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I am taking a class on HR and have chosen to do my research paper on the issues of CCWing at work. I have a ccw permit and carry at work and would like to use this as an opportunity to deliver some good points supporting the second amendment. I don't want to miss some good points to put in my paper so if any of you would like help out with things I should cover that would be great.
This idea came to me when I was dropping off a package at fedex and on their sign out front it said "no guns on this property"
if anyone would like to be quoted you can email me or pm me with your name and what makes you a creditable.
 
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the assignment was "You should pretend that you have been asked to research this topic for your company. As such, your paper needs to be focused, clear, and succinct".


here is my paper feedback would be great. you may see more errors at the end of the paper as it is 1:00am
 

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I couldn't open your paper, but trust that you made clear the point that one's First Amendment rights are not suspended at the employer's door, so why should any of the others? Employers, by the way, benefit by having a defacto, albeit unpaid, security officer on the premises. You might also want to consider citing the many tragedies that could have been averted had a competent person with a firearm been present---Columbine immediately comes to mind.
 
I read it and it's looking good.

Might mention the Supreme Court case "Warren v DC". This is the case where the Supremes ruled that the police are under no obligation to protect individuals.

I find that most people are shocked to learn that. They assume the police are there to save them and I always love the look on their faces when they learn that isn't the case.

Might mention that somewhere.

Also maybe mention the background checks etc that people with permits have to go through. They are not just handed out to anyone, but to the "most responsible" members of society, that kind of thing.

Good luck :)
 
I wonder...
If there may be a legal challenge to a company with a 'no guns' policy on either the grounds of infringing on constitutional rights, or (more far fetched) since the company in denying the right to carry ergo limits or restricts an individuals ability to defense that said company bears some responsibility for the individual during their passage on the premises to include designated or immediately adjacent parking?
Basically, if Fed Ex or someone bans ALL weapons does a customer have the right to have a security guard escort them to or from their car at night? Or do they have a legal liability if someone just disarmed in order to shop there is mugged on the property?

No no and no, i'm sure... but it'd be funny.

Check out some of the legal challenges to Employers blocking people from having a gun stored legally in their vehicle. The cases that have been successful have had similar arguments to what you're researching.
 
I've often heard the point made that an employer who prohibits firearms on their property would be liable for damages if an attacker was able to harm people unabated.
 
one's First Amendment rights are not suspended at the employer's door
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Well, actually they can be. Keep in mind that the Bill of Rights are a set of rights that the GOVERNMENT is prohibited from infringing upon. Private companies CAN restrict certain of your rights to the extent they interfere with their business or put employees/the business in jeaopardy.

For example, many workplaces have dress codes or uniforms that must be worn. This limits your first amendment right to freely express yourself. Your company may also monitor your phone/e-mail usage and fire you if you misuse it or say something you shouldn't. It is well within a company's rights to control your behavior this way, or fire you...an option the government does not have.

Here in Texas, a bill has been introduced which would make it illegal for employers to prohibit CCW in the workplace (at least the parking lot). My guess is that it won't get signed, but it's on the table.
 
I have made the changes you have sugested posted here does any one have more ideas before I hit print
 

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My suggestions are: focus more on the business aspect of CCW - how does it impact the company? You're not likely to convince anyone with patriotic passionate language, but rather hard figures. Does allowing CCW at work deter crime in any way? Providing information like that will go leaps and bounds further than speak of liberties/rights/background checks, etc.
 
This is a property rights issue. The Bill of Rights is a list of restrictions on what the Federal government may not do such as abridge your right to free speech. It does not give you the right to speak freely in the movie theater.
You have a right to worship freely but you can't preach or sing hymns there either.
It is the same with guns. You can carry it anywhere you want except on private property when the owner says no. I used to work security at a night club and we did not let people in wearing cut off shorts or tank tops. I'm sure that it would violate your "freedom of expression" for the government to impose such a dress code and tell you that you could not wear a tank top, but once inside a privately owned business, the boss is free to make any rules he wants just as you are free to take your business (and money) elsewhere.
 
Sounds like your paper is right on point and very well thought out aside from some spelling errors I think it is a great piece of work. Also as the other poster said you might want to revise it to include the Warren v DC ruling also.
 
The Hospital where I work has a no weapons policy, at work, or even in our cars at work. :mad:

When they are ready to escort me to and from with personal more qualified than I, ........
 
I wish to reply to this question as an employee and a former business owner, I have worked in the restaurant industry for the past 20 years and as most of you know it can be a prime target for robbery and there have also been many instances of " mass shootings" in restaurants over the years. So for those reasons I have carried for most of that time.

I have been a reserve deputy for 15 years simply because my state didn't allow CCW until about ten years ago, so that was my only way to legaly carry. I carry every day, the only time that I dissarm myself is when entering a federal building, I even carry when at church. I will never let myself be at the mercy of another man again (another story).

I believe that concealed carry is just that, and no one that I work with knows that I have a weapon. I have worked at places where my employer had no problem with it, but I have also worked where it was strictly prohibited and would result in termination and possible criminal charges.

As to the business owner aspects, I owned my own restaurant for three years and on two seperate occations I "needed" my carry gun, and thank God that both times just drawing it was enough to end the issue, But on that note my commercial insurance was very clear that it carried no coverage whether comprehensive or liability for any use or storage of a firearm on the premisis, and that any use of a firearm by the owner or an employee would void any coverage, and this is why some businesses do not allow the carry of a firearm on thier property, it is just a fact of protecting themselves against a law suit.

This is this! It's not something else, it's this

Don't pull it if you don't plan to use it, and don't use it if you don't plan to kill![/

Always remember our men and women over there.
 
2nd Amendment rights

My company has chosen to take those rights away from me and not allow any firearms on company property. I am not allowed to had a firearm even in my pick up truck while on company property. Not only that, the company security guard claims to have the right to search your vehicle without a police present or a search warrant.

I work only three days per week, Friday, Saturday,Sunday, 13 and a half hours + per day. I commute 22 miles one direction which means I leave home prior to daylight, return home after dark and enter a dark house. I would like to have a gun with me during the commute and when I enter my home after dark.

Where are my rights in all this?
 
A good argument in favor of RKBA, but it really wasn't written from the perspective of a (fictional) company HR official. Writing about your personal experiences is interesting, but has no place in a business research paper. You need hard evidence -- statistics, laws, and most of all costs. That's what an executive wants to know about.

I assume this is for a business class? You should go into the risks involved with the various policies that HR could enact. Explore the benefits and pitfalls of:

A) No guns at all
B) Guns with CC permit only
C) Guns secured in vehicles

For example, take A) no guns at all policy. Relatively cost-free but has no benefit unless enforced. No case law exists yet to hold an employer liable for the deaths of disarmed employees by the criminal actions of another. If we choose to enforce it, it would cost $X for on-site security guards and metal detectors at building entrances. I would think that's the kind of analysis that you'd put into an HR paper.
 
I work only three days per week, Friday, Saturday,Sunday, 13 and a half hours + per day. I commute 22 miles one direction which means I leave home prior to daylight, return home after dark and enter a dark house. I would like to have a gun with me during the commute and when I enter my home after dark.

Where are my rights in all this?

You have the right to quit and find another job. You are not forced to work at that particular job.
 
A work place is private property just like your home is your sanctuary. And if you prefer that no one walks into your home armed, you have every right to tell them to check their weapons in at the door. I believe businesses have the same right to ban firearms on their property.

I always carry at work and my boss knows it. Personally I'm glad that she thinks we need to be armed and our company doesn't restrict firearms.
 
I'll just point out that I am a Program Director for a Boys Ranch in South Dakota. We cater to troubled teen boys (most of which believe they are real life gangsters).
There is no way I'm letting guns onto the premises. Back in the mid-seventies (before my time here) the boys were given shotguns for bird hunting....a staff was shot at point blank and killed by a boy (not an accident). Since then noone is able to hunt on the 3000 acre ranch (client or townspeople). This really sucks because there are some relly nice pronghorn up here.
 
I read your paper. It is good, it puts the positive aspect of allowing workers to CC, as well has how fast a defensive situation happens into perspective. It still has some gramatical errors that need attending.

Thanks for bringing up the violation of the 1st amendment by disallowing conversation not related to work. At the Walmart I work for they say that any political talk is a violation of company policy. I say that policy is a violation of my 1st amendment right to free speech. As long I say know profanity, I don't see how they should be able to tell me anything.
 
I have 22 years invested here

I have 22 + years invested here at this job, I am 57 years old, My Doctor tells me that she will put me on disability the day I retire. As you might might guess I am not in the best of health. I really like who I work for, I have a great management team above me.
 
The Hospital where I work has a no weapons policy, at work, or even in our cars at work.
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here in Alabama we CURRENTLY have a bill in the house that would protect your right to have a firearm in a locked vehicle while parked in ANY publicly accessible parking lot. Including those controlled by your employer.

HB362

It was last supposed to be discussed on 4-18-09 but I don't know what came of it.
 
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