Good news in Brazil!

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Wow - I am impressed!!

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/10/23/brazil.gun.referendum.ap/index.html

Brazilians look set to reject ban on gun sales

Sunday, October 23, 2005 Posted: 2314 GMT (0714 HKT)

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Brazilians appeared to soundly reject a ban on gun sales in a national referendum Sunday that stirred a fierce debate in a country with one of the world's highest gun death rates.

With results from over 71 percent of the polling places tallied, 64.78 percent of Brazilians voted against the ban, while 35.22 percent voted in favor of it, according to the Supreme Electoral Court, which oversees elections.

Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, but a staggering 25 percent more gun deaths at nearly 40,000 a year. While both sides in the debate agree that violence is excessive, opponents of the gun ban have gained support in recent weeks by playing on Brazilians' fears that the police can't protect them.

"I don't like people walking around armed on the street. But since all the bandits have guns, you need to have a gun at home," said taxi driver Mohammed Osei, who voted against the ban.

An estimated 120 million Brazilians cast ballots in the referendum. Voting is mandatory for people between ages 18 and 70, but Brazilians as young as 16 can vote. President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva voted early in a public school in suburban Sao Paulo. He told reporters he voted in favor of the ban.

If it had passed, the referendum would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition except for police, the military, some security guards, gun collectors and sports shooters. It would complement a 2003 disarmament law that sharply restricts who can legally purchase firearms and carry guns in the street.

That law, coupled with a government-sponsored gun buyback program, has reduced deaths from firearms by about 8 percent this year, the Health Ministry said.

But the referendum may have backfired for its proponents. Earlier this year, support for the ban was running as high as 80 percent. But in the weeks before the referendum, both sides were granted free time to present their cases on prime-time TV, and the pro-gun lobby began to grow.

"I turned in my gun (during the gun buyback) but what I don't want is the government to take my gun away from me. Voting 'yes' would open the door to another 'yes' that one day could limit my right to a car, to property" said retiree Vicente Martinelli.

Campaign 'imported from the United States'
Analysts said the pro-gun lobby benefited from equal time on television in the final weeks of the campaign and that they cannily cashed in on Brazilian skepticism of the police.

"They ask the question: 'Do you feel protected and do you think the government is protecting you?' and the answer is a violent no," said political scientist David Fleischer of the University of Brasilia.

Some Brazilians said they resented the referendum because they feel the government is ducking its responsibility to keep the peace.

"It's immoral for the government to have this vote," said Pedro Ricardo, an army officer in Sao Paulo. "They're putting the responsibility on us, but ... the way to cut down on violence is to combat the drug trade and patrol our borders."

The combination of Brazil's high gun-death rate and the nature of the debate over the right to gun ownership has drawn parallels to the gun debate in the United States, where the National Rifle Association, or NRA, a gun owners' lobbying group, has successfully fought gun control legislation, citing provisions in the U.S. Constitution guaranteeing the right to bear arms.

"Their whole campaign (against the ban) was imported from the United States. They just translated a lot of material from the NRA. Now, a lot of Brazilians are insisting on their right to bear arms, they don't even have a pseudo right to bear arms. It's not in their Constitution," said Jessica Galeria, an American who researches gun violence with the Viva Rio think tank.

Supporters maintained the ban on gun sales is the only way to make Brazil safer.

"We have to do something about the violence in this country," said Paulo Leite, an engineer from the upscale Ipanema beach district.

About 39,000 people in Brazil are killed by guns each year, compared to about 30,000 people in the United States, although the U.S. population is about 100 million more than Brazil's, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

According to UNESCO, Brazil ranks second worldwide in deaths by guns, with 21.72 per 100,000 people a year. Venezuela has 34.3 gun deaths per 100,000.

But in shantytowns like Vila do Joao, the rate rises to around 150 per 100,000. And for males between 17 and 24, the death rate is closer to 250 per 100,000.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
I don't think this is a surprise to any clear thinking person. Good for Brazil!

Now what needs to happen is the message that "we want to be armed" be continued, pushing for more pro gun legislation there.

The people of Brazil have an opportunity to take their country back from the criminals, let's see if they can continue to have the will to do so.

Good luck to them.

I think this is why you'll never see a "one vote once and for all" here in this country. The anti's know where that would put them.
 
This kind of scenario has been played out over and over around the world, the global collectivists will simply continue to have votes until they get the results they want.
 
Score one for freedom. Looks like the socialists currently in charge down there don't speak for the people as they claim.
 
WOW what a victory for RKBA!!! 64%! It IS a surprise, polls were going 80% the other way just a few months ago!

This is a huge setback for IANSA's efforts for international gun bans.

SAO PAULO, Brazil, Oct 23 (Reuters) - From sprawling cities plagued by violence to the backwaters of the Amazon, Brazilians voted decisively on Sunday to keep gun sales legal in the country with the world's highest death toll from firearms.

About 64 percent rejected banning arms sales in the nationwide referendum, the electoral court said, with more than 90 percent of the expected 122 million votes counted.

The referendum may have backfired for those in favor of further reducing gun violence. There has been a tremendous surge in demand for buying guns and stocking up on ammunition, said David Fleischer, a political-science professor at the University of Brasilia. "There's been an upswing of people joining shooting clubs," he said.
 
I was reading how the polls where showing 80% in support of banning guns. Then, the pro-gun groups started airing TV commericals and more print ads, directly competing against the mostly state-run media. And now look at it! 64% favoring keeping the guns!!

Also good to see all the 'gov't can't protect us' and 'The Right to self-defense' type of comments getting some air time!!! Go Brazil!!

(This is a great example of how our very own Campaign Finance Reform is truly a suppression of free political speech, and WILL harm election outcomes. If we had a similar vote in the US, the VPC and all the media outlets would get the anti-vote up to 80%. Then, the NRA would be told, sorry, you can't play, go home.... :fire: )
 
I'm sure you're right. But this is a HUGE egg in the face of the international anti-gun movement. They'll never be able to get it off, either, without risking the embarrassment of another plebiscite that turns against them. What we saw today was the victory of common sense over the combined efforts of socialists and antis across the globe to indoctrinate Brazilians. It was a campaign waged at every level, from loaded surveys making it seem like the vote was a done deal in favor of the ban to bogus statistics churned out by a deeply corrupt socialist government. Against this multinational campaign was the relatively small and powerless Brazilian gun rights movement, but David beat Goliath!
 
Wow, that is an amazing refusal considering the sheer weight of propaganda directed at Brazil. It made the recent tirade here against the AWB look like an anonymous comment on an obscure blog.

Both the government, the media, and pretty much most of the international organizations were all selling this hard.

http://instapundit.com/archives/026348.php
 
Victory. I suspect the ANTIS will try to bypass referendums from now on and push their agenda through other means.
 
From the Fox News story:

"The whole campaign (against the ban) was imported from the United States. They just translated a lot of material from the NRA," said Jessica Galeria, a Californian who researches gun violence with the Viva Rio think tank, referring to the National Rifle Association (search). "Now, a lot of Brazilians are insisting on their right to bear arms, they don't even have a pseudo right to bear arms. It's not in their Constitution."

So did I hear right? Did an anti, in California, just acknowledge that here in the USA we have the right to keep and bear arms because it's in the Constitution??????
 
TexasSIGman said:
So did I hear right? Did an anti, in California, just acknowledge that here in the USA we have the right to keep and bear arms because it's in the Constitution??????
1) I think she's from California, but in Brazil.
2) I think she was acknowledging a "pseudo-right," or basically, the collective right BS.
 
"Now, a lot of Brazilians are insisting on their right to bear arms, they don't even have a pseudo right to bear arms. It's not in their Constitution."

It ain't in our Constitution either, honey.
But just you try to 'referendum' your way into disarming us here in my country.
Come on, now... I double-dog dare you.

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The Brazilian people should celebrate, but not let their guard down.

In nearby Charlotgrad on the Catawba, the powers-that-be wanted to build a new sports arena. The socialist city council was afraid to approve the arena, so they put the issue to a referendum. After the people rejected the arena, greed overcame the politicians' fear and they approved the arena anyway.
 
gc70 said:
The Brazilian people should celebrate, but not let their guard down.

In nearby Charlotgrad on the Catawba, the powers-that-be wanted to build a new sports arena. The socialist city council was afraid to approve the arena, so they put the issue to a referendum. After the people rejected the arena, greed overcame the politicians' fear and they approved the arena anyway.

Hey that's funny! That is exactly what happened with the Brewer's Miller Stadium here in Milwaukee. Ok, not exactly, because it was the legislators themselves that voted the stadium down initially. After realizing that, "oops, too many voted no", they promptly re-voted and passed the bill that would allow billions to be spent, and taxes be raised to build a stadium for a private company. Ah, I'm ranting now, sorry. Its not even related to the topic at hand. It has always bothered me and seeing your point brought back the memories:eek:
 
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