Hi-Cap .357 Smith & Wessons
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Jonah71
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Thanks a lot GrandmasterB for that pic. Now I'm probably going to spend more $ that would be better used on something else......and it's all your fault!
Jonah71
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Never mind.....you're off the hook for now. I just looked up the going price, and even with my tax refund I'd have to wait awhile to afford it. Unless I sell one of my other......!#%#@!
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I understand many of these guns work, but what about durability? Do hi-cap .357s stay in time as long as 6-shot revolvers? How difficult are they to come by?
I'd like to have an 8-shot N-frame 4-inch, but I've never seen one floating around in a gun shop. I have seen a few Taurus revolvers, but I just don't want to pay those kinds of prices for a non-S&W or a non-Ruger.
I'd like to have an 8-shot N-frame 4-inch, but I've never seen one floating around in a gun shop. I have seen a few Taurus revolvers, but I just don't want to pay those kinds of prices for a non-S&W or a non-Ruger.
Ever since I saw an 8 shot .357 S&W revolver in the mid 80s, it was one of my all time dream gun's. Now I'm on my third one.
My favorite is my S&W 327 R8 (TRR8) M&P. What a well balanced 8 shot (High cap) .357 revolver.
And I can say "High Cap" all I want, because is there any other higher cap .357 revolver? Am I supposed to call my 5 shooter a "Low Cap"?
High Cap, High Cap, and High Cap!
My favorite is my S&W 327 R8 (TRR8) M&P. What a well balanced 8 shot (High cap) .357 revolver.
And I can say "High Cap" all I want, because is there any other higher cap .357 revolver? Am I supposed to call my 5 shooter a "Low Cap"?
High Cap, High Cap, and High Cap!
Steve_NEPhila
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The 327 comes in an M&P R8 or the TRR8 model, they are not the same.
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Eightball
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You can also call an AR15 an "Assault Rifle", but you're still incorrect.
Revolvers do not have an inherent "high" or "low" capacity. They have a designed capacity for whichever cartridge. As has been pointed out, for box-mag loaded firearms, there is a "designed" capacity, and then "high(er) capacity" magazines. This is not the case with your revolver, and you're just feeding into the anti-gun agenda by adopting an egregious term that they slapped on firearms to make them sound evil--and thus, bannable.
Now, in relative terms, an 8-shot 327 has a higher capacity than my 620, because it can accept 1 additional round in the cylinder....but it was still designed to have 8 shots, and there is no "improving" or increasing on the capacity of the original design. The exceptions to this would seem to be the 617 series .22lr revolvers, which had a 6-shot capacity, and now come in 10-shot versions.
the M327 (N-frame) 8-shot revolver is a modification of the M27 6-shot, which is a 33% increase, why would this not be an increase of the original design? surly you're not saying that the change in frame material changed the original design from the M27.
the M620 is based on the L-frame, which was also originally designed with a 6 round cylinder...the increase in cylinder capacity to 7 shots is a basically change in cylinder and hand...just like the change in the M17 6 rounds to the M617's 10 rounds, which is a 66% increase
nalioth
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"6 shots in a revolver" was a design decision based on limitations in materials technologies at the time of their design inception.9mmepiphany said:
By your logic, we should still be defending ourselves with bronze knives and swords.
which by definition makes it the original design
i can't even conceive of where this train of thought came from.
my logic is simple pointing out that more bullets in the cylinder than in the original design is an "increase" of the original capacity. the logic is applied to use of the language
amd6547
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While "higher capacity" revolvers are all well and good, I am perfectly satisfied with 6 rounds of 357mag in my S&W 686...Particularly since I got it for a bargain price.
I had, up until a week ago, a 2 1/2" barrel S&W 686 Plus (7 Shot) .357 Mag. Nice little shooter, accurate and sat perfectly balanced in my hand. I carried inside the front pocket of my trousers, but it always sat a little high, so I had to go around with shirt untucked. And that gun is no pocket pistol, it's too heavy, even though I carried it for two years. I don't like carrying IWB, so the answer was a better tool for the job.
I traded it for a S&W 642 and feel much lighter. I went from .357 to .38 Special Plus P and don't feel under-armed at all.
My 686 had the dreaded lock, but it was easily one of the slickest Smith's I have owned to date, nice trigger on that piece. There were none to be found on local dealer's shelves except for one new 686+ that had been gouged by some idiot customer "just lookin'". My dealer ordered a new pristine piece for me from his distributor with no problem.
I'll miss that nice 686-a great gun-but when funds are low and you need a better gun, you make the choice and go for a trade. I'm looking for a 686 4-incher as a range gun next.
I traded it for a S&W 642 and feel much lighter. I went from .357 to .38 Special Plus P and don't feel under-armed at all.
My 686 had the dreaded lock, but it was easily one of the slickest Smith's I have owned to date, nice trigger on that piece. There were none to be found on local dealer's shelves except for one new 686+ that had been gouged by some idiot customer "just lookin'". My dealer ordered a new pristine piece for me from his distributor with no problem.
I'll miss that nice 686-a great gun-but when funds are low and you need a better gun, you make the choice and go for a trade. I'm looking for a 686 4-incher as a range gun next.
nalioth
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Smith and Wesson invented these revolvers. They are the last word in what capacity they're designed to hold.0mmepiphany said:
Are you saying that S&W are to be treated like any old 'smith when they improve their revolvers (with the application of the "hi-cap" label)?
Do you honestly think that if the materials technology at the time of the original 6 shot centerfire .357 revolver were available, we'd not have seen 7 (or more) shots per cylinder at that time? The aim of the .357 was to "give the LEO more firepower" - do you not think the law enforcement of the time would have welcomed a 7 (or more) shot .357 Magnum?
It's not any of our places to label any factory designed gun with the antigun term "hi-cap" - ever. Doing so just validates the anti's position.
you've obviously completely missed my point or just didn't read the preceding posts
i was addressing the statement that 8 shots wasn't an increase over 6 shots.
what are you reading?
where did i use the term "hi-cap?"
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Yes, I totally own the "R8", so I guess I should know that
, but people including a range masters on Monday called my R8 an TRR8, as did some gun mag article.
Not everybody knows what an R8 is, but they usually know what a TRR8 is. I was just trying to simplify things for people that are less knowledgeable as you.
Actually, my gun is a "Tactical railed revolver x8"! Yes, I know about the removable rail, and mine is molded into the shroud, but thanks for clarifying that.
Compared to what? I don't see any 4 shot .357s, or do I see a 9 or more shot .357 revolvers.
High cap high cap high cap
Yes, I totally own the "R8", so I guess I should know that
, but people including a range masters on Monday called my R8 an TRR8, as did some gun mag article.Not everybody knows what an R8 is, but they usually know what a TRR8 is. I was just trying to simplify things for people that are less knowledgeable as you.
Actually, my gun is a "Tactical railed revolver x8"! Yes, I know about the removable rail, and mine is molded into the shroud, but thanks for clarifying that.
Compared to what? I don't see any 4 shot .357s, or do I see a 9 or more shot .357 revolvers.
High cap high cap high cap
71Commander
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Cocked & Locked. I do believe that you have a "Blood Works" gun. If you ever want to sell it, let me know.
My 627 set up for ICORE.
My 627 set up for ICORE.
Cocked & Locked
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Yep...thanks to Clint Eastwood, that's the nick name for them! I've got the DVD too.
Here it is in the Saturday & Sunday holster I have for it.
As compared to Monday- Friday holster.
Cocked & Locked
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Side rails on the front sight? hmmm...not certain what you are referring to. The front sight is dovetailed onto the barrel like the rear sight on a 1911 auto. Perhaps you are seeing the base of the dovetail on the front sight? That's black like the sight. Is that what you mean?
Weight empty is 36.7ounces.
Cocked & Locked
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I think what you are referring to is the base of the front sight. It is dovetailed into the barrel like the rear sight on a 1911 is dovetailed into the frame. Is that what you mean?
Weight empty is 36.7 ounces.
Duh...Sorry, I double posted
Weight empty is 36.7 ounces.
Duh...Sorry, I double posted
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i think what you're seeing is the front sight base...it's just the angle that makes it look like "fins"...at least that's all i see
71Commander
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That's the base of the front sight. The base is wider that the sight blade.
Cocked & Locked
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Correct...what you're seeing is the base of the front sight. They are not really like fins that stick up. Maybe you can get a better perspective in this pic.
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