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Got Hauled In By Campus Security

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It's college. College is full of liberal fascists who are by nature gun grabbers. The no guns rule allowed Virginia Tech to become the free-fire zone tragedy it was.

If you were clever you'd keep your trap shut on campus, get your degree, and move on. If you want to exercise your 1st amendment rights that is absolutely fine, but you will be given grief - so suck it up.
 
It's refutation time!

It would appear you have been a busy guy. Its your freshman year. a pretty important year and one that usually means a lot of change for most, at least it was for me. I think in one of your post you stated you were 18. If you matriculated in mid to late august, that means youve been there as a freshman for some 90 days or so. In that short period of time you have had a dispute with a roommate, not unusual, made over 1200 post on this forum, which means an average of some 7 to 8 a day and some quite lengthy. Though your only 18 and say you do not own a firearm you post some strong opinions on almost every subject and now you have been questioned and or counseled by the campus authority. Wow, when i was a freshman i didnt have that kind of free time. They say where there is smoke there is fire but i jump to no conclusions. Perhaps you should take a look at your academic goals and use this time as a freshman as a spring board to a bright future. It is a time you can never get back or replace so use it wisely. To every thing a season.

Do keep in mind that I've been on THR since about May and it's only been six posts a day or so. If I do only one or two at a time over the course of a day, it adds up with a distributed time investment.

I don't think I would blame campus police. They did their job.
They got a complaint, they had to check it out.
And of course, during an investigation they ask leading questions to see how you react.
The questions themselves aren't important, they were just baiting to see if you're biting.

Go on with life.

They explained their situation and I trust that they're being honest; I'm on good terms with them.

You need minority status. Try dressing in islamic garb and if they approach you again, start ranting that it’s because you’re muslim. PC vs PC.

Only on teh lollernetz

Oh yeah and Lowerunit is right on I think.

Also, British accent? Were you raised in Wales or do you just need to have an affect to make it? The way you phrased it, sounded like your options were to speak in a British accent solely or a variety of different accents. If you can't control your own voice, then I would seriously think about why a college kid who isn't into guns (or who is for that matter) would come to the decision that someone, somewhere should take a closer look at you.

Are you a drama student?

The British Accent is because my father is English and his accent has partially rubbed off on me. People find it rather confusing when I switch accents, and since my American one makes me sound like I'm 14 or so, I just keep it sounding British. I'm not a Drama student.

They aren't real police and refusing to answer is the same as an admission of "guilt" in those circumstances.

They're a private force, but they still have the power to recommend sanctions including expulsion, and they can communicate with the state police.

If you already don't particularly get along with your roommate or anyone else, they are the worst person to have a discussion about anything that can get heated. Firearms, even in a very brief conversation, with someone who doesn't even think about them or know much about the issues, can become VERY heated in a very short time.

Also, non-shooters quite frequently view anything gun related as strange or even creepy. Your level or reasons for interest don't matter at all to someone who feels that way, and they are very likely to report you as a possible threat at some point, because any interest or knowledge of guns is to them a threatening quality.

If you two had a falling out, even more so. And don't expect that most of your so-called questionable behavior was part of a national (worldwide even?) campus recreational phenomenon will make security any more comfortable with you.

The lesson you should learn from this, is that nobody who you didn't meet at the range needs to know anything about your interests or hobbies. At all. Not only is it not their business, and not only is it advertising valuable property, but firearm owners or knowledgeable people are viewed as even more of a legitimate and open season target than smokers or drug users.

Well, I think my hate of my roommate is one sided. We still get along, but I found him infuriating to an inhuman extent. I can't say that he didn't have my debate responses coming, after all, he did always start those conversations and demand to know.

I'm confused...from the way you spoke about your previous roommate, the pothead, I would gather that you do not smoke pot and are against it. But then there's your THR screen name...?

You are correct in those assumptions that I hate pot. My name comes from a nickname I got on other fora for being direct with others.

What is this humans vs zombies? Is this something in college related to the flash mobs on TV?

I do not keep up with that sort of thing. I sometimes wore camo but again I hunted just like other guys at my school. We never attracted this sort of attention. Other friends played paintball and kept their paintball guns in their dorm rooms.

It is not good to have this many problems starting out in school. It might be better to go to a more hunter friendly school where a lot of folks hunt.

Humans Versus Zombies is a type of tag game. Essentially imagine a zombie movie turned into a game of tag. I love my school, so I'm not really big on transferring.

It's college. College is full of liberal fascists who are by nature gun grabbers. The no guns rule allowed Virginia Tech to become the free-fire zone tragedy it was.

If you were clever you'd keep your trap shut on campus, get your degree, and move on. If you want to exercise your 1st amendment rights that is absolutely fine, but you will be given grief - so suck it up.

HEY! I'm one of those Liberals! I don't go around proclaiming my thoughts about guns, but if someone asks and is interested, then I'm willing to talk.
 
This entire exchange is difficult to read about. It saddens me to realize that this is what our nation has become. We are encouraged to rat out our fellow citizens, while few have the brains to know what it is that could actually threaten our security. We end up calling the police for strange looking coffee grounds left in the trash. People who enjoy shooting and value constitutional rights are marginalized, while dope smokers and group thinkers are fawned over. We end up with the leaders we have. I'm sure the best advise is to keep your head down, especially in settings of emotionalism such as universities. But if we do that, we just give up, letting the fools extend their influence over more and more impressionable young people.
 
^ I thank you for the advice. I of course, refuse to give up. I don't advertise myself as being a gun guy, but if the conversation turns that way, I'll set people straight, or get into an interesting discussion trying.
 
I don't think I would blame campus police. They did their job.
They got a complaint, they had to check it out.
And of course, during an investigation they ask leading questions to see how you react.
The questions themselves aren't important, they were just baiting to see if you're biting.

Go on with life.

This.
 
Ah... What is the name of this school, college, university, (whatever) and where is it located?
Nearly all US colleges have similar policies regarding "concerning" behavior. It covers students, faculty, and staff. It is part of getting their police or public safety department acredidation. Which means more money in grants from the state and federal programs.

I've seen it used because a third party reported that a person screamed, "I want to _____ you like an animal" at somebody. The person reporting it obviously wasn't a Nine Inch Nails fan and missed the reference. To them it was highly disturbing because the screamer read a poem in class that referenced being handcuffed during sex. The third party thought the available evidence meant the screamer might be a violent rapist.

In another incident I know about, a group of Live Action Role Players (LARPers) were questioned and searched because of their "obsession with harnessing magic to harm others." The girl reporting that one was from a very sheltered back ground. She grew up in a fundamentalist religous enviroment and couldn't fathom that these people did this as a game. To her they had to be real magicians and witches.

Welcome to the brave new world.
 
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Well that explains the accent. An ex-girlfriend's mother had hers quite literally wrung out of her by the school she was sent to when she moved here as a kid. Can't hear a trace of it anymore, but it was pretty harsh on her.

I'd also suggest maybe not hating pot, it's an awfully mild thing for someone to get that kind of visceral feeling towards. And an even temperament can't be valued enough.

Disapproval is is perfectly reasonable though.

And I'd still (try) to go out of your way to not engage in discussions about guns, because who brought it up and what was said aren't going to be what gets reported to the cops. It'll be some blissninny overhearing ANY talk about guns who won't 'feel safe' and will report you, and if nothing comes of it (meaning your removal from the school) they will continue to not 'feel safe' and are very much liable to continue reporting you for anything and everything and many things that aren't.

Trust me, anywhere you could be overheard by someone not immediately engaged in conversation is a terrible place to have a talk about guns and shooting in today's world.
 
Security hauled me in yesterday because somebody was making rumors that I "Go to halls where I shouldn't be. Am obsessed with army stuff and guns. Walking around the woods late at night. Talk about learning to track and shoot people. Want to join the British Army."

So apparently, taking a shortcut through my old residence hall is planning a crime. Purchasing and selling camo to people on campus for airsoft, paintball, and Humans Versus Zombies counts as being obsessed with the military. Supporting the second amendment, being knowledgeable about firearms, and not calling guns pure manifest evil is called being obsessed with weaponry. Hiking around the outside perimeter of the road at the end of the day when I've fulfilled the rest of my obligations counts as stalking in the woods. Talking about having practiced for HVZ counts as learning how to hunt and shoot people. Using a British accent instead of constantly shifting between accents counts as reason to suspect that I want to join the British Army.

I then was asked if I was happy here (I truly am), and if there's anything they can help me with. They also asked me if I had any friends and when I said yes, they asked me to name them. When they asked if I have any guns, I answered truthfully that I did not. I then got asked if I ever wanted to own a gun. I answered maybe someday after graduation I'd get myself a bolt action rifle and go to the range maybe once or twice a month. I then got asked why I'd ever want a gun. I made the safest answer I could and said that I was just interested in the sport and historical value. Their response was that shooting isn't a sport. I told them that there are shooting events in the Olympics, so yes there are shooting sports. I had to strongly resist the urge to say that I have a first amendment right to free speech and a fifth amendment right to not be forced to give testimony against myself.

I finally got told that it's an obligation for anyone to report suspicious words or activity to security and that I haven't done anything against the rules, although I was told that they may have to at some point search my room. So far, they have not mentioned anything pertaining to my activity on THR, GRM, or any other website.

I have not gone about talking about weapons and the relevant politics. The topics arose naturally in discussions with my roommate, and once during a class debate.

I got a feeling I know who did it. Strange that I've been moved out of his room for about 2 weeks now and then he files in a security complaint. Yes, this is likely the same guy I was asking for advice about earlier because he was a serious pothead. Imagine if I had turned him in simply because he did nothing for three weeks in September except for get stoned and talk about pot. Anyway for some reason, he suddenly decides that me supporting the second amendment and engaging him in some pretty intense debates about gun politics counts as a symptom of madness. I don't know who submitted the report, but it was probably him.

So far, that's the end of it for all that I know, although I wouldn't be surprised if this flared up again later. I'm not in trouble, although I'm probably being watched.

If you people in IT or Public Safety are reading this, then do rest assured that it's exactly as I said and just a hobby. I have enough respect for laws and policies to obey them. You can search my room all you like and you won't find any contraband.
You might mention that the new Supreme Court justice Kagan thinks shooting clays is a sport.

I might just consult a lawyer about unlawful detention....
 
My aunt attended what is now Goucher prior to WWII. Her room mate was from Kentucky. The room mate's father was concerned about his daughter going to school in the big city so he sent her off to college with a bible, a revolver, and a bottle of bourbon.
 
What keeps you at Goucher? There are many good schools in more gun friendly places that cost less (Unless you have a scholarship). FYI it is very easy to transfer schools and you are in a good one so it would be even easier. Also maybe consider a more gun friendly less oppressive state. I lived just up the road from you in a high rise in towson for 2 years but of the states I have lived in (MD, NJ, PA, NY, WI, MI, AL, NV) I can say I felt I was getting the least back from my tax dollars in MD. But that's just me.... Good luck to you, I hope you decide on law school after this.

EDIT: also for the price of tuition at Goucher you could go to a very good state or even private school and get off campus housing....
 
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I don't advertise myself as being a gun guy, but if the conversation turns that way, I'll set people straight, or get into an interesting discussion trying.

Word of advice: Don't.

Know your environment. It's not firearms friendly. Appear ambivalent about the subject. The same advice would apply to a lot of (future) work places.

Be the Gray Man until you are absolutely sure of your environment and acquaintances. You are currently in anti-gun hell until you graduate.
 
something smells and it isnt a good one. for a relatively new member your a prolific poster. nothing wrong with that. your an 18 year old freshman who started school about 90 days ago. you state in several post that your parents/mom wont let you have a gun and in fact you said you went out that day and bought a "stilleto"...in other post you said because your parents wont let you have a gun you use a crossbow as hd. then it was a steak knife, yet just today in Rifle Country you post that you had to leave you ak47 in the pouring rain in january in a ditch for 4 days?? what? who has to do that? other place you state that you use a "20 in shotty" for self defense...yet another you talk about your last purchase was a g3 semi auto that you then sold in a "private" transfer, then you said it was a johnson 1941.....you wax on about every issue from legal issues to extreme marksmanship and tactics and on and on....and your an 18 yearold new college freshman with parents who sone allow you to own a gun?? you said you got banned from TFL for "political" reasons.........wow...at 17 or 18?? nopw this thread about campus securtiy.....dude...you might seriously reconsider that offer of counseling. you are obviously a very smart, well read and spoken young man this baffles me. Im several decades older than you, and while i may have been born in the dark it wasnt last night. dude, your post just dont add up. whats the deal? i apologize for the spelling, this phone key pad is small and the fingers arent....
 
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^ Got banned from TFL because I complained about the Tea Party people while everyone was Liberal bashing. Apparently, responding with facts buys me a ban. The crossbow was an allowed temp measure under the excuse of being into archery. The steak knife was an improvised weapon. Simply put, I've never kept one arm for too long. Essentially, what I do is that I am more or less going around trying different types of arms, essentially figuring what I like and dislike- what works and doesn't work. In accordance with the law, I've been keeping the things since I was 16, so it's not like I've done this all in 5 months. Sorry if I appear as if things aren't adding up, but I assure you that they are. Thanks for all the responses. Close requested.
 
sure you want the topic closed, its not the first time you have requested that, cause your busted. ak47 in a ditch for 4 days????? g3????......mom is a "bitch" about gun ownership......boy...what has happened here is you let your "alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass" as we said in the Navy. look your a smart kid, thats obvious, im betting you have a great future. your eloguent and a good writer. be what your are when you are....and remember a fox smell its own hole first.
 
I'll play along if it makes you feel better. Here's one thing though: I am a bit bored and I haven't seen my good friends for a while and I also got stuck with having to write a massive number of essays in short succession. 40 pages of literary critique in 3 days anyone? I need to take a break. Other than being a bit exhausted and escapist, things are alright with me. I need to pick up a new hobby because I'm probably starting to drive you all here insane. Rambling time: When I' back home for thanksgiving, I'm going to get a new Xbox 360 since my brother has the only one.

One question, lowerunit411: Are you concerned about me or just trying to get me to shut up?
 
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you: 30 may 2011: Never happening. I'm not even allowed to buy a gun and keep it locked at a range. Here's the conversation.

Me: "Do you mind if I purchase a gun?"
Mother: "No, but you can't keep it in the house."
Me: "Then is it alright if I keep it locked up at a range?"
Mother: "No! You're not having a gun!"

I purchased a stiletto dagger that afternoon.
you today at 11:33 am (you should have been in class):Definitely. The first gun I owned was an AK in 7.62 It never had a single issue no matter what I did to it. I remember once having to leave it in a ditch on a cold January day during a downpour. I came back for its 4 days later, pulled open the bolt, and fired through the drum mag without an issue. The ergos and pretty dang nice; they make sense if you don't treat it like an AR, G3, or any other gun of the sort where you're supposed to operate the thing with your left hand. I'll finish this post after brunch (I haven't eaten in 48 hours).
in july you posted this about the ak47 you "left in a ditch for 4 days":
I loved my AK so much. Granted, the sights were not so great, it weighed a ton with a drum magazine in it, and there wasn't much modding I could do to it. I actually had an accurate AK-103 type, so I purposefully let it shoot high.
july 21st:
Due to parental moaning, I have gotten a crossbow for HD. It is nearly silent and definitely nasty enough to stop someone quickly. Anyway, firing a gun, period, will do some hearing damage. If you fire away over several decades, the damage will accrue, but otherwise, a few rounds once in your life ought to not do anything too severe, although your ears will ring later.
july 23rd:
I'm not at all looking for accuracy. So long as I have fun, hit my target, and learn, I consider that to be enough. I tried the accuracy thing and going for long distance marksmanship is definitely not my game. Skeet, however, is.
ahhh....now your a skeet shooter....cool
on August 4th...probably before classes started, that will be easy to determine, you were "nearly robbed":
Nearly Robbed Today

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Today, I employed some of the situational awareness tactics that you at THR have talked about. They allowed me to escape a dangerous situation.

What happened was that I was practicing tactical awareness of my surroundings. I left a building I had been in for a class and began going back to the car. The car was at the far end of a wide open lot blocked from street view by a combination of hedgerows and trees. As I was crossing, I noticed a man following me from the building exit wearing large, baggy clothes- too big and hot for wearing in the summer at midday. His pocket seemed to hang rather distinctly, as if there was something heavy in there like a gun or a knife. To top it all off, he was going at a fairly moderate pace and wearing shades. I turned on my phone and got ready to hit the 9-1-1 speed dial.

He kept his eyes fixed on me the whole time and made a beeline at me. Since I didn't want to fight (and I wasn't carrying anything, and even if I was, it would have been my last resort), I ran into a garage because he hadn't started following me until I was going down the stairs to leave And therefore, I figured I could lose him. The moment I escaped his line of sight, I sprinted to behind the cars and kept low. Eventually, I made it to a staircase and got up ASAP. I was lucky that I managed to get to my car when I did, because I saw him running towards me from the top of an elevator shaft about a good 40 meters away. I slammed the doors, locked everything, and drove off.

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The point is, that were it not for all the strategies that this section and THR have taught me, I would almost certainly have been robbed or mugged. Thanks for all the advice. I hope I handled this properly.
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im sorry...this is the HIGH ROAD but something stinks..
 
I'll let you believe what you want to believe. It's the internet and you have to take its denizens at their word. I may or may not be telling the truth in any of my posts. You may or may not be someone who knows what they say in the Navy. You're just going to have to take whatever you hear with a grain of salt. For all I know, nobody on the entire forum is telling the truth. Thus, we are at an impasse. I'll hold my narrative and you'll hold your narrative.
 
Well, as I started reading the tread I was in your corner.

However, reading the whole thread, you have absolutely lost all credibility and sympathy here.

Sorry, but you made your bed, now lie in it.
 
Given the odd undercurrent this thread is taking, I wasn't even going to bother to post. But, since I typed this out anyway, what the heck....

There has been a continued near-hysteria on MD campuses on the part of administration and public safety. See the following recent "incident" ... all it takes is a simple phone call to set wheels in motion ...

http://eldersburg.patch.com/articles/suspected-gunman-was-student-with-acting-class-prop

Having taught at a MD college, I'd suggest that threatening the campus with litigation would not go very far - especially without counsel present - and even then administration would likely fall back on their statutory obligations, including the Clery Act. Not saying its right, or even reasonable, just the way the times are...
 
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