Runningman
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Check out a HK P30L this week. Liked the feel of this pistol a bunch. Should I buy it?
HK P30L....any good?
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Yes.
Think Mercedes Benz
Think Mercedes Benz
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Yes!
Pizzagunner
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It would be a great pistol at $600.00. At $850+, not so much.
Think a Volkswagen (nothing special polymer pistol) gussied up into an Audi, (add the nameplate and the marketing).
Think a Volkswagen (nothing special polymer pistol) gussied up into an Audi, (add the nameplate and the marketing).
mosesv2
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I have a P30 that I thought would be the ultimate pistol for me (lefty).
It isn't.
It is a nice & accurate pistol, but I like the p2000 a lot better. The grip feels great in the store, but I have several guns that I like the way they shoot better. The slide releases are too long for my high thumbs forward grip (won't lock the slide back) The groove under the trigger drives me crazy & rubs the edge of my finger. The backstrap wiggles. None of these are deal breakers, but I expected more from a pistol I paid over $900 for.
It isn't.
It is a nice & accurate pistol, but I like the p2000 a lot better. The grip feels great in the store, but I have several guns that I like the way they shoot better. The slide releases are too long for my high thumbs forward grip (won't lock the slide back) The groove under the trigger drives me crazy & rubs the edge of my finger. The backstrap wiggles. None of these are deal breakers, but I expected more from a pistol I paid over $900 for.
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I would have to agree with Pizzagunner; nice gun but not at that price.
I have a P30 (non-L) and I am very happy with it. The groove under the trigger has never bothered me, even when I think about it while I shoot. I guess it's just a non-issue for me personally (small fingers maybe?). I don't have any issues with the backstrap/side plates wiggling either. I have about a 1000 rounds through it now and it has never failed to fire... ever. IIRC there was one time it failed to lock open... but it happens. Hardly an issue in my opinion.
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1. Slide release is perfect for me.
2. What groove?
3. No wiggle in my backstrap.
CowboyGSP
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For real info on the P30 as opposed to some of the BS responses you've received here go to this thread.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=30422&page=15
Hit Todd G with your questions and you'll get straight answers.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=30422&page=15
Hit Todd G with your questions and you'll get straight answers.
Jed Carter
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Great pistol, but like much that H&K offers it is pricey, magazines even more so. Try CDNN for availability and price, they were and may still have a sale on H&K P30Ls. I seriously considered it for USPSA prod class but the mag prices and lack of available accessories guided my decision to go with the Glock G34. Add 6 extra magazines, Blackhawk holster and 4 mag pouches, Dawson Precision sight set, all for the price of the H&K. I intend to replace the G34 soon with an STI Trojan 5.0, for just a little more than the H&K.
mosesv2
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It's a good gun, I'm only reporting my experience.
1) Good for you.
2) The scoop/trough/groove under the trigger.
3) Again, good for you.
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mosesv2
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Greg Bell was my favorite poster over at HKPro Forum before he left.
His torture test of his P2000 was great information.
Yawn. Not sure why someone who holds an opinion that differs from yours is spouting "BS," or not providing "straight answers..."
I thought I'd love the P30. I don't. On paper it was the perfect pistol for me (lefty). Not so much after putting a few hundred down range. Sorry about that. It still looks awesome.
Bullseye_shooter
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You are better off going with a glock 17, or some type of cz polymer.
its a decent gun, but all you get for $850+ is a crap trigger, and a semi-accurate gun.
its a decent gun, but all you get for $850+ is a crap trigger, and a semi-accurate gun.
Full Metal Jacket
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no.
the slide stop is way oversized. if you go onto the HK forum, there's people complaining of accidental slide locks. it also has the typical overly heavy HK DA trigger pull.
it's a very nice quality polymer, yet is still seriously overpriced.
it's no more reliable, durable, or accurate than glocks.
buy a glock, and use the money you saved to buy ammo.
the slide stop is way oversized. if you go onto the HK forum, there's people complaining of accidental slide locks. it also has the typical overly heavy HK DA trigger pull.
it's a very nice quality polymer, yet is still seriously overpriced.
it's no more reliable, durable, or accurate than glocks.
buy a glock, and use the money you saved to buy ammo.
benderx4
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I'm so tired about hearing how HKs are overpriced. Check out this link:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_28/products_id/55799
That's a Sig 229 in 9mm for $841. Is that WAY overpriced? Well, that's not a "plastic" gun you may say. Okay fine. Whatever. How about this one:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/3868929130.html
A cool grand - and about as "plastic" as you can get - is this overpriced too? Funny, they can't keep this one on the shelves, and backorder right now is about 2 months.
So having said all that - NO - the HK is NOT overpriced for the quality firearm you are receiving in return for your hard earned bucks. In fact, it's one of the finest combat handguns made in the world today.
If you want cheap (or inexpensive I should say), go with Keltec, Taurus or Bersa. You'll get what you pay for.
Then again, there is Glock. A fine weapon for the money, if you don't mind the plastic sights, weird grip angle, trigger "safety" system, and lack of a hammer. "Perfection" my eye.
Now, on to the OPs question about the HK P30L. Yes, I would buy this weapon, although I would buy it with HK's fine LEM trigger system. I agree with all the posters who talked about this particular guns extremely long/hard DA pull, and gritty, stacked SA pull. In short, compared with other HKs, the trigger on the P30 and P30L is found to be quite lacking. But in all other aspects, this is a fine 9mm.
That is the only, albeit a big one, flaw I see in this gun. It can be remedied by purchasing the LEM model, OR purchasing the DA/SA model and sending it to Mr Bill Springfield who is well known for the magic he performs on HK triggers. (Much as Angus Hobdell is known among CZ aficionados.)
Good luck with your decision and happy shooting!
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_28/products_id/55799
That's a Sig 229 in 9mm for $841. Is that WAY overpriced? Well, that's not a "plastic" gun you may say. Okay fine. Whatever. How about this one:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/3868929130.html
A cool grand - and about as "plastic" as you can get - is this overpriced too? Funny, they can't keep this one on the shelves, and backorder right now is about 2 months.
So having said all that - NO - the HK is NOT overpriced for the quality firearm you are receiving in return for your hard earned bucks. In fact, it's one of the finest combat handguns made in the world today.
If you want cheap (or inexpensive I should say), go with Keltec, Taurus or Bersa. You'll get what you pay for.
Then again, there is Glock. A fine weapon for the money, if you don't mind the plastic sights, weird grip angle, trigger "safety" system, and lack of a hammer. "Perfection" my eye.
Now, on to the OPs question about the HK P30L. Yes, I would buy this weapon, although I would buy it with HK's fine LEM trigger system. I agree with all the posters who talked about this particular guns extremely long/hard DA pull, and gritty, stacked SA pull. In short, compared with other HKs, the trigger on the P30 and P30L is found to be quite lacking. But in all other aspects, this is a fine 9mm.
That is the only, albeit a big one, flaw I see in this gun. It can be remedied by purchasing the LEM model, OR purchasing the DA/SA model and sending it to Mr Bill Springfield who is well known for the magic he performs on HK triggers. (Much as Angus Hobdell is known among CZ aficionados.)
Good luck with your decision and happy shooting!
Full Metal Jacket
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benderx4 said:
no. this is why:
Features a melt treatment on frame & slide, SRT Trigger System, short trigger, Siglite Night Sights, and black polymer grips. The slide features an engraved Sig Sauer Custom Shop logo. The Generation 2 SAS is available in a Nitron or Two-Tone version.
it's a custom SAS. that's actually a great deal.
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REAPER4206969
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What flavor is HK Flavor-Aid? Glock gives us fruit punch...
benderx4
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Lol, good one, I think it's Bavarian mocha creme flavored. Darn thing keeps me coming back for more.
Sorry for the rant, but I just can't help but find it ludicrous when guys think nothing of spending $1K on some 1911 that needs all kinds of tweaking before it can shoot 2 mags in a row w/o some kind of malfunction, but those same guys think a $800 HK is overpriced when it will serve you for tens of thousands of rounds without a failure of any kind.
But lest you think I boast merely due to being intoxicated with Bavarian flavored Kool-Aid, I would direct your attention to the following thread:
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.p...-Six-Months-The-HK-P30&highlight=torture+test
Please read at your leisure and then be prepared to come over to the "dark" side.
But in any case, I know its cool to dislike HK, so that's cool. Afterall, HK hates you, right?
I like the feel of the grip on the P30/P30L. It's pretty unique but I think they did a good job with it. No way will I pay $900 for one though...it's just not worth that kind of money to me. If I'm going to spend a grand on a pistol it has to be something special. I don't consider the P30 anything special.
chieftain
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Some folks like Yugo's because they are cheap too. Some folks like Mercedes. The Yugo can do everything the Mercedes can do, and a lot cheaper too. Think of all the extra miles you can drive on the extra gas money you will save. But almost none of us drove or drive Yugo's, why? And no I don't believe the Glock is the Yugo of guns. It is just an illustration.
I have a lot of guns, 21 1911's, and the only thing I ever HAD to change on a NEW gun was once, I had to change out the recoil spring. $7.95. Now to a glock owner that seems to be a lot of money, to me it is not, to get the gun running right.
My Glock 19 doesn't use one generation of magazines (I really can't remember, but I got rid of them. Frankly just as picky as some of my 1911's). My 34 is very reliable, and such. But in the end the Glock doesn't fit me. I am not that crazy of about the grip angle, personal fit, trigger, or magazine reliability of the Glock. And I don't care for any Glock not in 9mm. What advantages the Glock has, decay quickly when the glock isn't a 9mm. The notable exception to that may well be the Glock 20, which is to big for me, but seems to stand up.
I like SIG's, but of late their quality doesn't equal my West German 220's,225's,226's,228's, and my US made early 229. Not terrible, just not what they were. (by the way, I basically feel the same way about SIG's not in 9mm too. At least they redesigned their slide, but it is still an adaptation of the older SIG's.
By the way as to the slide lock, I find it absolutely no different than the Classic SIG slide lock problem. I "fly" my strong hand thumb, as I did when I shot SIG's for years.
I have Rugers, CZ's, Beretta's, etc...... And I have HK's. I don't particularly care for the USP version. I only have one, with a LEM trigger.
BUT!
I do like the new family. I have 2 HK45 LEM's, 1 HK45c LEM, 1 USP 45c LEM, 1 p2000sk LEM, 1 P30L, and 3 P30 LEM's.
I like the way the new HK's fit in my hands, particularly the P30 models. My P30L is the only model without the LEM trigger. The trigger is okay, but not great. But the advantage of having a weapon that can really fit my hand is, in my opinion, enormous.
I now CCW with one of the P30 LEM's. I use the Large side grip plates, and the medium back strap. I have large hands with short chubby fingers. The only other handgun that has come this close to fitting me properly is my 1911's, when I have set them up properly for me. The P30 frankly does this much better.
With enough trigger time, and actual shooting practice, folks can learn to adapt to almost any gun, whether it fits or not. But to have the gun actually fit you properly, will enhance your shooting ability quite a bit. Particularly a fighting gun. One reason the 1911 is still so strong and is in fact making a Renaissance today, IMNSHO, is that it has been the most adaptable fighting gun/platform for almost 100 years.
Even Glock via it's 4th Gen has paid tribute to the concept of the gun fitting the shooter/user. This new concept of interchangeable back straps etal is just manufacturers bearing witness to the need of the gun to fit the shooter. Finally!
It's just the 1911, and HK P30 do it better. Not really complicated. I have never cared for a Glock trigger, and as an old revolver shooter, I am a trigger slapper from way back. All my actual combat with a handgun was done with either a 1911 45acp, or S&W 38spl Victory model (rough finished model 10 for WW II).
That is why I have 4 P30's, 1 L model and 3 P30's (regulars, just for delineation). I is almost exactly the same size as my favorite SIG 228. And I really do like the LEM trigger.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Good luck.
Fred
I have a lot of guns, 21 1911's, and the only thing I ever HAD to change on a NEW gun was once, I had to change out the recoil spring. $7.95. Now to a glock owner that seems to be a lot of money, to me it is not, to get the gun running right.
My Glock 19 doesn't use one generation of magazines (I really can't remember, but I got rid of them. Frankly just as picky as some of my 1911's). My 34 is very reliable, and such. But in the end the Glock doesn't fit me. I am not that crazy of about the grip angle, personal fit, trigger, or magazine reliability of the Glock. And I don't care for any Glock not in 9mm. What advantages the Glock has, decay quickly when the glock isn't a 9mm. The notable exception to that may well be the Glock 20, which is to big for me, but seems to stand up.
I like SIG's, but of late their quality doesn't equal my West German 220's,225's,226's,228's, and my US made early 229. Not terrible, just not what they were. (by the way, I basically feel the same way about SIG's not in 9mm too. At least they redesigned their slide, but it is still an adaptation of the older SIG's.
By the way as to the slide lock, I find it absolutely no different than the Classic SIG slide lock problem. I "fly" my strong hand thumb, as I did when I shot SIG's for years.
I have Rugers, CZ's, Beretta's, etc...... And I have HK's. I don't particularly care for the USP version. I only have one, with a LEM trigger.
BUT!
I do like the new family. I have 2 HK45 LEM's, 1 HK45c LEM, 1 USP 45c LEM, 1 p2000sk LEM, 1 P30L, and 3 P30 LEM's.
I like the way the new HK's fit in my hands, particularly the P30 models. My P30L is the only model without the LEM trigger. The trigger is okay, but not great. But the advantage of having a weapon that can really fit my hand is, in my opinion, enormous.
I now CCW with one of the P30 LEM's. I use the Large side grip plates, and the medium back strap. I have large hands with short chubby fingers. The only other handgun that has come this close to fitting me properly is my 1911's, when I have set them up properly for me. The P30 frankly does this much better.
With enough trigger time, and actual shooting practice, folks can learn to adapt to almost any gun, whether it fits or not. But to have the gun actually fit you properly, will enhance your shooting ability quite a bit. Particularly a fighting gun. One reason the 1911 is still so strong and is in fact making a Renaissance today, IMNSHO, is that it has been the most adaptable fighting gun/platform for almost 100 years.
Even Glock via it's 4th Gen has paid tribute to the concept of the gun fitting the shooter/user. This new concept of interchangeable back straps etal is just manufacturers bearing witness to the need of the gun to fit the shooter. Finally!
It's just the 1911, and HK P30 do it better. Not really complicated. I have never cared for a Glock trigger, and as an old revolver shooter, I am a trigger slapper from way back. All my actual combat with a handgun was done with either a 1911 45acp, or S&W 38spl Victory model (rough finished model 10 for WW II).
That is why I have 4 P30's, 1 L model and 3 P30's (regulars, just for delineation). I is almost exactly the same size as my favorite SIG 228. And I really do like the LEM trigger.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Good luck.
Fred
CowboyGSP
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The p30's street price is more like 750. I pick mine up end of this month and it cost me 685 plus tax (725 OTD).
All the angst over the prices of HK tells me either some don't know how to shop/negotiate or just plain have a hard-on for HK.
My HKs have cost me on average 100 over the price of a comparable pistol. My P7 cost me 500 FTF, HK45 and USP 45 Tact were 825 OTD for each. All of the aforementioned pistols were purchased within the past 4 months.
I like most of the guns in my safe (Beretta, Colt, Sig, CZ) and enjoy shooting almost anything that goes bang. The bottom line is HK manufacturers a consistently fine gun. Why the Bavarian penis envy? Seems unless it's bottled and made of hops and barley that there is a whole forum devoted to bashing it.
For those wanting info on the P30, head over to M4carbine.net, read up on the 100K round test and then hit ToddG with any remaining questions. You'll get all the unbiased info you need on the P30.
All the angst over the prices of HK tells me either some don't know how to shop/negotiate or just plain have a hard-on for HK.
My HKs have cost me on average 100 over the price of a comparable pistol. My P7 cost me 500 FTF, HK45 and USP 45 Tact were 825 OTD for each. All of the aforementioned pistols were purchased within the past 4 months.
I like most of the guns in my safe (Beretta, Colt, Sig, CZ) and enjoy shooting almost anything that goes bang. The bottom line is HK manufacturers a consistently fine gun. Why the Bavarian penis envy? Seems unless it's bottled and made of hops and barley that there is a whole forum devoted to bashing it.
For those wanting info on the P30, head over to M4carbine.net, read up on the 100K round test and then hit ToddG with any remaining questions. You'll get all the unbiased info you need on the P30.
Runningman
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Update, I'm still looking at it. Went back this week and looked at the HK P30L some more. I do like this gun a bunch it just feels right to me.
I only wished they were out in a 40 S&W, but may end up getting it in the P30L 9mm. Just because I like the platform. Thanks for all the input.
I only wished they were out in a 40 S&W, but may end up getting it in the P30L 9mm. Just because I like the platform. Thanks for all the input.
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