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I've read alot of information on here thus far, but now what i'm looking for is an objective view on hi-point carbines. the price and caliber choices do indeed interest me, but what i'm looking for, is this weapon a functional accurate weapon? i couldn't care less about the looks, i want to know how it performs before i go out and buy one.
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The one my father has is 100% reliable. He's fed it +P+ 9MM ammo, range ammo, and reloaded ammo and it functions without a problem. Price cannot be beat: He picked his up for 160 bucks brand new.

Problems: lack of high-capacity magazines, there are some out there now that are 15 round single stacks. They don't really feed that well.
Difficult to take apart and clean.

Ummm, that's about it.

If you are looking for something different, this is a nice rifle. Another alternative is the Kel-Tec SUB 2000 rifle. This is also a pistol caliber carbine that can take High Capacity magazines (Like the Glock 18 33 rounder!), and folds in half for easy carrying or storage (it cannot be fired while folded). Price is 300-350, not bad.
The Beretta Storm, is much like the Hi-Point, only 700-800 and not worth it in my humble opinion.
 
You must not have read very well. As Doc2005 mentioned, there are plenty of threads on the subject, and not all of the posts are about how ugly it is. As an owner, I've read many of them, to see what others think, compared to my own opinions. When it comes to functioning -- as opposed to functionality, a distinction I'll elaborate on below -- I think there is a good consensus that this gun functions extremely well. Whereas the hipoint handguns are often ripped, not just on looks, but on reliability, I've heard or read few complaints about the carbine's reliability, and much praise. Add my voice to that chorus. With the standard mags -- the 15 round addons are jammomatics -- it is very reliable. It is as accurate as I can shoot it. All in all, a good, reliable, fun gun.

But to me, functionality means something different, i.e. having to do with its suitability for a given purpose. What is it going to be used for? The key thing is to remember that it is shooting a handgun cartridge, not a rifle cartridge. In 9mm (what I have), it happens to be shooting one of the flatter shooting handgun cartridges, which gives it some reach, especially compared to a handgun. But it is still a handgun cartridge, and it loses energy -- of which it didn't have a ton of which to begin -- fast.

I see it as a low recoil alternative for short to medium ranges -- 25 to 50, up to 75 yards -- for youths or women who cannot handle a full power assault rifle or mbr. Otherwise, it is just a fun gun, a good plinker for 25 to 50 yard shooting.
 
I don't own any Hi-Point arms, but I have shot most of their models at one time or another. (I'm waiting for the .45ACP carbine, maybe it will be out late this year)

Not the most AP {Aesthetically Pleasing} guns out there, but they go Bang! on request, and put the bullet where you aim. If you do have a problem with it, Hi-Point fixes it for free, no matter if you are the original owner or not.

For well under $300, who could ask for much more than that?

Uses? Fun, inexpensive plinker out to 75Yds or so. 9MM & .40S&W ammo cheaper than MOST centerfire rifle ammo. Makes a decent step-up trainer from .22 Rimfire guns to centerfire rifles/carbines. Can be a reasonable close quarters Home & Land Security carbine for those that can't wield something like a CETME, M1 Garand/M1A, FAL, Yugo SKS, etc.


Smarmy joke about appearances here

Teaches you to "love the less than highly 'polished' guns."
 
As for reliability, I have purposely NEVER cleaned mine, including from purchase...I made sure the barrel was not obstructed, and went from there. got about 500 rounds of WWB and 200 rounds of other assorted stuff through it and it's still going strong. I'm curious to see if it will lock up or at least start jamming from crud buildup before I have a terminal attack of concience and break down and clean it...


BTW, mine wears a ATI stock and a cheap red dot, and I have maybe $250.00 max into it. It's everybody's favorite range toy because women, kids and first-timers can hit with it, and the recoil is almost nonexistent.
 
It is a marvel of modern engineering that something so outwardly ugly, inexpensive and seemingly cheaply made could be so reliable and accurate.

The sights are great. The rear aperture and front post make target acquisition very fast and easy. Mine's zeroed at 50 yds. I can put 10/10 inside a 2 inch circle at 50. It's not gonna win you any competitions but it'll definitely shoot minute of intruder all day long. And the zero holds. I sighted it in when I got it and havent touched the sights since. I've put well over 1000 rounds through the gun. With a 50 yd zero, shooting at 5 yds will put all your shots where you want them.

As for reliability, I won't lie and say I've never had a FTF or an FTE, but they are very rare. I honestly can't remember having an FTF, but I do remember a few FTEs. Cycle the bolt and its cleared.

I rarely clean mine. I 'll run a few patches down the barrel after I shoot it but that's about it. The plastic stock is ugly but it's actually pretty comfortable to shoot and it shoulders very well. The fit & finish is pretty rough, but don't let that sway your decision. The working parts are all steel and the gun is actually pretty well made. The stock feels chintzy but the gun underneath is solid.

Seriously, you won't regret buying one of these. Mine sits in the front of my safe. with a loaded mag in the well. If I ever need a gun like in a hurry, that's the one I'll grab.
 
This is the best "fun gun" I have ever purchased

The Hi Point 9mm Carbine, for me has been a blast. My abilities limit it, not the other way around. I have stuck to the stock 10rd mags, and never had an issue with 250 rounds through her.

<Edit> Come to think of it, I did have one FTE about 20 rds in. Also, I had a FTF from the mag because you have to be real firm when insterting it. A good solid smack and you are good. <Edit>

She may be ugly, but she keeps going bang. I actually clean her regularly but I am kinda silly like that. I think you could bury her and come back in 20 years and she would still go bang.

<Puts on flame retardant suit>

Because the carbine has worked so well for me, I went and picked up a new 9mm C9. I love it. I am still "breaking it in" but it has yet to have a FTE or FTF in 150 rds.

I like Hi Point gear. I see it as a good value. Yes, they have had some issues, and they are less than pretty.
 
My brothe has a 9mm that was given to him and it would jam every 3rd round as handed to him. Took it apart cleand 4 pounds of slime out of it and it has not FTF since. A fun gun to shoot.
 
Since we have yet another thread going, I'm gonna ask...

Does anybody know why the 15 round mags jam the way they do, and if they can be fixed to be more reliable. I have 3 or 4, purchased before I knew better. It looks to me like they do not position the cartridge at the same angle as the stock mags. I suppose if there were an easy fix, someone would have posted it. But I just thought I'd ask.
 
Hi-Point is good bang for the buck.

I own both the Hi-Point carbine in 9mm and the Sub-2000 in 9mm and enjoy them both. IMO the 2000 for more money is not a better weapon. When I say better I meant as far as reliability and accuracy is concerned. I've found them to be both reliable and have accuracy that surprises me. The Hi-Point comes with the hardware to mount red dots / scopes etc. on it, where as the 2000 folds and accepts hi-cap mags. Apples and oranges.

If you "NEED" the fold-ability of the 2000 or feel a weapon just "HAS" to accept hi-caps or it's no good, then the 2000 is for you. If you want to save some money and yet be able to add things like a muzzle brake / laser / and red dot or scope / spare mag holders easily to your carbine, (as I have) the Hi-Point is for you.
 
my 9mm has been
Affordable
Reliable
Accurate

they are truly great guns and im eagerly looking forward to the rumored .45acp carbine. i find no fault with owning a 800$ handgun and a 150$ carbine ( so long as the carbines a hi point!)
 
hi-point

I have had mine for awhile now. It shoots great, pretty accurate, and the price can't be beat. It has a lifetime warranty so if anything goes wrong, they will repair/replace for free. Good luck on finding one though. They are selling as soon as they are made. Even gun shops are having a hard time getting them in.
I like the 995 carbine because of the cheaper 9mm ammo that it shots. It is the cheapest weapon that I own, but I would trust my life to its dependibility.
 
I ended up with one in a trade, a Hi-Point 995 9mm carbine. Works pretty good, not a perfect gun, although I have had no jams.

Safty stinks, needs two hands to use.

When I shoot it a bunch, has just enough recoil to induce "face slap" with the factory stock! Hard to describe, but it just will lightly slap my face every shot until its uncomfortable. Others may not have this problem.

Have not looked real hard, but can't find factory mags. Have heard aftermarket mags were junk. Have seen no aftermarket mags either, but like I say, have not looked very hard.

Front sight was loose one mine, had to loosen the set screw and tweek the sight over to get the thing on target. My 995 was well used when I got it, so thats not the guns fault.

Does work perfectly, no jams. Able to hit the target reasonably often. Accuracy seems pretty decent.

Its OK for what it is. Really not my sort of gun, but honestly, I'm going to keep it.
 
Z71 said:
Safty stinks, needs two hands to use.
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I didn't like the safety either so...
I modified mine by putting a (slow and careful) twist to it so I can easily reach up and use it like any "normal" safety. It's worked well like this for years and plenty of use and shows no signs of metal fatigue.
 
Mine is scary accurate with my red dot. Very easy to hit a 6x8 steel plate hanging from a tree at 90 yards measured. This is with cheap 9mm too.

But I certainly don't trust it with my life. It's been to the shop 3 times now.
 
It's much like most 22lr rifles only with a bit more ooomph. They are accurate and reliable. In 9mm pretty inexpensive to shoot too. The only thing I don't like about mine is that the only reliable mags I can get for it only hold 10rnds witch means you spend lots of time reloading!
 
Yes, I need to get at least 2 more mags for the 995. I only got one with the carbine. I keep thinking I'll run across some mags at a gunshow or something, but they just don't show up.

Thanks for the link.
 
Chris says:

Mine is scary accurate with my red dot.
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Mine is just plain scary accurate. I have only fired it in the 25 to 50 yard ranges, but off hand and with iron sights, it puts all 10 shots touching. I would NOT sell mine for twice what I paid.

Doc2005
 
Hmmm, I wonder, a snail drum for the Hi Point.
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Now THAT, a junk car, and about 20 acres of private property would be FUN!! :D Unfortunately, I live in the city and bought my carbine so I could shoot a "rifle" at the indoor pistol range...
 
there is a seller on gunbroker listing hi point factory mags at $16.00 per mag and free shipping.


milsurpstuff.com also has them for about the same price + about 5 dollars shipping. They also have the best price on ATI stocks with minimal shipping.
 
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