Home defense shotgun

david58

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I have two very nice, 20ga Remington 1100s. I am coming to realize that they likely are not the best home defense shotguns, unless I load with slugs and shorten the barrel.
So, what do you recommend?
My preference is not an "assault shotgun" (tongue in cheek, there, don't get mad), I like wood and nice blue metal and all that, and might like something I could hunt with.
But I want to be economical, and have that magical "always runs" shotgun.
And, yes, I prefer a shotgun over an AR (I have one), just to allay my possibly ill-founded concerns about over penetration and shooting a neighbor's house.

Your wisdom is appreciated!

David
NM
 
You’re more likely to get over penetration with buckshot or slugs than with 5.56x45.

That said, why do you think your shotguns aren’t suitable? If you want to make one more suitable for home defense just put a slug barrel on it. That should make it maneuverable enough. Find yourself a defensive shotgun class and get some training. You don’t need an extended magazine tube. You’ll learn to shoot one/load one in class. You’ll also learn the “select slug” drill.

You can always change the barrel back to take it hunting.

You don’t need a specialized weapon to defend your home with. All you need is to learn how to use what you already have effectively.
 
I think it depends on your home. When neighbors aren’t close it doesn’t matter as much for over penetration. Same with barrel length. Larger rooms allow more swing.
 
You could load with slugs and shorten the barrel...

Or you could leave it alone and use buck. It might be slightly unwieldy - probably worth unloading it and walking around the house, just to see if you go banging into stuff - but more than one fellow has successfully defended himself with just such a gun.
 
My primary home defense shotgun is pretty boring and was not exoensive. It's a true "riot gun", an early 70's 870 surplused from the South Dakota State Penitentiary in Sioux Falls and sold at Scheels for $199 in 2019. I had a new Kick-Ezz pad and sling studs added for "customization". It is loaded with four rounds of Federal 000 buck and is deployed next to the bed. A good 20 ga is just as capable for HD.
 
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Your 20 gauge 1100s are perfectly capable home defense tools. Especially if you can find or make an 18 1/2" barrel. A good discussion of the advantages and disadvantages of 20 gauges for home defense can be found here:

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/20-gauge-home-defense/

I would probably not recommend using slugs. Find a #2, #3, or #4 buckshot load that functions well in the gun you decide to use. Make sure that it patterns well at distances common in your house. Get some training, as @Jeff White recommends, practice what you've been trained to do, and you'll be good to go.

Here's a selection of ammo to choose from:

https://www.wikiarms.com/search?q=buck&caliber=70

Unless you really want a new gun (and who doesn't?), I'd take the money you've set aside for the new shotgun and spend it on ammo and training.
 
My primary HD firearm is a shotgun. I run a Winchester M1300 with an 18” cylinder-bore barrel, pistol grip and loaded with birdshot. I can’t imagine a more effective CQ weapon for the confines of a home.
 
My first firearm was (is) a Mossberg 500 12 gauge that came with 28-inch vent rib and a 24-inch "slugger" barrel. I eventually sold the slugger and bought a 24-inch rifled barrel with cantilever scope base and added an 18.5-inch "security" barrel. The latter became by home defense setup for a lot of years.

Then my kids came along and I picked up a Mossberg 500 Bantam in 20 gauge that came with a 24-inch vent rib. I promptly added an 18.5-inch security barrel. It's much lighter and handier than the 12 gauge, so it displaced the 12 for home defense. It sits chamber empty, with two rounds of #5 shot and three 3/4 oz slugs in the magazine. The slugs back up the shot.

Thankfully, neither the 20 nor the 12 has been needed for anything other than hunting and busting clays, and they have done a lot of that economically and without malfunction.

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Remington 870 with an 18" barrel. No slugs in the house for me. #1 buck in the chamber and extended tube. Slugs on the side carry pouch should the need arise.
 
General question : what are the odds that you as home defender will get disoriented from the shotgun blast in confined space? Did this happen to anyone? I know that when LEO’s train they use goggles and ear protection and they know it is a drill so they fully know what to expect. How hard would be for average home owner to successfully deploy shotgun?
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I find slugs extremely unpleasant to shoot
 
A shotgun inside is loud, but I'd much rather hear one shell go off vs. a magazine full of 9mm, or a few 5.56.

Given that all 3 are very close to the same decibel level of 160 dB, and the fact it's going to be much worse inside, one shot will be better than many. It's still going to damage your hearing though without protection. The solution is a suppressor. As far as I know they don't make those for shotguns. I could be wrong because I haven't researched that.
 
And, yes, I prefer a shotgun over an AR (I have one), just to allay my possibly ill-founded concerns about over penetration and shooting a neighbor's house.

Your wisdom is appreciated!

David
NM

Well-chosen .223/5.56 ammo is one of the “safest,” regarding over-penetration through human opponents and building materials. The rifle becomes a problem when one misses the intended target, there is no back-stop, and there are no-shoots down-range.

We keep shotguns at the ready, for home defense, while my AR/M4 weapons are stored empty, but that is not because I fear over-penetration issues with .223/5.56 ammo. I started using pump shotguns in the early Eighties, and Benelli autoloaders in the early Nineties, all with cross-bolt-type safeties at the rear of the trigger guard. I did not become acquainted with the AR/M4 system until 2002, when I was age 40, as part of my police training, when my employer decided to again allow patrol rifles, after September 11th, 2001. I have never learned to like the AR/M4 safety/selector, as it operates in a way that my brain sees as backwards, after having become indoctrinated in other weapon safety systems.

Plus, I have had many criminals at gun-point, during 33+ years of policing, with my personally-owned shotguns in-hand. That is much “stress inoculation,” over time. I like having that, on my side. So, my go-to home defense long gun is a Benelli M2, one of my duty shotguns. Our shared home-defense long guns are Remington 870 pump guns, which my wife prefers. One of them was also one of my duty shoguns.

I had zero humans at gun-point, with my AR15A2 Govt Carbine, when I was a designated “carbine unit,” due to rules regarding when rifles could be uncased, and in-hand. During one lengthy stand-off, it bothered me that my AR’s safety was aligned with the barrel. With my 1911 pistols, that would be off-safe. With my issued Taser, that would be off-safe. With a Third-Generation S&W auto-pistol, that would be off-safe. With a Walther PPK/s, that would be off-safe. Yes, I knew that my AR was on-safe, that night, but, during a long stand-off, one’s brain will what-if things to death, and over-think things to death. I never had such problems with my familiar shotguns. My mind is indoctrinated to check the position of a shotgun’s safety button, every time I pick it up, or put it down. Others’ experiences and preferences will vary.

To be clear, I have nothing against your Remington auto-loading shoguns. I worked for a PD that would only consider recoil-operated auto-loading shotguns for duty. Gas-operated shotguns were excluded from consideration. During my time with the PD, 1984 to 2018, the only approved-for-duty auto-loading shotguns were the Benelli M1 Super 90, and later the Benelli M2.
 
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My two go-to shotguns for HD are a Maverick 88, 18" barrel, loaded with #4 Buck 12 gauge. Also have a Winchester Model 1300, 18" barrel, with #3 Buck 20 gauge. Both are reliable and durable shotguns.
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My go to HD shotgun is a Maverick 88 18 1/2 in barrel. I keep chamber empty, safety off, and the trigger pulled so you don’t have to hold the button under to pump it. I keep the tube loaded with OO buck.
 
A 60+ year old Savage-Stevens SxS with double triggers (can fire both barrels with one pull). The side with the skeet #1 (between cylinder and imp. cyl.) has a 3" OO Buck while the other side (I.C.) has a 3" #4 Buck. That is 15 and 40 pellets respectively. This gun is hanging on a wall rack next to the bed. Also on this rack are my AK 47 with a 40 rd. magazine and my GP-100 in its holster hanging on one of the hooks.

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While I completely love my HD shotgun it is unwieldy around the house when I tested it.
If something were to go "bump in the night" downstairs never will I stray from my bedroom.
My plan would be to silently remain in the bedroom while carefully listening to the home.
 
I use a couple of shotgun type weapons along with other firearms for home defense. I have a Winchester 1897 riot shotgun in 12 ga and my disabled wife prefers a Mossberg shockwave with 12 ga mini shells. I also have a shockwave in 20 ga that is equally nice and that I thought she would prefer, but she really likes the 12 ga mini shells.
I also have a registered Benelli short barreled semi-auto shotgun in 12 ga that is probably my favorite home defense shotgun.

Were I in the market for another home defense shotgun I saw that Rock Island Armory has a very nice 18.5" marinecoat pump action riot gun for under $300.
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-li...pump-action-185-5rd-nickel-finish-heat-shield

What I like about shotguns as home defense weapons is that everyone in my home has shot each model enough to feel comfortable using them and they are simple enough to use that no one is likely to freeze up trying to remember the manual of arms in the heat of the moment.
 
I prefer a 20--less recoil and lower sound pressure.

But--I cannot carry a long arm around with me, and I have no idea where I will be when the balloon goes up. I rely on a holstered pistol.
 
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