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GOA had nothing to do with writing the bill.
Right. I understood you were saying that GOA had
nothing to do with writing the bill: the bill's ideas and language were developed by the NRA. What you call the GOA "endorsement" was Larry Pratt's message saying he appreciated the bill.
You offered Larry Pratt's
appreciation of the bill as "That's one good thing GOA has accomplished lately." It's rare for GOA to express appreciation for work done by the NRA. GOA certainly deserves all the applause Georgia Carry is giving GOA for appreciating the work it took from the NRA.
Remember that I appreciated Georgia Carry's appreciation of Larry Pratt's appreciation? A modest trophy in appreciation of the hard work I did in my appreciation would not be unacceptable. Cash would be nice too. I work hard in endorsing the work others do in taking the work of the NRA without any acknowledgement at all.
RealGun:
It is equally challenging to substantiate NRA legislative accomplishments.
Right. For example on the national level the NRA is remiss in not filling the seats assigned to it in either house of the Congress by the Constitution, which leaves the passing of laws to representatives elected from the states.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy is wrong
when she just said publicly that:
In listing the three anti-gun violence organizations that have reservations about my bill, Mr. Sugarmann inadvertently addresses why the NRA has such power while the efforts of organizations working to prevent gun violence have been futile for close to a decade. The NRA is consolidated into a single cohesive unit, but the groups working for common sense gun laws are many and each possess their own agenda and points of view. Only when these groups join forces for common legislative goals will we be able to prevail not only in the halls of Congress, but in state legislatures and city halls across the country as well.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy and other members of the Congress know less about what influences members of the Congress on national gun legislation than does anyone on the Internet. We know better than they do. If we didn't know more than members of the Congress we would be members of the Congress. Since we aren't, we know and they don't.
In fact if members of the Congress were half as smart as any member of Gun Owners of America, they would know that the NRA has
no influence whatsoever on any legislative accomplishments at the federal level. The NRA hypnotizes members of the Congress into thinking it is a strong influence on them. It's all an illusion.
The NRA has accomplished
nothing at the state level either. It only hypnotizes state legislators into thinking it does. Don't believe what you read in newspapers such as the Washington
Post when
they report that the NRA is responsible for laws such as expanded castle doctrine in Florida, South Carolina, and many other states:
The legislation passed so emphatically that National Rifle Association backers plan to take it to statehouses across the nation, including Virginia's, over the next year. The law will let Floridians "meet force with force," erasing the "duty to retreat" when they fear for their lives outside of their homes, in their cars or businesses, or on the street.
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said in an interview that the Florida measure is the "first step of a multi-state strategy" that he hopes can capitalize on a political climate dominated by conservative opponents of gun control at the state and national levels.
"There's a big tailwind we have, moving from state legislature to state legislature," LaPierre said. "The South, the Midwest, everything they call 'flyover land' -- if John Kerry held a shotgun in that state, we can pass this law in that state."
These are lies! All lies! Lies I tell you! The NRA had nothing to do with it or with numerous other legislative accomplishments that extend the rights of gun owners in this country. It's all an illusion.
Any laws that anyone
doesn't like, though,
that's the fault of the NRA. Let's appreciate that.
Beatnik:
See, here's the thing: I'm not even sure that my selling a gun to someone straight out of the pen is illegal, since I'm a private citizen.
Right. It's hard to make sense out of a foggy law such as 18 USC 922 when it says, under "Unlawful Acts":
(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
I'm not a lawyer but I am on the Internet so I guess it must be okay for you as a private citizen to do it. After all, you're not just
any person. You're a gun owner.
Everything I know about the law I learned in Internet gun forums.
Outlaws:
The United States Constitution, Amendment Two. If the People don't feel comfortable with ex-cons having guns because they are a threat to society, the People should quit letting them out of jail.
Right. And crazy people too, even lunatics who want to murder people because they get real angry. The United States Constitution, Amendment Two, does not say that they don't have the right to keep and bear arms. It also does not say that cons don't have that right either.
If the Second Amendment did not want prisoners to have guns it would have said so. It doesn't say so.
Since the NRA won't protect the Second Amendment rights of murderous lunatics or prisoners or criminals, it is high time for Gun Owners of America to do it. There should be no compromise with the blissninnies who don't want crazies, criminals, and convicts in jail to have guns. No compromise I tell you! No compromise at all!
All:
And so, my friends, I want to express my gratitude to Gun Owners of America and its satellite "no compromise" organizations for providing a haven for people who refuse to support the NRA. Everybody needs a home. Everybody I tell you! Everybody!
I hope that you all are having as good a holiday season as I am. And I want to thank everyone for sharing. Everything I know I learned on the Internet.
I stopped reading at that point. Clearly the intent was to insult GOA members as less intelligent. I see GOA members as absolutists on 2A. I wonder if the framers where "half as smart" as "any member of the Gun Owners of America."
