have you been saved by a safe?

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I haven't had the misfortune of being the target of a burglary, but I recently inherited a good number of firearms, and decided a quality safe was in order. Do a search on this site and you'll find a good number of posts debating the safe v. RSC issue. You'll also find that a1abdj and CB900F have a wealth of information about the topic. I purchased an AMSEC safe from a1abdj several weeks ago, and I'm very pleased with it. I'm not concerned about a ratio, but the safe was slightly less than $2K delivered, and I have about $12K worth of firearms stored in it. You'll find that the common suggestions on this site are to buy a bigger safe than you need (because your collection will grow), and buy the highest quality safe you can afford.
 
In 1999 my home was buglarized and the perps got all my TV's, VCR's, stereo's computer equipment and etc. :fire: What they did not get was my guns which were locked up in my safe. They tried but failed. I thank God I got a gun safe five years prior.:D
I now have a security and video system and have not had any trouble. Had I shown up while they were here, I would have certainly shot them.

I have since retired and am home most of the time, so I keep a good watch on my neighborhood.:cool:
 
M60...

if "Friends do not let friends shoot Nikons", what do they let them shoot??

Canons of course.

Silly.

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tounge in cheek peeps. Nikon makes a fine camera. I just happen to shoot Canon.

-Mark.
 
Those two guys in the video were attacking a safe that they could just tip over, allowing them to use their weight to work on the door. They would not have been able to use that kind of leverage if the safe had remained upright.

It is essential that a RSC be bolted to the wall and floor, preferably to concrete.
 
Fella's;

Regarding the above comment about upright/bolted RSC vs tippable: IMHO it might double the time it took 'em to get in. Gee, 4minutes max, I'm so reassured now.

An RSC is an RSC, and there's just no getting around it. By the time you "harden" an RSC, you might as well have bought the real thing.

900F
 
SaxonPig said:
Any safe is better than no safe. A good safe is best. Forget about hiding guns. They will be found.

Well, that depends... on how and how well they're hidden.

I've taken a different tack. Some safes may be good but they also scream "GUNS IN HERE!" Mostly we've been discussing burglars in under two minutes, etc, but given enough time even the best can be defeated.

Years ago I was talking to a fellow employee and he told me how he hid his hunting rifles by popping his head up into the attic, lifting up the insulation, inserting the rifle underneath (in its case) and laying the insulation back over it.

I thought that was pretty clever so it got me to thinking about other ways to conceal weapons from thievery. Being a bit of a woodworker I've found various ways to build compartments into furniture and cabinetry and walls for hiding rifles, shotguns, handguns and other valuables.

Some techniques can be a simple as screwing a large hook into the upper inside of a bathroom vanity, above the cabinet doors and hanging a handgun by its trigger guard. It can hang there between the sink and the inside-front of the cabinet.

I'll see it I can photograph some of my other methods and post them here.

Years ago, I had a conversion van with a few luxuries including a small TV that hung in the upper rear corner. My wife and I went to a play and while we were there, the van was broken into and stripped of any valuables, including the TV. My revolver was so well hidden that it was still there. The attendant at the pay-parking lot was an apparent accomplice, as he said he say and heard nothing, yet the can was only 30 feet from his shack. He may have been the sole BG and it was obvious when questioned that he was fidgety and lying. Called the police but they refused to come out.

Anyway, bottom line is they will not still anything that they don't know is there.

Ed
 
I promised some pictures yesterday, so here they are.

The first is the end of a cabinet run in the kitchen and the second shows the door open where the bottom of the cabinet has space to hide ammo and weapsons or anything else. The door is held shut with cabinet door magnets and it's pretty stiff. Something thin like a knife or chisel blade is enought to pry it open. I put a sheet of 3/16ths plywood on the bottom so that it could slide out with the contents. Pardon the debris on the floor. The maid comes today.

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The next one is a bathroom vanity. I merely screwed large hooks on the inside above the cabinet door and hang the gun from from the trigger guard. It hangs between the cabinet front and the sink. There is room for two of three handguns in there. The 1911 in this instance is a 1944 Remington Rand.

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Next is a nightstand. In the second shot, the door is open and you're looking at the inner-left wall on the top shelf. Note the small finger-sized hole at the top of the left panel. Insert finger and pull to remove panel and you see what's on the other side. Once again, these panels are help in place by strong cabinet magnets. There is a compartment like this one on the right side too, and the nightstand on my wife's side of the bed has the same setup. That's Springfield Armory 1911 with McCormack 10-round mags, BTW.

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The one below is (was) a sofa tabe (legs shortened) that I added a false bottom to it. I used cabinet grade plywood to make it look original. I hinged one end and used two slide bolts (one on each side) to hold up the other end in the closed position. I then cut a trapezoidal piece of the same plywood to cover the end and it is held in place with (once again) kitchen magnets. A sharp rap on one end of trapezoidal piece dislodges the cover and you can slide the bolts to lower the bottom revealing the last picture. Great place for rifles. It's holding two Marlins and a pump shotgun.

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I built this bookcase some years back and the bottom contains compartment that has no firearms but does have other valuables. You just pull the bookcase away from the wall and and unscrew a board from the back and it reveals the contents.

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This last one shows the end of a long storage closet. I didn't remove all the junk off the shelves for sake of time but in those shelves are about four (I think) rifles. when I built the shelves, I made a false wall that runs from the bottom of the top shelf down to the top of the bottom shelf. There are three shelves but you can only see the top two in the picture. All you have to do (after removing the junk) is to pull the top shelf toward you about four inches and then peer down the back of the top shelf into the gap. You will see rifles aimes at your head, which is an excellent time to have them unloaded. When I built the shelves, I added a piece of 1/2 inch plywood parallel to the rear wall, built the shelves in front, sanded it down and painted it all the same color as the rest of the closet. I had several people come in an inspect before I all the debris was put in place and nobody coulf tell there was a compartment there. With all the stuff in place, it's even harder.

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Hope this helps give some ideas and if anyone has more ideas, I'd like to hear them.

Ed
 
Fish828 said:
oh my god. edrice. i am quite envious and i would say that you are prepared for any situation that might present itself.

Yeah, but then the house could burn down and it will have been all for nought. :what:

I've been burgled several times in the way past (not at my present location) and it does not feel good. Fortunately, no firearms were taken and I don't want the to ever happen in the worst way.

Ed
 
My guns are all inexpensive. Other than the regret I might feel, I'm not that worried about them being stolen. I have a stack-on locking cabinet in my basement that keeps little hands away from them. On the other hand, I have a guitar collection that simply won't fit in a safe that would be nice to protect... I guess I'm relying on Insurance for that. :/ I guess what I'm saying is that there are way more expensive things in my house to steal than the guns. Once they see my guitars, computers, cameras, etc. They may just run away without even looking for the guns.
 
edrice, i have been toying with the idea of using furniture to hide my handguns. you gave me some great ideas. thanks for sharing.
 
i have thought of are using hidden hinges and magnetic latches on a false back wall in a walk in closet. tape, float, texture and paint to match. enough room to have gun racks,shelves, or safe/rsc behind the wall. the only catch is the place in my house where i would do this is the closet in the master bathroom...which is too humid for my collection. this brought me to think of furniture.

another idea i had works well if your building a new house. select a floor plan with dead space. above the dead space put an attic door. then put an attic door as far from hidden door as possible. you now have a room you can only access from the attic. if your really paranoid you can use cinder blocks in the room and add a phone line and electricity. you have a safe room for hiding yourself or firearms.

im not creative enough to think of smaller and easier things...
 
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