?
Thank you,
1) “I think the Glock trigger/my Glock trigger feels like a 1911.” To me, this is not a relevant comparison and the Glock trigger feels nothing like any 1911 I’ve ever fired, from USGI to Tisas to Nighthawk. 1911 triggers are far “better” meaning they are lighter, crisper, with far less travel, and I can shoot them accurately. If you have a trigger on your Glock that genuinely, no lie, feels like a 1911, even like a super cheap 1911, what is it?
2) “the Glock trigger is like a double action revolver.” Again to me, not a relevant comparison. My Charter Arms Bulldog, with a DA pull of 14 lbs, is far smoother and less distracting and crunchy/mushy than my Glocks’ triggers. If you have a Glock with a truly revolver-esque trigger (again, please don’t exaggerate), like a light S&W or Colt DA trigger, what is it and how did you accomplish it?
Thank you,
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Mine are all box stock Glocks triggers. All but one of my 1911's are box stock triggers. I cant say for sure what the weights are on the Tisas's and the one Colt are, but the other Colt and the kit gun are right at 5-6#. And the others all feel about the same to me.
The one trigger I had to have worked on, was the kit gun. The trigger that came in the kit was out of spec and had a pull measured in double digits, both poundage and fingers to pull it. I gave it to EGW to correct at the time and they set it at 6# as I requested.
And those are just the 1911's I kept when I got out of them at the end of the last century, and a couple Ive picked up in the past year or so. In the past 50 years or so, Ive owned around 40 or so of them, and all those guns had stock, factory triggers, and they all felt about the same to me. At least I could shoot them well and didn't feel the need to mess with them.
My Gen 2, 3 and 4 Glocks all feel about the same too, and all have the factory 5.5# connectors in them, and have a break that is very much like my 1911's when they break (i.e. at the wall. Im not including the initial take up when the trigger is first pulled. That only happens on the first pull, or if you release the reset, and isn't even noticed. Its no different than a military two stage trigger on a rifle). They aren't mushy or have a lot of weird creepy travel that people keep talking about. The Gen 5's are a tad different in feel, if you really want to focus on them and don't have quite as crisp a break, but they are not bad or anything distracting.
Just out of curiosity here, since some seem so sensitive about their triggers. Is it just handgun triggers you feel the need to mess with, or do you feel you have to mess with all your rifle triggers too?
Personally, I don't mess with any of them, and never seem to have had any issues shooting well with both military and commercial guns with stock triggers. Ive shot a lot of military type matches with stock military rifles and never had a problem placing on the upper end of things. When I think back, with all the long guns Ive owned over the decades I might have had two that had trigger work, and that was because there was something wrong with them.
Ive owned a number of the HK "90" series rifles in the past too, which have triggers that many, if not most Americans, would cry bloody murder about their triggers being so horrible, and mine all shot just as well as my M1's and M1A's, FAL's, etc., all of which had the triggers in them that came from the factory as well. At least I didn't have any troubles with them or consider them a problem.
What is it that makes people so trigger phobic and worriers these days? And how do you shoot well, when you're so focused with whats going on with the triggers? I know for me, the second my focus wanders from the target and the sights, my rounds start to wander too. Yours don't?
toivo
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I'm guessing they bought the Glock for reliability rather than for a sweet trigger. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I think of fun and competition as two different things.
At 6 pages and 150 post, I'm seeing that we have drifted well away from the OP and the noise to information ratio is well out of whack.
If folks would like to discuss specific details of how the trigger should/can be run...please start a different thread
If folks would like to discuss specific details of how the trigger should/can be run...please start a different thread
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