Gun buyout: how much wlll the .Gov have to pay?

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Taking the idea that "we should consider the Australian confiscation as a model" how much should the government pay you for your guns? Current retail for used firearms? Or, more likely, an arbitrary figure?

It's part of the national debate now, so if someone brings it up, dollars are the point, how many dollars per gun the debate.

And not to forget that on the one hand we will be reimbursed for our competition 1911's on the one hand, while the CMP sells used 1911's for $750 on the other. That irony is sure to be realized by some policy staffers. Confiscation means immediately closing the CMP and buying the guns back. About the only gun buyback that is grammatically correct and they can trace.

This is why It's Not Going To Happen - the discussion on setting prices on all the diverse guns in our hands is more than enough to implode the whole concept if publicly debated, much less the 5th Amendment concept of reimbursing you for your property taken from you. If the county or state decides to condemn your land for a highway there is a process with appeals to demonstrate their price was tantamount to theft. It would take some heavy handed unConstitutional legislation to subvert that process.

Pricing: $250 per working revolver, $400 for polymer pistol, $600 for metal framed pistol, $400 for wood stocked manual action, ad infinitum. $100 bucks a gun isn't going to be enough - we need to multiply the aggregate by a factor of 4, 10, something.

If the antigunners want to consider their proposed policy to confiscate and reimburse us for our guns, sure, why not! Let's talk money - and when the gummint talks money these days, whats a few billion here or there. $33 billion is just the starting point, add in the usual cost overruns, impose a staff to supervise it with all their VA level travel reimbursments, not to forget the State lawsuits from about 40 Attorneys General citing "unfunded mandates" to accept the guns and handle them.

$33 Billion is going to become $330 billion really quick - and that figure falls into the amount we are already commonly over budget annually. It would easily double that years shortfall. Now we are talking MONEY, right? It would DOUBLE the national debt we owe for that year.

There's your "talk back" point when "that" anti gunner in the office brings it up. Ask them if they will approve higher taxes to pay it, and on what? Because they already won't to cover the excess spending already. Hypocrites.

Do the math and tell them the answer. Help them understand they shouldn't have even brought it up.

It's Not Going To Happen.
 
it's a dangerous tact. you're talking common sense. spending $300B of other people's money is a small price to pay for the hardcore anti-gunners to achieve their goal. they'd say yes instantly. in their heads, they'd justify it by the reduction in medical and other costs from 30,000 fewer murders.

a quick glance at the tax code, the healthcare law, or any other set of laws will show they don't have an aversion to thousands of pages of text. i don't think they'd hesitate to take one of those 6" thick yearly gun value books and just pull the whole thing into the law. we've done the work for them.
 
Man, what a Debie Downer you our already giving Up,Government loves people like you. Conversation perfect for Huffington Post
 
I suspect their idea of "negotiation" at confiscation time will be more like $100 per gun or 10 years in jail.

I don't think that will ever happen in my lifetime but if this country keeps leaning to the leftward something like that may be in our children's future.
 
Not a great idea thinking your Government is giving fair Market value,just as easy to kick your door down.
 
"Confiscation means immediately closing the CMP and buying the guns back. About the only gun buyback that is grammatically correct and they can trace."

What????

Confiscation means give us the guns or we kill you.
 
Don't forget accessories and ammo which will become redundant once the guns are gone. In practise it'll easily double or triple the required sum, all the way up to one trillion or more.
 
The Fifth Amendment provides: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

The issue then becomes whether this is a "taking" within the meaning of the Fifth Amendment. If so, then "just compensation" means fair market value.

If the turn-in is mandatory, then it's a "taking." The "public use" could consist simply in melting the guns down. The government would have to pay fair market value (which would probably be unaffordable, even for the government).

BUT if the turn-in is voluntary, then it's not a "taking" and the government can pay whatever it wants. This is an important distinction.

Edited to add: On the "voluntary" aspect, the government could make it very uncomfortable to keep your guns. For example, Sen. Feinstein had the idea to bring all "assault weapons" under the National Firearms Act. If you had to put your guns in a national registry, and then pay a $5,000 tax (say) whenever you subsequently wanted to sell one, you might just say to heck with it and turn them in for a $500 allowance. Not everyone would do this, of course, but it might make a significant dent in gun ownership. Remember, the gun grabbers are playing a long game.
 
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The "public use" could consist simply in melting the guns down.

As long as there's no shortage of steel from other sources, hardly. "Use" as a definition implies far more than raw material or stocking the taken goods in storage.
 
You all are missing the big opportunity to fill the whatever the most recent "Budget deficit" is.

First, you buy out all gun owners to the tune of between 300-500 billion dollars. Then you create a windfall tax that takes 90% of it back and call it "New revenue". All of that new money can fix the wealth gap in the U.S.

Don't worry about where the money will come from to buy out the guns. It will come out of someone else's pocket.
 
$330 billion is pocket change, of other people's money, to most Democrats and many republicans.
 
Check the history of other countries . Also, if you were a Japanese American in the 1940's, our own country. You under estimate the power of a determined and angry government.
Just the fact a member posted a thread, checking government rate of confiscation, there will be many many ppl that will just fold,relinquish their rights,It would be a whole different outcome if we could stick together. Unfortunately life's to soft and easy ,yes some Bills are hard, some getting or not from sickness,age you still afford a hobby, satellite, smart phone,maybe to many cars or,ex-wives, whatever , We're not as United as we once were,Yes it's by political design.
 
The Australian's didn't confiscate. They bought 'em using the tax payer's money to the tune of $230 million AUD. Real question is why it's called a 'buy back'.
"...$330 billion is pocket change..." Especially when your national debt is measured in trillions.
 
It doesn't matter, they don't have any money that is not taken from us. If they spend more it comes out of our pocket.

Except for what they put on "credit" and someone is going to pay for that as well.
 
The Feds can't even set up a frickin' healthcare website, or conduct an accurate census, or reliably deliver the mail. So how on earth can they implement and enforce a mandatory buyback or outright confiscation of firearms? I don't believe it will ever happen. They're just talking about it right now because the Pantsuit Queen needs
votes in 2016.
 
There is also the fundamental question of how the government can buy back property it never owned?

Its personal property that was paid for with hard earned dollars.....middle finger to them!
 
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