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Ok, so final choice down to two the P229 and the 2000 (these are the CA legal options).

Which do you have experience with, which would you choose? I'm going to apply for a CCW even if it's near impossible here.

If you are strongly of the opinion that I should go G19 or 23 I'll listen to that as well...

Thanks, Greg
 
Whichever you shoot the best. If you shoot them about the same then the P2000 may make more sense as it is some what smaller and lighter for CCW and probably less of an investment these days.

Assuming you are talking 9MM. If .40 then IMO the P229 would be the way to go.
 
That is tough those are all good ones I have lots of time with the P229 R DAK
its a fantastic choice I trusted my life to it very reliable but it may be a bit large for concealed carry, HK is highly respected as well but no experience with them.
The Glocks are well proven as well I really like my G23 I think what fits your hand will be the best will be for you to figure out can't really go wrong with any
you mentioned
 
Forgot to mention, I'm going .40 cal. I have a 1911 and an M92 but I don't own a .40 cal.

Was planning to 9 mm because of the cost of the ammo, but thought that if I was going to have to defend myself/someone else, a little extra punch would be great. I shot a G27 at an IDPA match and did not struggle with the recoil...so...

Thanks guys...
Greg
 
The P2000 will probably be easier to carry. I like my P229, but it's a little chunky. The P2000, from what I remember (I went with the very similar USP Compact instead), is a more slender design.
 
The USP Compact is now 'off list'. Must be LEO to buy in CA. But it is what a friend carries (he bought it before it fell off).

Greg
 
Standard questions- what do you want to use it for? What if you don't get your CCW? Will you carry it anyway? HD? Range toy?

Hard to go wrong with any of them but in order I'd go with either P229 or G19 first, whatever after that. Regarding 9mm vs. .40, there is plenty of evidence demonstrating the punch of the 9mm. I won't open that can here but there are tons of threads on the subject.

Regardless, I wish you luck. CA is not just liberal- it forgets the Constitution altogether. I'm an ex-pat of the formerly golden, now tarnished, state.
 
I like both but only have experience with HK. Based on that, I'd go with the 2000. 229's have a positive history though.

Pick which ever you shoot the best or which ever feels best in your hand.
 
California is weird. The P2000 is virtually the same size as the USPc but has a bit more rounded shape, different grip, and slightly different controls. They even use the same magazines. Anyway, both the P229 and P2000 are quality guns; I do think the HK will be easier to carry than the SIG but outside of that it's down to what you shoot better and what you like better, maybe what trigger system you prefer (LEM or DAK or DA/SA.)
 
id take a walther PPQ before id take a half aluminum sig or an overpriced HK to be honest.. and the CCP is gay delayed so theyre fixed barrel and very accurate.. honestly, neither HK or sig make anything that interest me enough to pay almost 50% more for them
 
FYI, there appear to be three USP Compacts in .40 still on the roster, also two P2000SK's:
 

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Back to the original question. I've got several 9mm guns and a couple of .40 Glocks, a G23gen3 and a G22gen4, as well as other calibers. I sold off my G27gen2.5 years ago. I'm mainly carrying 9mm, lately.

Consider, being in California, you may also be limited to 10-round mags (or you may not depending on one's situation). Therefore, would you want to carry a Glock 23 with only 10-rounds, instead of a G27. Regardless of capacity, the G23 may provide a better grip for some folks. The HK line of firearms may have similar size issues, such as a P2000 vs. a P2000SK.

One thing to consider regarding the Glock 19 is there have been reports of its 10-round version of its magazine as being inconsistent as to its reliability in feeding.

Narrow down your choices and caliber and re-ask the what-to-buy questions. Some people go back and forth over what to buy for over a year, then end up buying something not even considered in their original post.

Me? I'm usually carrying a Glock 19gen3, with 15-round mag, or sometimes a SIG P229R 9mm, also with a 15-round mag (P226 mag with X-Grip floorplate). I said "usually" as I could be carrying any handgun and at a given moment and, actually, not just only one.
 
OP, have you had any range time with either one of these guns? I can honestly tell you that there is not a bad choice to be made between these two guns, but these are pricey and it would be a good idea to shoot these before you buy the one that suits your purposes. If you go get your CCW, I'd give a slight preference to the P2000 with the "V2" LEM trigger variant.
 
Sure, I'll recommend the Glock 23.

Gen4 especially. After a few mods, i's a much nicer fighting pistol IMO. I:
-undercut the trigger guard
-polish up and install a Glock 35 trigger and smooth and round the trigger safety and shoe for a flush feel.
-Lone Wolf 3.5 connector
-Lone Wolf SS guide rod
-Lone Wolf trigger Spring
-Warren Sevigny sights.
-Large Glock beavertail back strap
 
I had the 229...IMHO it's just a little too thick and heavy for CC. But the same can be said for the thick glocks like the 19/23/26/27 ect...

My ultimate CC is my shield. However.com, for a daily carry "I gotta leave it in my car" gun I carry a G2 in a OWB kydex holster with speed clips for the easy on/off aspect of my commute.

But when I want to conceal carry with comfort a pistol that is easily accurate out to 25 yards I carry the shield.
 
Note the paddle mag release of the HK. Some love it, it does give you some options not available with a standard button mag release, but it is different than most other autoloaders.
 
Of those two, I like the HK P2000, but I would seek out the LEM trigger. It is a very workable trigger with a consistent pull. I don't care for the typical DA/SA Sig or HK though. SIG has the DAK which I've never tried, but I have not heard many people really like it.

I own a Glock 19 and would also recommend it. One advantage the HK (or SIG) will have if you CCW is that you can keep your thumb on the hammer when holstering which will let you know if the trigger is somehow hung before the gun goes off by accident. There are techniques and teachings to avoid this, but it is just one more layer of protection offered by a hammer-fired gun. Holstering is probably the most likely time at which you might accidentally shoot yourself, so it's a tangible benefit.
 
Man, that one is a complete toss-up as far as brand and quality. I lean toward an HK because I have had them before. I have never owned a Sig, but I have fired my son's P 220 and like it. Quality is not an issue with either one.
 
Having owned a HK and Sigs---they had "issues" despite the high price-----I'll not buy another of either brand----ok well maybe a Sig 2022

The performance and actual vs perceived quality just doesn't justify the extreme high price. I would have kept them if they were all that. Sadly, they aren't because I really wanted to like them.


Get a Glock and don't look back
 
I have had range time with a 226 and a USP but neither of the compact versions of the gun. Liked both. That's a part of the reason for these two being choices.

In CA in two separate places on the CCW app it says no mods on the gun including but not limited to trigger jobs or lasers...funny state. But that was the main reason the G19/23 landed in 3 place. Having said that two cop friends literally bet their lives on Glocks more often than I am ever likely to...should ask how many mods they have...

I stand corrected on the USPc...I like (from pictures, not holding...) the USPc better. Unfortunately we don't have gun stores like the one I saw in UT or the several near my dad in IN where you can handle 1000 guns at once (LA? SF? Don't make me laugh!)...

My 1911 is my HD gun. I could see getting one of those RFID safes and putting this in it, esp if I do get a CCW. I don't plan on living here forever, but if I don't get one, this will be something for the range...

Thanks again guys,
Greg
 
For Concealed Carry I prefer DA/SA hammer fired over Striker fired purely from a safety standpoint. Do an Internet search using the phrase "Glock Leg" then do one using the phrase "Sig Leg" then make up your own mind.

The HK mag release is obviously different than most common pistols. I personally like the location and function of the Sig decocker vs the HK. If you must be Cali compliant, consider the Sig 239. Slimmer and shorter than the 229 but still a proven design.
 
Good tips guys...thanks.

Never heard of Glock leg, but agree it's carelessness; having said that, I like hammers also.

The HK hammer seems to be a compromise that works. It is 'hidden' but a hammer.

FWIW: I would go with the SA/DA. I know that some say cocking the hammer as your pulling it out is a bad idea (and I have zero experience with CC, so this may be ignorance speaking) but it just seems like a good idea to me. You now have SA trigger and the first shot in the right spot ends the argument...am I wrong? The G guys will say I always have the same trigger pull...so does the guy who has the SA trigger...did I hear someone say 1911? This all indicates the Sig.

As someone above noted, the Sig is less optimal for carry because it has the bump on the left side making it feel like it is sticking out...but lots of guys seem to be doing fine with it.

As I said, thanks for the tips: still willing to learn from you guys...
Greg
 
I have no experience with HK, so I can't comment on that other than to say I've always liked the looks of the P2000 and may have bought one if I didn't already like the SIG. I've had a .40 P229 for about 18 years or so. It is thick, and for that reason I seldom use it as a carry gun unless the weather is right for me to wear clothes that provide a good cover. However, the lightweight frame makes it handy and it is the one that always travels with me as my vehicle gun. The double action trigger is not bad at all. I have had no problems with the transition from the first shot to the single action second shot in practice.
 
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