Help the Disabled, errr, ummm .. (my wife)

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My wife has RA. She cannot rack a slide in any handgun we've tested. I bought her a S&W Chief 60, and she can fire it fairly well, but only in SA mode. She doesn't have the finger strength to use any handgun as DA. I thought that perhaps a Beretta Tomcat might work, by loading a magazine, the tipping the barrel up, loading one in by hand, then going SA for the first shot, then using the remainder as DA. I just heard that the trigger pull is hard on a Tomcat, even after the first shot.

Any suggestions as to a weapon that she might be able to use, enjoy, and carry for self-defense ... (the carry takes away the idea of reducing the trigger pull, at least in CA.... I was told that no mods to trigger pull on a CCW were allowable.

Any help available?

(I know....get her a 14 ga defender style, and tell her to stay home...)

She has grown up and shot plenty when she was younger. This Rheumatoid Arthritis is kickin her butt lately, and I would like to help her by finding her the right handgun for the hand problem.
 
(the carry takes away the idea of reducing the trigger pull, at least in CA.... I was told that no mods to trigger pull on a CCW were allowable.

Is that true ? Info from those more up to date on CA law would be interesting. I took a look ( though admittedly not in great detail ) at the California handgun laws, and I wasn't able to find any such law.

I do know about the 'approved' firearms list.. does this apply somehow that a gun can't be modified from its approved factory condition ? Or is this a misconception ?

EDIT:
I did find this info on the FAQ page of CaliforniaConcealedCarry.com

Are there restrictions on what type of firearm I can carry?
Firearms carried pursuant to a CCW should ideally be on the Attorney General’s approved list, though this is not mandatory. Go with a standard firearm from an established manufacturer. Many departments will not allow any modifications except for changing grips. This includes trigger jobs and no laser sights, unless you know in advance that the department is happy with them (many are not).


So.. I guess that's a County based thing.. and not a state law ?
 
Let me see here.

Wasnt there a weapon recently proposed to the FDA for approval to be kept and used by Bedridden Medical patients to defend thier life against those that will take it?

If I recall correctly that was a very short 9mm one shotter sitting in the palm requiring a grip sort to fire.

Im going to have to dive back into the computer's backup and search for it.

In the mean time, try the lightest, smallest gun you can find, hopefully an auto so that she can empty it into the BG.
 
Soft as in reduced recoil?

Or trigger pull?

Why not hang a postal scale on her finger measure the pull she can generate and have the gunsmith alter a gun she LIKES to the pull that she can handle?

Im thinking her gun must never be dropped after the smith gets through with the trigger pull setting.
 
My experience with folks with RA and other physical limits.


I do recommend the Beretta Tip Ups as these are proven to work, Older S&W Model 10s , snub nose, with butter smooth actions I recommend.

Bone Stock 1911s work very well. I say bone stock, the main feature is NOT having a FLGR (full length guide rod), and using USGI/Colt 7 round mags with dimple follower.


Still most ladies find the Colt Combat Commander easy to conceal carry, and shoot.
To "rack" shove the muzzle against anything.
Single action trigger is easy to reach, and to pull.
The weight of gun to payload lessens felt recoil. I recommend 185 gr Win STHP if she is having a bad day.
This load lessons felt recoil even more, and IMO the Win STHP feeds in any gun I have and others have used.


Back to the Beretta, if you can find the larger .380 for her to try, please do.
Sometimes, RA folks can rack that one better than a Tomcat, simply because it is bigger, and more to hold onto.
Then again 86 FS Cheetah has the tip up barrel.

-Web of shooting hand "shoves" back of gun at grip "into" other hand holding the slide.
Bigger gun, more to get ahold onto.

Felt recoil is really mild, and this gun is extremely accurate and easy to shoot.

Sending best...
 
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Here is another question.

Is she on Oxygen? Is she gonna set something on fire when discharging that weapon?

Just a thought.

The +1 goes to the Colt Combat Commander. That is one of the guns I almost bought myself, it was particularly easy to rack.
 
Well, there used to be a very old Civil War rig I recall seeing from time to time.

It snapped into a Navy .44 BP weapon revolver essentially becoming a shoulder stock. The only problem then is trigger pull. It basically became a small rifle or carbine... sort of basterdized with that big shoulder stock pegged into it.

Then have something like that put on a gun she likes and get a PAST recoil pad like the one I wear in my video. Wife also wears a recoil pad due to bone loss. Fortunately she still is able to handle and fire a weapon on target every time safely.... for now.

If all else fails, get her a Taser C2.

Fry the BG and get 911 on the line.
 
HEY sm ..... THANX, but btw

I checked the approved for California list, and, of course, the 86 FS Cheetah is not on it. We have the 84 FS Cheetah, the 85 FS Cheetah, the 87 FS Cheetah, but NO 86. Are the 84,85, or 87 tip-ups? And as suited as the 86 might be? Thanks in advance. A lot of nice folks on this forum trying to help. I appreciate it, believe me.
Fred
 
What about a short-barreled Ruger Blackhawk in .357? It's a single action revolver. Load it with .38's and it should be fine for her, assuming she can cock the hammer.
 
Seagull, you make me laugh....lol

Like I said, I'll get her a Remington 14 Ga pump, and tell her to stay home and watch the place, while I go to the range.

YEAH! RIGHT!


No, we're not giving up on the pistol. I forgot about 'muzzle' pushing to rack. I think one has to be correct in the choice of weapons, and there is still the trigger pull issue. In CA, we take the heat for all of the other states, almost. No this, no that, pretty soon it will be a 3 shot magazine for your P226.
 
Mike the Wolf....Hi, and thanks for the input/

WE have a .357....it hurts her hand-severely. read the thread. I am trying to get her an auto she can rack. sm is on the right track, I think. I want to thank all for the help. I'm relentless. I'll find her the right weapon. I'll find her the right weapon. Remember, fit, feel, comfort, ability, etc?? Its there. It just needs finding!
 
Yes, but that's a J-frame .357. And you didn't say whether or not you downgraded to .38's or not. Not all .357's or .38's will necessarily hurt her. The J-frame is particularly bad because you can't use all your fingers, which is why I suggested a full-size revolver which uses a K-frame. The added mass will also reduce recoil.

Note that you can always get some moon clips and downgrade further to .380 ACP.
 
With a 1911 she most likely wont be able to rack the slide, but the single action trigger pull is second to none. If you were to load her up a full mag, chamber a round and throw the safety on she would have a good weapon with one of the lightest stock trigger pulls. Would even be better if it was a CC sized gun. If you don't like that idea I would look into a small .38spl with a custom trigger job and maybe some lighter springs. Good luck with whatever you decide!
 
Hmm...Ruger LCP/KelTec P3AT? I'm trying to think of guns that are easy to rack.

You know honestly, in a defensive situation the gun isn't gonna be racked unless it jams.

My CZ 75 is *really* easy to rack but big and heavy.
 
MIKE...

in CA, you have to use the ammo listed on the barrel to qualify for ccw. The S&W Chief shoots .38s fine, but when we got to the course, she was told that, no, it HAS to be .357 mags.

We are trying to find a weapon that she can use to qualify for a CC permit. A .357 won't do it. We are actually OK with the J-frame using .38's, but it won't work for getting a CCW permit. I'm trying to find something that will. sm has the Tomcat mentioned, and although its HARRRRD to find one in CA, I think that might be the plan .... but I DID hear that they have a hard trigger pull???

Its just going to take sme research.

Thanks,F
 
The Beretta is a good option, just try to find the .32 I have one in .25, BUG. Trigger pull is fine(light), just not really a good SD caliber. Not sure that it comes in .380 definitely not in 9mm. I saw them new a month ago for about $550!!!:what:, but you can still find them used for a lot less. Very accurate too, I was able to group very nicely at 40ft as a beginner with mine. Also look around, there are others out there that have the tip up barrel.
 
Has to be .357's? That's nice. A pity you don't reload, or you could solve that problem real quick with some dead loads in .357 cases.

You could try a Ruger P89. It's hard to rack the slide, but once it's racked you don't need to do it again. The double action is extremely light. Even I was surprised at how light it was, as it put the revolvers I've fired to shame. It's very reliable and will eat just about anything you feed it. The single action trigger is long, but light. It's a big heavy-frame 9mm. Low recoil.
 
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Some pretty good ideas thrown out so far and most if not all have merit - not always easy to pick the right one, but they are good things to look at and try.

I will add one. Both Taurus and Smith & Wesson made a lightweight snub nose revolver in .32 H&R Magnum. I carry one of the Tuarus versions and I am not saying it will fit the need, but I am saying you might want to look at it.
They come with rubber grips, and the recoil is significantly less than a .38Spl , and can be reduced even more by shooting the .32 S&W Long in them. They are easy on the hands, and yet carry about the same energy as a standard .38 Spl. with the magnum ammo in them.

Now as to cocking and trigger pull : With the center fire gun these guns function well with reduced power Wolff spring kits. This makes for a lighter single and double action pull with only changing the springs, and they are still reliable shooters .

If the double action pull is still too difficult, try shooting single action . They give about as light a SA pull as you can get in a handgun. If cocking the hammer is a problem, do what I did for my 80+ year old aunt with arthritic hands, and modify a rifle hammer estension to fit the hammer of the revolver. (do not buy the shrouded hammer version of the S&W obviously if you want this option)
 
Beretta 86 (tip up barrel .380) is best so far, providing she can pull the trigger thru that first DA shot.

Otherwise, a Ruger .22 auto might be worthy of consideration. Holds 10+1 of Stingers, has an easy bolt to pull back with a light trigger pull. Browning Buckmark, same thing.

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fatfreddiescat,

If for some reason you should find a handgun that works, but only if you need to replace some springs or other trigger work, consult a lawyer. You can ask the NRA to recommend a 2nd ammendment friendly lawyer. I bet that you could successfully challange the "Many departments [who] will not allow any modifications" with the Americans with Disabilities Act. Many people do not realize how powerful the ADA is. Judges have proven to be more than willing to smack down anyone (including the federal government) in violation of the ADA.
 
Re: California approved.
<expletives>

Goofy road ticks have more common sense than these CA legislators.
I guess that is why they rig the voting machines in CA.
*whups*
Was I being tacky?
Darn right I was.

Here is the Beretta site that might assist.
https://www.berettausa.com/e2wShopp...9&parentLink=2100000084:3100001364:3100001369

Re: 1911s again.
These are easy to rack the slide on, and easy to shoot. These are one of five gun platforms that fit over 90% of all hands.

I am speaking of a 1911 as JMB designed the thing.
Not a modern marketing discombobulation with duck butts, fuzzy dice, curb feelers, and whatever else they have come up with .

That FLGR does not even make good hinge pin for a gate often times...

Ladies are built different than guys, in case some guys have not noticed.
The Commander and Full Size are the only ones I recommend. I do not do Officers, and I do not do "short stuff" 1911 clones.

Concealing the Commander and Full is "almost" the same. The grip is the same, still since girls are built different than guys, the shorter slide of the Commander is more comfy.

Men have different body shapes too, and this Commander works for guys well.
Heck- I carried a Colt, Steel, Combat Commander forever. I miss those guns...

I come up before The Great Equipment Race. There was no FLGRs back in the day.

I started handguns at age 3, rifles at age 4, shotguns at age 5.
Age 6 I shot the 1911.
Gov't model of 1911, not some gussied up, red lipstick, clone as we have today.

Six years old, and I could rack that slide. I could do the trigger pull too.
It was better for me, to shove that gun against the post, to rack it.

Seriously, with a mag loaded with dummy rounds, make the gun hot, make the gun safe, at age six.
Then with live Army Issue Hardball.

But, I did better with the 200 gr loads that folks reloaded up. I mean the 1911 was designed originally for 200 gr, but the Military wanted 230 grains.

You mess with one something on a gun design, it will affect other things, Domino effect.

Too many ladies, over my lifetime, including those with RA, amputations, and Polio victims could run a 1911.

Re: .22 semi auto

Yep, a viable option. Again all my life there have been reasons why a person could not do a centerfire.
NO Recoil Orders being a big reason.
Detached retina, neck, back surgery, hand wrist surgery, and other reasons.

RA and Osteo too.
Osteo will get so bad, that if someone shuts a door too hard, they could break their back.
My aunt, stepped out of bed, and broke her foot.
Another lady, broke her wrist, shutting the door.

Doctors and Physical Therapist have a good reason to issue NO Recoil Orders.

I wish I still had mine...S&W 422 , with a 4" bbl.
These guns are almost too light.
One will forget they are carrying one. I used this gun a lot with new shooters, from kids to elderly.

Elderly with RA, Osteo, and those with back, and hip problems for example.
One has to keep in mind, carrying the darn gun, and for some, with physical limits, not only is shooting a concern, also how to carry the darn gun.

This S&W semi auto is available in 4" and 6" , the gun is steel and aluminum, and 422 is blue, 622 is steel.
The 4" is again that light, almost too light, still that gun is easy to carry.

Easy to rack, super easy to take down.
Like I said, I miss mine.

This lady, like many others with RA, and other physical limits , really need to shoot a variety of guns, and my experience has been , the Older guns offer more viable options.

Again the older revolvers are just smoother.
Older guns did not have all this lawyer stuff, and gussied up like a pig with lipstick.

Find a bone stock 1911, stick some 185 grainers in it, and folks with RA and other problems can run the gun and shoot it well.

I do not suggest a J frame S&W
I recommend a K frame instead.

I do suggest a D frame Colt, such as Colt Detective Special.
Carries like a J frame, shoots like a K frame.

Load a dedicated .38spl with Speer Plastic Training bullets. These are primer only, re usable plastic bullets.
These are serious training bullets, and are a lot of fun!

Then work up a light target load.
Standard Pressure rounds are all that are needed. 148 gr wad cutters are mild recoil.
I like to personally use a standard pressure 158 gr LSWC for carry, and so do a lot of ladies once they shoot this load.
Guys too...
Just folks around here know whom I chose to assist ....


1911
BHP
K frame
D frame
Beretta Tip ups (I include all tip ups under this category)

These five platforms , will fit over 90% of all hands.

That list is a old one and we knew this before many guns today, come to be.
Long before Glock, for instance, even before Ruger SP101 series...

Some things just "are" and stand the test of time.

Sending best this lady finds what works for her.
Applies to others with RA and Physical Limits and paying attention to this thread.
 
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