Deltaboy1984
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Was surprised to see this thread still kicking around.
With the exception of a couple of gun snobs who obviously have more money than brains, the verdict seems to be that Hi-Points are well worth the money.
Not surprised, as Hi-Point sells a lot of guns, not something they would do if the critics were correct.
As for the people who think they are ugly, nobody gives Glock high praise for the beauty of their pistols, and with good reason. But nobody,(anymore) argues that they are not good guns.
It seems to come down to the cost of the guns. They are cheap. Someone who pays three or four times (or more) the cost of a Hi-Point, is going to be embarrassed to admit the Hi-Point is as good as their gun.
For most people, a stock 1911 A1, with upgraded sights, is all the gun they really need in a 1911 format. They aren't competitive shooting, or carrying it concealed, so why pay $1,500 or more, when $500 gets you what you need? Still a lot of people pay very big bucks for a custom 1911 so they can brag about it's features that they never take advantage of and it's cost. And yes, people brag about the cost.
My next weapon will probably be a Hi-point carbine, in 9mm. A friend of mine owns one, and it is a joy to shoot.
With the exception of a couple of gun snobs who obviously have more money than brains, the verdict seems to be that Hi-Points are well worth the money.
Not surprised, as Hi-Point sells a lot of guns, not something they would do if the critics were correct.
As for the people who think they are ugly, nobody gives Glock high praise for the beauty of their pistols, and with good reason. But nobody,(anymore) argues that they are not good guns.
It seems to come down to the cost of the guns. They are cheap. Someone who pays three or four times (or more) the cost of a Hi-Point, is going to be embarrassed to admit the Hi-Point is as good as their gun.
For most people, a stock 1911 A1, with upgraded sights, is all the gun they really need in a 1911 format. They aren't competitive shooting, or carrying it concealed, so why pay $1,500 or more, when $500 gets you what you need? Still a lot of people pay very big bucks for a custom 1911 so they can brag about it's features that they never take advantage of and it's cost. And yes, people brag about the cost.
My next weapon will probably be a Hi-point carbine, in 9mm. A friend of mine owns one, and it is a joy to shoot.
I have a 9mm Carbine besides 9MM, 380, and 45 ACP high point pistols I bought for shooting cast bullets through and the do go bang every time. For the jing spent, they are a real value. I have a FFL 03 and collect, and have many other military pistols and I must say that even though they are built heavier, they really do not shoot any better,
I would never hesitate to buy another one. In fact, I am looking at a 45 ACP carbine.
I would never hesitate to buy another one. In fact, I am looking at a 45 ACP carbine.
Here's an old thread:
http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/forum/f274/worn-out-283383/
Most of the pictures that used to be there are gone but there are a couple that show some pretty horrible failures. The posters in the thread claiming only about 5k or so rounds before the firing pin channel is so worn that the gun can't function.
There is at least one good picture in the thread left to illustrate.
It wouldn't be a problem to me but the carbines are considerably more expensive than the pistols, which have similar lifespans but only cost about $140 or so. When the carbines run at $350 or more, the Kel Tec Sub2k seems like a better option IMO.
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Thx Alot Kiln!
I bet I can do some PM and make it last longer...
I bet I can do some PM and make it last longer...
I was a snob on these units until I read a review/test from gun tests .com, the magazine a neighbor lent me. They tested the 4595 and it went head to head with IIRC the Kriss Vector. IIRC, Hi-Point had a B+ and the Kriss had an A-. No kidding. At fun shows they go for 350-400-online they list for 269 or so.
Baron66
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I fired a HP 9mm carbine in Ohio a few months ago and it was just fine. Very accurate and it ate everything that I fed into it.
I think people hate them because they are not the gorgeous pieces of art that some other guns are. They may not be pretty, but they do their job, and you have to respect that.
I think people hate them because they are not the gorgeous pieces of art that some other guns are. They may not be pretty, but they do their job, and you have to respect that.
Rusty Luck
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I have an older 995 with the ATI stock on it, it's great a ton of cheap fun.
About a month ago at a gun show at GRB in Houston my friend bought a new in box 995 with iron sights and RDS included for $265(tax included).
About a month ago at a gun show at GRB in Houston my friend bought a new in box 995 with iron sights and RDS included for $265(tax included).
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Hi-Point guns?
They're freaking ugly.
They're heavy
They have the ergonomics of a rigor mortised cat
They are also inexpensive, reliable, decently accurate, mags don't cost a fortune and they're available in all the common autoloading pistol calibers.
I don't own one simply because I have been blessed with an income my entire adult life that allows some leeway in disposable income. Were that to change, or maybe I just wanted a "beater" gun, I'd start pondering Hi-Point right out of the gate. Yes, I've shot some. Yes, I've serviced some and no, I didn't come away thinking "Man, I gotta get one". But I also know that while you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear, there are some pretty darn good sows ears being made in Mansfield, Ohio.
They're freaking ugly.
They're heavy
They have the ergonomics of a rigor mortised cat
They are also inexpensive, reliable, decently accurate, mags don't cost a fortune and they're available in all the common autoloading pistol calibers.
I don't own one simply because I have been blessed with an income my entire adult life that allows some leeway in disposable income. Were that to change, or maybe I just wanted a "beater" gun, I'd start pondering Hi-Point right out of the gate. Yes, I've shot some. Yes, I've serviced some and no, I didn't come away thinking "Man, I gotta get one". But I also know that while you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear, there are some pretty darn good sows ears being made in Mansfield, Ohio.
i have had and shot a Hi Point for years. Read a lot of negative stuff about them, but have never experienced a problem with my C9. Goes bang every time, fun to shoot. Not a CCW piece by any means but made in US (Ohio) reliable, inexpensive, ok to keep in garage, truck, tackle box, etc. I have 12 other revolvers and semi autos, 38, 357, 9mm, 45acp, 22, Smiths, Colts, Taurus, Charter Arms, Remington, and a very old Marlin model 60 22 lr rifle. the High Point is a good affordable gun.
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I didn't read through all the replies. My experience with the C9 was good. It was my first semi. It always went bang. It's accuracy was decent. Wish I kept it as a car/truck gun.
My shooting buddy had one of the "ape" guns. Put the ATI stock on it. With that stock it handled really well. It always went bang. It's accuracy was actually REALLY decent. And we shot that thing with the cheapest crap we could find. He wishes he kept it as a car/truck gun.
I wish I would've bought it off him for a car/truck/camp gun.
I guess you figured out by now that we wished we kept'em. Get it?
My shooting buddy had one of the "ape" guns. Put the ATI stock on it. With that stock it handled really well. It always went bang. It's accuracy was actually REALLY decent. And we shot that thing with the cheapest crap we could find. He wishes he kept it as a car/truck gun.
I wish I would've bought it off him for a car/truck/camp gun.
I guess you figured out by now that we wished we kept'em. Get it?
I have a 995 that I bought new for less than two bills and immediately put it into a ATI stock. They are ugly.
Now it looks similar to my CX4 and shoots just as well. Both are accurate and have never jammed. So compared to the Beretta, the Hi Point is a fantastic value.
About never hearing a good thing about them, well in my experience most of the stories I've heard are favorable.
I have more expensive guns than the 995, but not all of them have been as trouble free.
Now it looks similar to my CX4 and shoots just as well. Both are accurate and have never jammed. So compared to the Beretta, the Hi Point is a fantastic value.
About never hearing a good thing about them, well in my experience most of the stories I've heard are favorable.
I have more expensive guns than the 995, but not all of them have been as trouble free.
"It seems to come down to the cost of the guns. They are cheap. Someone who pays three or four times (or more) the cost of a Hi-Point, is going to be embarrassed to admit the Hi-Point is as good as their gun. "
No - a Hi-Point is not "as good as their gun" unless the feature "it goes bang everytime" is the only feature you are looking for....
- Hi-Points are extremely top heavy thanks to the heavy and over-sized slide on a small polymer frame
- very high bore-axis
- ergonomics of a brick
not a bad gun for the price but saying that a Hi-Point is "as good as" a Glock, M&P etc is simply not taking all aspects of a handgun into consideration.
There's a reason why they are a few hundred $ cheaper than "normal" polymer framed guns. The difference between casted slides and machined slides is significant in production costs....
No - a Hi-Point is not "as good as their gun" unless the feature "it goes bang everytime" is the only feature you are looking for....
- Hi-Points are extremely top heavy thanks to the heavy and over-sized slide on a small polymer frame
- very high bore-axis
- ergonomics of a brick
not a bad gun for the price but saying that a Hi-Point is "as good as" a Glock, M&P etc is simply not taking all aspects of a handgun into consideration.
There's a reason why they are a few hundred $ cheaper than "normal" polymer framed guns. The difference between casted slides and machined slides is significant in production costs....
One could buy a catapult also and make an argument for that, but in reality it's still a catapult. If you can't get anything better, "which is hard to believe", There were Glock trade ins from LEO's, I listed yesterday for the 3 hundred range, then go ahead, and buy it. But don't pretend it's as good as a Glock, M&P, or Xd. Unless you are delusional there are too many reasons to list here why it isn't as good. But too much bandwidth has already been wasted on this nonsense.
The wonderful thing about this country is that you can have anything that you can afford to buy, guns are not expensive when compared even to TV's, so when ones life is a stake, the least one can do is chose a good weapon to carry, to protect their life and the lives of their family.
But people buy Citroen 2cv's also. And think they are beautiful. The Carbine may work as a 2nd weapon, but that's the limit of what a sane person would do with one, other than hammer nails with it.
Just looking at them makes me want to surrender.
The wonderful thing about this country is that you can have anything that you can afford to buy, guns are not expensive when compared even to TV's, so when ones life is a stake, the least one can do is chose a good weapon to carry, to protect their life and the lives of their family.
But people buy Citroen 2cv's also. And think they are beautiful. The Carbine may work as a 2nd weapon, but that's the limit of what a sane person would do with one, other than hammer nails with it.
Just looking at them makes me want to surrender.
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my post was a low blow.
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If you look way back when this started, I said to go ahead and buy them because at that price they were a good deal, but 115 posts later to be singing the praises of these guns and actually comparing them to much better quality weapons is just wasting time, and making idle conversation. If you can't afford a gun you really shouldn't be giving opinions on why other people buy what they choose to.
And again the martyr card is not going to work when we have thousands of members who have a vast amount of guns, as well as some who only have one.
People who come here for information should not be led to believe that all guns are created equal, as they aren't, much may be preference, but a certain level of quality is what most people want and you aren't going to achieve that with a weapon like that, let alone get proper usage for most things one wants in a gun.
When you are looking at a matter of a hundred to two hundred dollar difference in a rock and a baseball there really should be no question which would be better to play ball with.
And again the martyr card is not going to work when we have thousands of members who have a vast amount of guns, as well as some who only have one.
People who come here for information should not be led to believe that all guns are created equal, as they aren't, much may be preference, but a certain level of quality is what most people want and you aren't going to achieve that with a weapon like that, let alone get proper usage for most things one wants in a gun.
When you are looking at a matter of a hundred to two hundred dollar difference in a rock and a baseball there really should be no question which would be better to play ball with.
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So then I'll do it for ya
"gym" said:
Hopefully all the "bad guys" will do the same!
JKI have some fine weapons, (S&W, Ruger, and others) and I have every model
of Hi Point except the 380 (if I get a 380, it will be a true pocket gun, not this behemoth!)
Handguns and Carbines. $$$ Spent to Satisfaction Ratio is near the top end of
my scale for the Hi Points! I bought a pocket gun that was as much as my 995
and it is more picky and less reliable than the 995 carbine. But for what it is,
I'm Keeping It!
Your post is making me think you have never shot an HP.
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For what I need a weapon for they would be completely unacceptable. For plinking I could see it or in a preppers role of having inexpensive guns buried around their lair. But as a serious "carry" or duty weapon? That would never happen, again, I can see the carbines as a secondary weapon, but this should never be your primary, go to gun.
If you can afford a TV or cell phone, you can afford a better quality gun to protect your life with. I have shot them as I have shot most weapons in 44 years of shooting and carrying a gun.
I would never carry one.
If you can afford a TV or cell phone, you can afford a better quality gun to protect your life with. I have shot them as I have shot most weapons in 44 years of shooting and carrying a gun.
I would never carry one.
Mooseman
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@GYM "But people buy Citroen 2cv's also. And think they are beautiful."
You know I had to look up a Citroen 2cv was. Those things are cool as hell!
Btw, I do own a Hi-Point and pretty much like it for the same reasons folks like the Citroen. I also have a G34 which is a much better firearm but it doesn't diminish my love for any of my other guns.
You know I had to look up a Citroen 2cv was. Those things are cool as hell!
Btw, I do own a Hi-Point and pretty much like it for the same reasons folks like the Citroen. I also have a G34 which is a much better firearm but it doesn't diminish my love for any of my other guns.
Yeah, that's enough of this.
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