TallPine
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I'm more concerned about Hillary and her national health care and subsequent SWAT no-knock raids to take me to my "annual" (never had one) physical 
Guns WILL be banned, and banned soon.
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A while back my brother called to complain that the school system where he lived was failing in their responsibility to his children. His kids were facing being held back a year because they can not do the work at a level necessary to be advanced. I asked him a few questions. 1.) how long has his been going on? 2.) how bad are their grades? 3.) what have YOU done about it?
He answered 1.) all year long. 2.) pretty bad, mostly failing 3.) nothing, it is the schools job to teach his kids.
Hello every body, The school system is not there to raise your children. It is the job of the parent to prepare the child to learn and see that the learning happens.
Contrary to popular belief the school system is not out to "brainwash"" your child. They are there to see that your child can pass standardized tests (thanks, no child left behind) before they advance to the next level. A few teachers and administrators have anti-gun views, just as many are firearms enthusiasts.
I speak from the position of a proud parent of a child that will graduate from high school this spring, with honors and scholarships. A child that has already been accepted to the university of their choice. A child that knows her responsibilities and also the responsibilities of the schools that she has attended and the ones she will attend in the future.
Did she get there on her own? No.
Is she a "natural" student? No. she actually suffers a mild learning disabiity.
Is she in some sort of home schooled/private school haven of education? No she goes to public schools.
Well then what is the secret? There is no secret, just an understanding that learning is a process. A process that benefits from family structure, support and gentle assistance. Individual accountability also come into play here but that is generally covered under family structure.
Hiding from the "problem" rarely results in the problem going away. Understanding the problem, looking at all sides of the issue and developing a plan are part of the solution. Implementing the plan, changing the plan as necessary and deciding which "battles" are worth the fight are also part of the solution. Accepting defeat as a temporary set back is part of the solution. Accepting those setbacks with grace and learning from them "priceless"
Imagine if the NRA and other firearm lobby groups had given up after the "Assault Weapons Ban" half of the threads here on The High Road wouldn't exist.
Imagine if Mr. Heller had just said " well I guess I can't have a gun here in D.C."
Imagine if all of the good people that lobbied for concealed carry permits in the 48 states that have them had given up.
Not a pretty sight is it?
If you are worried about guns being banned[edit to add: or the school system that you PAY for is brainwashing your child] DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Not just whining about it to the choir on the internet. Make a plan and work the plan. Learn from the experience and make another plan. Lather rinse and repeat as often a necessary.
Wheeler44
He answered 1.) all year long. 2.) pretty bad, mostly failing 3.) nothing, it is the schools job to teach his kids.
Hello every body, The school system is not there to raise your children. It is the job of the parent to prepare the child to learn and see that the learning happens.
Contrary to popular belief the school system is not out to "brainwash"" your child. They are there to see that your child can pass standardized tests (thanks, no child left behind) before they advance to the next level. A few teachers and administrators have anti-gun views, just as many are firearms enthusiasts.
I speak from the position of a proud parent of a child that will graduate from high school this spring, with honors and scholarships. A child that has already been accepted to the university of their choice. A child that knows her responsibilities and also the responsibilities of the schools that she has attended and the ones she will attend in the future.
Did she get there on her own? No.
Is she a "natural" student? No. she actually suffers a mild learning disabiity.
Is she in some sort of home schooled/private school haven of education? No she goes to public schools.
Well then what is the secret? There is no secret, just an understanding that learning is a process. A process that benefits from family structure, support and gentle assistance. Individual accountability also come into play here but that is generally covered under family structure.
Hiding from the "problem" rarely results in the problem going away. Understanding the problem, looking at all sides of the issue and developing a plan are part of the solution. Implementing the plan, changing the plan as necessary and deciding which "battles" are worth the fight are also part of the solution. Accepting defeat as a temporary set back is part of the solution. Accepting those setbacks with grace and learning from them "priceless"
Imagine if the NRA and other firearm lobby groups had given up after the "Assault Weapons Ban" half of the threads here on The High Road wouldn't exist.
Imagine if Mr. Heller had just said " well I guess I can't have a gun here in D.C."
Imagine if all of the good people that lobbied for concealed carry permits in the 48 states that have them had given up.
Not a pretty sight is it?
If you are worried about guns being banned[edit to add: or the school system that you PAY for is brainwashing your child] DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Not just whining about it to the choir on the internet. Make a plan and work the plan. Learn from the experience and make another plan. Lather rinse and repeat as often a necessary.
Wheeler44
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It seems this is really a call to open action on a second front.
We need to be interacting with the young kids in our lives, teaching them righ from wrong. Just from unjust. And it isn't just firearms either. I really dislike the way schools are teaching tolerance to the degree that kids seem to think it should be against the law to say terribly un-pc things and that "freedom from stuff that might offend you" is one of the 10 amendments of the bill of rights
We need to be interacting with the young kids in our lives, teaching them righ from wrong. Just from unjust. And it isn't just firearms either. I really dislike the way schools are teaching tolerance to the degree that kids seem to think it should be against the law to say terribly un-pc things and that "freedom from stuff that might offend you" is one of the 10 amendments of the bill of rights
41magsnub
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One thing struck me yesterday related to what kids learn in school was I was watching Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom with my "little" from the Big Brother's Big Sister's program. He is 10 and the kids need to have taken hunters safety (must be 12 before the next hunting season to take) so we have done nothing involving guns though he has shot a .22 before with his dad before the divorce.
Out of the blue he said he would never kill somebody in self defense, he would shoot somebody if they were going to kill somebody else, but never in self defense. I asked him why he thinks self defense is so wrong, he said it was wrong to kill to save yourself because killing is wrong. He said this is what his teacher told him (he goes to public schools, not a religious school or anything).
I didn't really know what to say, I'm not his dad and I've only known him for a month so it really isn't my place to have a serious discussion at that level but it was a really weird conversation.
Out of the blue he said he would never kill somebody in self defense, he would shoot somebody if they were going to kill somebody else, but never in self defense. I asked him why he thinks self defense is so wrong, he said it was wrong to kill to save yourself because killing is wrong. He said this is what his teacher told him (he goes to public schools, not a religious school or anything).
I didn't really know what to say, I'm not his dad and I've only known him for a month so it really isn't my place to have a serious discussion at that level but it was a really weird conversation.
ctdonath
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It picks up the ball by letting a self-destructive system self-destruct, and countering by working with alternative systems (and yes, there are alternative systems) that are successful.
Put simply: it's a place where your kind is not wanted - so don't be there.
ctdonath
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It absolutely is your place! You have been entrusted to be a role model, so be one! Especially if another entrusted role model is filling him full of moral depravity!
ctdonath
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Sometimes our own rhetoric blinds us.
Time to remind people: unless you live in one of the few jurisdictions that is truly oppressive (DC, NYC, etc.) you can go buy pretty much whatever firearms you want without any more hindrance than a little paperwork.
I came from NY, allegedly among the most restrictive states. Yeah, there's some stuff I couldn't have ... but I still ended up with an "assault weapon", "sniper rifle", "sawed-off shotgun", and carried concealed in bars - all legally and without concern. Then I moved to GA, where I promptly bought an SBR and stuck a silencer on it, and can walk 3 miles and buy a machinegun - all legally and without concern.
Yes, there is a social movement to reprogram kids in public schools that guns are inherently evil. Between the tens of millions of us actively teaching our kids the contrary, and the many kids who find out for themselves that guns are needed for survival, coupled with the legal sea change toward universal "shall issue" and other legal protections, there is plenty to counter the self-destructive auto-victimization mindset.
My 15 yr old just came home from school ( public school) and I asked him if any teachers have discussed firearms at school.
To my suprise he answered yes.
His advanced algebra teacher has discussed shooting the neighbors dogs that were eating her rabbits and how she and her husband name the deer around her place; Backstrap, Peppersteak and Sausage.
Interestingly enough, I live within 25 miles of the city where the OP attends school. Go figure.
To my suprise he answered yes.
His advanced algebra teacher has discussed shooting the neighbors dogs that were eating her rabbits and how she and her husband name the deer around her place; Backstrap, Peppersteak and Sausage.
Interestingly enough, I live within 25 miles of the city where the OP attends school. Go figure.
ctdonath
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Can you give a link or exact name? A Facebook search on "Concealed Carry Campus" gives 141 groups.
TexasRifleman
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I remember that in about 1970 I was told that "Democrats were for the working man" and then they went on to praise Kennedy.
I can see how the indoctrination works.
Then again, I got in a lot of fights and got sent to a southern military school.
Talk about culture shock! I was issued an M-14, that was for me to drill with, clean and learn the manual of arms.
None of us wanted to kill each other. The gun was an encumberance, a PIA; there was no mystery to it. I liked that better.
Perhaps they should issue rifles in schools?
I can see how the indoctrination works.
Then again, I got in a lot of fights and got sent to a southern military school.
Talk about culture shock! I was issued an M-14, that was for me to drill with, clean and learn the manual of arms.
None of us wanted to kill each other. The gun was an encumberance, a PIA; there was no mystery to it. I liked that better.
Perhaps they should issue rifles in schools?
Thanks for your permission. By the way, how do you know what my public school system is like? I don't remember you and I ever discussing it.
Our school system is outstanding. Guess why? Go ahead, guess!
It might be because when the school board meets to go over the coming year's curriculum the auditorium is filled to fire capacity with parents.
Maybe it's because my neighbor scans through his daughter's textbooks at the beginning of each school year.
Or maybe it's because my wife asked what -exactly- will be covered in 6th grade health class.
Could be because parents stay involved, know what their kids are being taught, and rattle the cage when something's out of line.
A couple of years ago, when a rookie 3rd grade teacher tried to tell my daughter that only the police and military should carry firearms, I insisted on a conference with the Miss Fresh-Outta-College and the school's principal. The principal and I provided her with the guidance she required. (there's a thread about it here on THR.) Maybe incidents like mine that keep the school honest.
Holy Drama Queen, batman!
You said no college for your kids, either. So you intend to "train" them through their early adult college years by isolating them from society? I'd pay $50 to listen in on their first job interview. You might want to consider forming a "Plan B."
For all the tough-guy, freedom-fighter hyberbole on THR, there sure are allot of people a-scared of the public "skool." (Which, by the way, is hilarious, each and every time it's typed!)
Cosmoline
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I wouldn't get too worried. Every effort to force the youth into a set mold has a backlash. I used to be a virulent anti in my high school and college days. The real world has a way of changing such opinions pretty quickly.
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
This is the Oath I took in Baltimore November 1987:
I am no longer an active member of the military, but it is naturally my duty as a citizen of this great nation to continue to safeguard my country. I would expect no less from any one of my American brothers and sisters.
If the politicians elected by the majority are unable to differentiate between unconstitutional and constitutional laws and which SCOTUS refuses to recognize as such because of political incorrectness, it is up to us to safeguard our Constitution.
Law-makers that pass unconstitutional laws obviously have other interests in mind and have no regard for the Constitution and cannot be trusted to perform their duties to protect us. In my opinion they therefore become enemies of the state, which we will be obliged, as Americans, to take the appropriate action in removing them from power and tried for treason.
In short, deny any Constitutional Right by creation of unconstitutional law, and we'll have problems.
In my book, this ain't a threat. I just hope there are others that feel the same. It's our country people, we need to act like it.
This is the Oath I took in Baltimore November 1987:
I am no longer an active member of the military, but it is naturally my duty as a citizen of this great nation to continue to safeguard my country. I would expect no less from any one of my American brothers and sisters.
If the politicians elected by the majority are unable to differentiate between unconstitutional and constitutional laws and which SCOTUS refuses to recognize as such because of political incorrectness, it is up to us to safeguard our Constitution.
Law-makers that pass unconstitutional laws obviously have other interests in mind and have no regard for the Constitution and cannot be trusted to perform their duties to protect us. In my opinion they therefore become enemies of the state, which we will be obliged, as Americans, to take the appropriate action in removing them from power and tried for treason.
In short, deny any Constitutional Right by creation of unconstitutional law, and we'll have problems.
In my book, this ain't a threat. I just hope there are others that feel the same. It's our country people, we need to act like it.
When I went through hunters safety it was in a public middle school. And yes there were guns in the public school while hunters safety was being taught... and amazingly no one was killed.
I am so sick of these liberals and their bag of lies taking the fundamental rights away from the citizens of the United States because they grew up scared or want support from some lefty group.
I won't let it get to me though. Just vote how I vote and live how I live.
Thats my HIGH ROAD.
I am so sick of these liberals and their bag of lies taking the fundamental rights away from the citizens of the United States because they grew up scared or want support from some lefty group.
I won't let it get to me though. Just vote how I vote and live how I live.
Thats my HIGH ROAD.
SSN Vet
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um, I think you need to qualify that statement....
I suspect what you mean by "our schools" is the bastion of liberal indoctrination, union shops called public schools.
Those may be the schools you send your kids to....but not I.
My wife and I make a HUGE sacrifice to send our pups to a private Christian school.
Public schools (like private schools) are a mixed bag, but in general, they are the strongest ace in the deck of the liberal agenda.
THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR
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IllHunter said:
I call it a 'tactical withdrawal'.
I also agree with Javelin.
Ignore them for now. Lead them later.
I call it a 'tactical withdrawal'.
I also agree with Javelin.
Ignore them for now. Lead them later.
EOTechRulesAll
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When I have children I am going to homeschool them because I do not want them around the sort of kids that 99% of modern children are these days. For whatever reason you want to give, most kids are cruddy because parents dropped the ball and let the gov't/society/media/etc, simply brainwash them into useful idiots, hedonists, and various other forms of cruds, creeps, and scum.
I don't want any children I have to be around or deal with what 99% of the children of today are...
I don't want any children I have to be around or deal with what 99% of the children of today are...
It may have changed since I was in high school, but my lessons were taught to me by men who had actually read the constitution.
One of them was an avid gun owner and historian. He made a point of teaching is the history of PA and the constitution.
Another was a social studies teacher who made a point of telling us in no uncertain terms that he would never turn his weapons over and that he'd be the first one in the hills with a rifle if it ever came to that.
He meant it.
I'm a product of the public school system ('99 high school graduate) and I have no complaints.
One of them was an avid gun owner and historian. He made a point of teaching is the history of PA and the constitution.
Another was a social studies teacher who made a point of telling us in no uncertain terms that he would never turn his weapons over and that he'd be the first one in the hills with a rifle if it ever came to that.
He meant it.
I'm a product of the public school system ('99 high school graduate) and I have no complaints.
Cesiumsponge
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Claiming that 99% of our youth today is cruddy is a pretty steep order and self-aggrandizing.
EOTechRulesAll
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Most people are either liberals or neo-cons (or some variation upon those two), and I have no use for the sort of people who hold to such bogus and demonstrably wrong ideologies.
I am for a theocratic paleo-conservative libertarian republic, most people are not...
I want my children to grow up pure in body, mind, sould, and spirit, and I do not want them plagued by apostates, heretics, infidels, and those who will either hurt them emotionally or hurt them physically. They will not be dragged down by this sick society.
None of my sons will ever have to worry about being shaken down for their lunch money since I will either teach them how to cripple somebody in hand-to-hand, or they just will not be in school... I'll probably teach them hand-to-hand regardless, along with close quarters combat.
None of my daughters will ever have to live with being raped since I will teach them everything I know, have my friends teach them what they know, etc, and see that they understand the importance of situational awareness, caution, reasonable paranoia, and being armed...
I plan to army my children and tell them to carry on a daily basis when they are old enough to drive if they are going to be driving off of my property... I can always bail them out of jail and buy a new handgun if they get patted down and caught... No amount of money can get your son un-killed or your daughter un-raped.
Money means nothing to me, it is just a means to an end...
I am for a theocratic paleo-conservative libertarian republic, most people are not...
I want my children to grow up pure in body, mind, sould, and spirit, and I do not want them plagued by apostates, heretics, infidels, and those who will either hurt them emotionally or hurt them physically. They will not be dragged down by this sick society.
None of my sons will ever have to worry about being shaken down for their lunch money since I will either teach them how to cripple somebody in hand-to-hand, or they just will not be in school... I'll probably teach them hand-to-hand regardless, along with close quarters combat.
None of my daughters will ever have to live with being raped since I will teach them everything I know, have my friends teach them what they know, etc, and see that they understand the importance of situational awareness, caution, reasonable paranoia, and being armed...
I plan to army my children and tell them to carry on a daily basis when they are old enough to drive if they are going to be driving off of my property... I can always bail them out of jail and buy a new handgun if they get patted down and caught... No amount of money can get your son un-killed or your daughter un-raped.
Money means nothing to me, it is just a means to an end...
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As a member of "Generation Y", as they're somewhat unoriginally calling us, I can tell you several things I've observed about my generation, although YMMV:
1. Nobody quite knows what to make of us.
2. We differ wildly in nearly every respect (much like previous generations).
3. People have been telling us that we're being brainwashed in one fashion or another for a long time. This, to a greater or lesser degree, is probably true. Mostly, it doesn't take.
4. We have, taken as a whole, almost no respect for authority. This is both good and bad, but among those born post-1980 that I've met, it's almost universal.
5. We're very good at showing authority figures what they want to see, and appearing to accept information at face value. We may be the most deceptive generation in recent history.
6. Like any generation, we have our share of sheep, in various forms. However, we have a multitude of very cynical people. These are people who grew up knowing that their government, and probably half of the adults they were interacting with, were lying to them regularly. These are young people whose b.s. detectors have been developed early.
I agree that schools in many, perhaps even most, places are teaching kids that guns are bad, evil, scary. It can be assumed that a number of my comrades-in-age will take this information, discard it as meaningless, and move on about their business. Some will believe it. Most probably won't even register the information; they're too busy not caring.
I have no idea what kind of leaders my generation will produce. I think we have the capability to field some extraordinary individuals, for these are extraordinary times. It remains to be seen, though.
1. Nobody quite knows what to make of us.
2. We differ wildly in nearly every respect (much like previous generations).
3. People have been telling us that we're being brainwashed in one fashion or another for a long time. This, to a greater or lesser degree, is probably true. Mostly, it doesn't take.
4. We have, taken as a whole, almost no respect for authority. This is both good and bad, but among those born post-1980 that I've met, it's almost universal.
5. We're very good at showing authority figures what they want to see, and appearing to accept information at face value. We may be the most deceptive generation in recent history.
6. Like any generation, we have our share of sheep, in various forms. However, we have a multitude of very cynical people. These are people who grew up knowing that their government, and probably half of the adults they were interacting with, were lying to them regularly. These are young people whose b.s. detectors have been developed early.
I agree that schools in many, perhaps even most, places are teaching kids that guns are bad, evil, scary. It can be assumed that a number of my comrades-in-age will take this information, discard it as meaningless, and move on about their business. Some will believe it. Most probably won't even register the information; they're too busy not caring.
I have no idea what kind of leaders my generation will produce. I think we have the capability to field some extraordinary individuals, for these are extraordinary times. It remains to be seen, though.
madcratebuilder
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It's all the transplanted left wing loony toon Californians, that have made PDX a liberal hot spot. Most native Oregonians are conservative to moderate.
Canada and Australia are sovereign countries, they just show respect to the Crown.
JohnBT
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"it's time for the weekly "Woe is me! They wants ma guns!" thread."
I don't buy it. The sky is not falling. The whining does bother me a bit.
John
I don't buy it. The sky is not falling. The whining does bother me a bit.
John
Actually, if you would note to whom you are replying, I never said that my children would never go to college.
Also, I am not afraid of public schools. However, living in Northern Virginia, I see why the public schools are an evil to be fought. Yes, there are good teachers in the public school. I know this because many of them are my friends.
However, I also know that many of these teachers are not good people- they are misguided idealists who will do what they wish because they know better than you how your children should think. Good intentions does not make a person good. DOING GOOD makes a person good.
And yes, I did use some hyperbole in my statement, but I stand by it. It was in reply to your statement, Colt (note that I have correctly attributed the author):
Because I reject the education system, I am afraid of it; at least, that is, according to you.
However, I have rejected public education AS A WHOLE. Yes, it can be good, but there is no reason to have the government provide education. Government is horrible at providing services. Period. Sometimes they will do it right, but their incentives are not the public's best interest.
As such, I choose not to subject my children to this system.
I can turn this around on you. My finacee and I plan on educating our children because of all the problems we have seen in public education. Why are you so negligent of your children that you will give them to someone else to teach? Are you just trying to get them out of the house so you can do as you please? Is the public school system providing you with a good babysitter so you don't have to deal with them? (Please note this is sarcasm, I know many people are born without such a detector)
If you are satisfied with the inherent problems of a public school system, that is your choice. You, however, then impugned the character of those who have decided it is a failed system and are working outside of the system.
If a vacuum is broken do you just keep turning it on and blowing crap all over your house or do you get a broom and try to find a new vacuum? (Even if the government makes you pay for the broken one)
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