High Tower Armory claims to be Ready with the High Point Bullpups!

[Hasaf]

I, like many others, have been waiting for the Bullpup stock for the High Point Carbine. I wrote them a few days ago with this question:

The Face book site hasn't been updated in quite a while (and I am not at all active on facebook). Do you have any estimates on when the Bullpup stock will be available for the High Point carbine?

Here was the response:

Hey [Hasaf]! Thanks for your message and interest in our stock! We just sent out the first notifications via email to those who have been on our wait list and we also just posted a facebook update about a week ago. Your notification email should be coming soon. Please let me know if you have any other questions and thanks again for your interest and patience!

I then went and looked at the facebook page and it was indeed updated!

I went to the webpage, they are still not taking orders from the webpage. That is expected because they stated they would take orders off their waitlist first.

This is good news, at least we are closer than we were before!

 

[1KPerDay]

Looks way better than any hi point... I'll give it that much

 

[LoonWulf]

Cool I'm on the wait list for those, probably a ways down tho.

 

[ttarp]

Been looking forward to this for a while. 10mm bullpup anyone?

 

[HB]

I am not sure how the mag well works but if there is space in the receiver, why would you have it not set up to take Glock mags?

 

[LoonWulf]

I am not sure how the mag well works but if there is space in the receiver, why would you have it not set up to take Glock mags?

Because the hi-point carbine was never designed to take double stack mags, the receiver itself would need to be modified (not sure if it can be, honestly its moot to me so ive never looked into it), or a custom magazine would have to be designed.

 

[Dr.Rob]

Costs as much as the gun.

 

[RedlegRick]

It looks okay, but in my admittedly limited experience with bullpups, that's all its got going for it. I've shot a few, ranging from a late sixties Mauser to one for the 10/22 and every one of them had horrible triggers. No thanks, Hi-Point did a decent job making their product work in its current form. If I ever find the need/desire for another one, it will stay in the shape it came out of the box, with the possible addition of a scope.

 

[Cocked & Locked]

Mine will just stay the way I've got...don't like Bullpup stocks.

 

[Hasaf]

So far the only bullpup that I have shot is the tavor. This one has been interesting me for a while. As far as the cost, I look at it as a total package, a 9mm bullpup for a bit over 500 isn't bad.

As far as not taking Glock mags, the Glock wont take my High-Power mags either. On their website they claim the next project is a high capacity magazine. The magazine well on the bullpup is already oversized to accommodate it. The new magazine might be vaporware; but then, I had written the bullpup stock off as vaporware too.

image from here . . . Showing oversized magazine well

In all, I am going to get one soon, as soon as my "number" comes up. Yes, mostly for the novelty value. Frankly, I can't see how the trigger can be anything but awful; but I might be surprised.

 

[someguy2800]

I don’t know, you’ll be $600 into a hi point, and you would need to convert it all back to send it in for service.

I think for the money I would do an SBR on a sub 2000 and chop it down. It doesn’t look like it would be much shorter than a pistol braced AR with like an 8” barrel either.

 

[ttarp]

I'm a little surprised about the lack of love, I suppose folks just still aren't over the dislike of bullpups in general. Consider the other options for bullpup 9mm's, a $1500 Tavor, a $1600 AUG which you then have to hunt down an $1800 conversion kit if you can find one, and I can't think of any others at the moment, so a $500 HiPoint bullpup that allegedly is easier to disassemble for cleaning and maintenance(not that these rifles need that much), seems like a winner. But if you aren't into bullpups to begin with...

 

[RedlegRick]

I'm a little surprised about the lack of love, I suppose folks just still aren't over the dislike of bullpups in general. Consider the other options for bullpup 9mm's, a $1500 Tavor, a $1600 AUG which you then have to hunt down an $1800 conversion kit if you can find one, and I can't think of any others at the moment, so a $500 HiPoint bullpup that allegedly is easier to disassemble for cleaning and maintenance(not that these rifles need that much), seems like a winner. But if you aren't into bullpups to begin with...

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a good bullpup rifle, the concept is fascinating and it meets a number of valid needs in the shooting world, but when the rubber hits the road, the design has some serious downsides.
The first is common to all bullpup designs, the need for a very long trigger linkage. This is compounded when one has to contend with a magazine well, which demands either an offset or split linkage. That means more parts and points of failure in addition to a trigger pull that's like dragging a chain through gravel.

The second is the need to elevate the sights in order to acquire a sight picture and the short distance between front and rear bring up its own set of issues. Lastly, your support hand is just that much closer to the muzzle and in a hurried shooting situation or recoil, could find itself in the danger zone.

If someone can solve those three issues, then I'd be first in line for one, but until then, I'm perfectly happy with a conventionally laid out design.

 

[LoonWulf]

I'm on the notification list, I'm also curious if they will be available for the 10mm version (I would assume, its the same as the 45, but I'll need to check before ordering). If so I'll just order one of those in preperation for ordering a 10mm hipoint, as no one seems to have them right now.

 

[ttarp]

The Facebook post says there will be a 10mm option when you get you email, so apparently there are a few differences.

 

[someguy2800]

I'm a little surprised about the lack of love, I suppose folks just still aren't over the dislike of bullpups in general. Consider the other options for bullpup 9mm's, a $1500 Tavor, a $1600 AUG which you then have to hunt down an $1800 conversion kit if you can find one, and I can't think of any others at the moment, so a $500 HiPoint bullpup that allegedly is easier to disassemble for cleaning and maintenance(not that these rifles need that much), seems like a winner. But if you aren't into bullpups to begin with...

Whats the purpose of a bullpup? Make a very compact rifle that still has plenty of barrel length right? Well a 9mm just doesn't need the barrel length. You only pick up about 100 FPS between a 6" and 16" barrel with a 9mm. Plus a hipoint being a blockback action, has alot of weight behind the barrel. I suspect these are going to be pretty poorly balanced with 3/4 of the weight being behind the grip. So in my eyes with this conversion your really spending $300 to make your hipoint 6 inches shorter and badly balanced. If you like the look of it enough for that to be worth it, or just really want a bullpup, well carry on then. I had a hi point 9mm in an ATI stock for about 6 months and I liked it and would recommend one as a cheap fun gun. I got mine used with 6 mags for 200 and the ATI stock on sale for 50. I decided I like 9mm carbines enough to step it up to something with better sights and more solidly built so I sold it to finance a 9mm AR build and it was a huge upgrade. I have about $550 into it and worth every penny.

 

[ttarp]

Well we have the 16" barrel length anyway, unless you consider sbring a hipoint(lol), so why not save some space? As far as balance, I suspect it'll balance pretty well based on the experiences I've had with other bullpups, but we won't know till we can handle them. And while it certainly does look better, that's not what interest me. It's all good if you don't care for bullpups, it's no skin off my nose, but it makes an easily affordable option to try out bullpups for anyone who balks at the hefty price the rifle caliber designs cost.

 

[Elkins45]

I’m a lefty, so converting a normal RH gun into a bullpup (especially a blowback action) also converts it to a beard ignition device for me. Cool idea, though.

 

[kozak6]

I am not sure how the mag well works but if there is space in the receiver, why would you have it not set up to take Glock mags?

Ah, but there isn't space in the receiver. The Hi Point was designed to be difficult to convert to hi cap. A double stack can't fit into the receiver since the receiver isn't much thicker than the barrel. A hi-cap would need a 2"-2.5" single stack neck and a trick follower. There are things such as quad stacks for other guns, so something like this is certainly possible. Just tricky.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

I want one. For the "cool" factor. Especially on a $100 used carbine. $350 total investment.

 

[LoonWulf]

I just got the notification email. I'm happy with my 995 in it's ATI stock, so im probably going to order the 10mm version to have on hand for when ever I manage to get the actual gun lol.

Now to sell some toys to pay for this......

 

[Hasaf]

I just got the notification email. I'm happy with my 995 in it's ATI stock, so im probably going to order the 10mm version to have on hand for when ever I manage to get the actual gun lol.

Now to sell some toys to pay for this......

I don't have my letter yet. What colour choices were there?

 

[LoonWulf]

Black, desert tan, FDE, and OD.

The 9s are also available in Artic Gray, which is what the prototype was I think.

 

[Al-jim19]

It sounds like some of you are over analyzing the practicality of a hi point bullpup. I’d expect this thing to work just as well as a normal hi point, and look cooler to boot.

My emphasis is definitely on the cool factor here.

For the price of the hipoint you can’t go wrong, especially when compared to the tavor options, aug, fs2000, or any of the other expensive space rifles. On top of all that, who knows, maybe it will surprise you from a practical standpoint.

 

[Coal Dragger]

Why would you be comparing a locked breech gas operated 5.56 NATO military/duty grade bullpup carbine to a blowback 9mm Luger bullpup (kit) on price? That’s an apples and dump trucks comparison.