guns from The ghost and the darkness

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Watched the ghost and the darkness last night.

Aside from being an excellent film it has a lot of high points in the firearms area.

But one thing i couldnt place

The sidearm remington was carrying what was it?
 
It was a " Howdow Pistol" carried in the basket with you on top of the elephant when tiger hunting in India. Large bore doubles, both cartridge and muzzle loading. Sometimes the tiger took being hunted very personall and wanted to show his displeasure personally! :what: Tended on occasion to jump into the basket with you. This pistol was to dissuade him from having parts of you for lunch. :evil:

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The book this was based on, "The Maneaters of Tsavo" by J. H. Patterson, is also excelent.
 
Great movie. Makes me want a double rifle too.

And if you are ever at the Field Museum in Chicago...
 
Awesome movie, though I don't know what any of the guns were.

I have been to the Field Museum in Chicago and seen the mounted lions. It is well worth the trip if you ever have the opportunity to go.
 
I watched the movie with walking arsenal and his wife said that the actual lions were male but didn't have manes. I guess male lions often don't have manes. She said the movie got that part wrong. So the lions in Chicago are the actual male lions from the story depicted, complete with no manes.
 
Younger males, often brothers, will sometimes stay together and hunt together until they get big enough to start competing with established males for their own territories and prides. The mane grows bigger as the lion ages and is usually short on younger males. and the area the lion (sub-species?) lives in (desert v. veldt) also plays a part in how big the manes get.

Thanks again Discovery Channel! :D
 
Howdah pistols and double rifles -

how Colonial can you get? It was an excellent movie.

Given that the problem started when the white man decided to build a railroad right through the middle of the lions' turf, the crisis was self-created. Therefore, my wife and I always root for the lions! :what:
 
The single shot that malfunctioned was a Martini-Henry.

I think Pattersons main rifle was Lee Enfield.

As one puriest once corrected me, the "howdah' is actually the hunting perch, not the big pisdtol you carry IN the hunting perch.

I forget who had the big double, Douglas had a double pistol.

Depending on the era, some howdah pistols were single shot and/or flinters.
 
The single shot rifle was actually a Farquahrson. If you look at one and think, "It looks like Ruger borrowed heavily from this for its single shots", you'd be right.

In the book by Patterson, the incident went down as a misfire in one barrel of a double. He hadn't had much experience with doubles, and forgot he had another shot. The lion ran off just about the time it occurred to him.

There was no howdah pistol in the real story.

In the real story, the angry-mob-about-to-kill-him scene wasn't because of the problem with the lions. It was because he had been paying masons by the month to quarry blocks, at a higher rate than the other labor, so (naturally) everybody was a mason. The work wasn't going well, so he started paying per block (per properly cut block, that is), and the "masons" weren't happy. He went down to the quarry one day to see what the problem was, and that's where the mob scene took place.

The failure of the boxcar lion trap happened exactly as in the movie - someone shot through one of the chains on the gate, which caused it to fall.
 
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The lions were maneless males. Seems that maneless male lions are not terribly uncommon, and were more common than usual in that area.
 
The Tsavo lions are a distinct sub-breed and maneless. National Geographic did a thing on them.
 
Never!

"The single shot that malfunctioned was a Martini-Henry."

Never happen! I have one; there's nothing in there complex enough TO fail!

Hey, they worked at Rorke's Drift with no problems, didn't they....... :cool:
 
haven't seen that movie in quite some time. i think i will pick it up for the weekend! and print off the book (on my university of course) and read that.
 
Personally I thought the movie was poorly done to the point of me thinking "Even though this is a true story the movie is dumb."

brad cook
 
"The Tsavo lions are a distinct sub-breed and maneless. National Geographic did a thing on them."

Thanks to all for the update. Someone had told me years ago that the actual lions were female and it made sense to me since they typically do most of the hunting.

Oh well, I am sure the Hollywood folks wanted the biggest and baddest looking villains they could find, hence the big manes in the movie.
 
http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/exhibit_sites/tsavo/default.htm

This link gets you to the Field Museum where the two maneless male lions are on display. There is also a brief rundown of the story.

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