H/D Shotgun--What Gauge?

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I'm really looking into a home defense shotgun. I'm curious what gauge is really adequate. I know that a 12 gauge alley sweeper is what most folks opt for BUT what if your wife is a smallish 63 year old? God forbid she should ever need to use it, the recoil of the 12 gauge would make a follow up shot for her all but impossible. Also older folks have thinner bones and it is conceivable a 12 gauge could break some bones in her shoulder area (hypothetical to be sure).
I'm really thinking about a Remmy 870 in .410 gauge. I think a .410 in the COM from about 10 to 20 feet should get the job done. A .410 slug could inflict a pretty good size hole.
Comments pro or con will be most appreciated. JW
 
410 O.k.

It wouldn't be my first choice, but my circumstances are different than yours. Just stick with heavier shot in the small bores and you should be good to go at in-house ranges.
 
12 Ga but use the low recoil tactical buckshot thats so popular now.

And train. And train.
 
Would this not be a good use for one of those much maligned, totally useless, ridiculously under powered, pistol caliber carbines? Beretta Storm, Ruger PC series, Marlin Camp series etc.? Short, easy to shoulder, light, no real recoil to speak of and easy to place follow up shots with. Maybe add a red dot or trijicon reflex to make it as easy as possible for a novice to put rounds on target. :neener: :rolleyes: Seriously everybody always gets their panties in a wad over these but this sounds like a perfect use for one.

Back on topic though. 12 guage reduced recoil buck with a good recoil pad isn't really that bad at all. I find 20 gauge do to the design of most of the guns to actually be a little sharper as far as recoil goes.

Chris
 
Winchester sells a 2.5" .410 shell with 3 OOO buck or a 3" .410 shell with 5 OOO buck. Nothing to sneeze at.
 
if you're going to buy a gun with a lady in mind, it's worth going straight to the source and ask her what she thinks of the matter.

me, i bought a 20ga mossberg 500 with female shooters in mind. and range restrictions. mostly range restrictions.
 
John,

Best bet is to let her decide what she can handle. First step, if she is not already a reasonably accomplished shooter, is to get some basic lessons to:
1) determine master eye and 'handedness' and make sure they are on the same side
2) determine proper fit requirements for her (mainly length of pull for the stock)
3) impart proper form in mounting and gunhandling
4) practice proper form until it is learned reasonably well (note: no shooting involved so far)

Then locate a variety of guns she can have access to and shoot, starting with lower gauge guns with light loads and working up to larger gauges. Note that proper fit and proper form go a long way to contributing to a shooter's ability to handle recoil, and there is no substitute for experience. Also note that perceived recoil is heavier from lighter weight guns than from heavier ones, all else being equal. In other words, don't start with a lightweight single shot loaded with magnums.

I think a .410 could work for you if that is what she prefers. With buckshot or slug loads it is nothing to sneeze at. But it is still necessary to hit what you shoot at for any load to be effective, and it is quite possible to miss with a shotgun at close range. A shooter needs to be completely comfortable with what they are shooting, and to have enough experience with it that use/manipulation is pretty much instinctive. That can only come with regular practice. She should be willing if not eager to practice with whatever HD gun you both decide on, or else it is less likely to be used effectively in the event it is necessary. If it is uncomfortable to shoot she will not want to practice with it and her skill levels will not be what they need to be.

Larger gauges are likely to be more effective to some degree, though given good hits with a .410 the arguments are likely moot. I'd not worry about it too much if she wants a .410.

Good luck,

lpl/nc
 
Sorry, I can't see less than 20 gauge being enough for home defense. If 20 gauge is too much, and it might be from your description, the prescription of a pistol caliber carbine is the right one. A Ruger PC9 would be quite effective, easy to aim, almost no real recoil, and is short enough for someone of shorter stature.

The link about the 410, I agree with much of what the guy says, other than 410. It just isn't enough too often.

As for feral animials, even a 9mm pistol can take two or three shots for quick dispatch. 20 or 12 gauge does it in one good shot with heavier shot.
 
I've never seen anyone who decries the use of a 410 for defense volunteer to be shot with one to prove how useless it is.

The miniscule 410 has the ME of GI Hardball. At very close range where the shot hits as a semi solid mass there's no lack of moxie.

As for the 28, it duplicates 56 caliber Spencer ballistics. The ghosts of many Confederate soldiers can attest to how effective that was.

Shotguns dump so much energy into a target that even the little ones work at close range. And unless we live in converted bowling alleys and school gyms, HD works out to very short range crisis management.

And, while we're Manly Men and could work a BPS 10 gauge all day long, not all humans are so Blessed. Smaller, frailer people need to protect themselves too.
 
A Remington 20 ga. Youth, either 1100 or 870, or a Browning BPS 20 ga. ladies/youth, a little pricey but sweet and better fitting, if you don't mind a little slower last shot reload. :)
 
I've often remarked here that I wish someone made buckshot in 28 gauge since that seems like a good option to explore here. Much less recoil than a 12 but would still do great for HD.

Given the lack of that, I agree with looking into a pistol cal carbine. There are several good one available in 9mm, .40, and .45 cal.
 
Thank you all for taking the time to write your comments, I really do appreciate all of them.
My wife is not a gun lover but she also realizes that I'm getting old and the very real possibility that she could be left alone in the not too distant future. So she accepts the fact that such a weapon is very necessary.
We live in a small house which means that if she had to defend herself it would be at very close range so I've pretty much decided on a Mossy 500 .410 gauge with youth stocks. I know she won't want to practice often but I will get her out to one of our local ranges so she can get the feel of how it works.
Thanks again for everyone's comments. Regards, John
 
12ga!

Is there any other?
I dispute your theory that you can't make quick follow up shots with a 12ga, even with buckshot or slugs. I've accurately and quickly fired off a full tube of 12ga buck more than once.
 
for an elderly woman, 12 and maybe 20g. would be too hard kicking. i'd opt for 28 or .410 bore. .410 is plenty powerful, with 3-5 .30 caliber (00buck) balls in it...

even for a middle aged person, i wouldn't suggest a 12g. for indoors. too loud, and for the normal house size, unnecesarily large. i'd choose a 20g. if i had to shoot someone inside...

~TMM
 
JamisJocky, Please read my original post, we're talking about a fragile 63 year old Grandmother trying to defend herself.
Granted 12 Gauge is the way to go in most circumstances but the recoil and report from a 12 gauge fired indoors would probably break her shoulder, render her deaf and dazed so a follow up shot more than likely will be out of the question.
Any firearm fired inside your house would produce a tremendous noise but a 12 gauge fired without ear protection would probably rupture your ear drums. Whose going to look for sound supressors when there's a BG rumaging through your house? No one I know. JW
 
That Mossberg .410 sounds like the ideal solution to the problem. Nice short stock and light on the recoil.

Just make sure she gets some range time with it (a shooting vest might help too). Make sure she a has good eye and hearing protection. Start off with regular target/light field loads before moving up to slugs and buckshot.

Heck, she just might start to like bustin' evil orange frisbees and start cashing her Social Security check at the local gun shop to buy ammo. :D :D
 
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