Homicide Rates Around the World

[Steel Horse Rider]

If you believe the "misinformation" put out by the press and certain politicians you would think that the United States is the most dangerous country in the world but this article digs into the actual real statistics. The surprising thing to me was how high the homicide rate of the US Virgin Islands ranked.

Is America really the most gun violent nation?

December 21, 2023. A 24-year-old man murdered his father, then shot up a university, killing 14 and wounding 25 before killing himself. Just another horror story from gun violent America? Not quite. It happened in Prague, the Czech Republic. How...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[theotherwaldo]

America is far from the most violent nation in the world, but we do have have half-a-dozen of the more violent cities.
Once they are excluded from the totals, America is one of the least violent nations... .

 

[CapnMac]

"Lies, d_mn Lies, and statistics" Attributed to Samuel Clements, aka Mark Twain.

 

[IJ1981]

You are certainly correct, Waldo. Take our 6 most violent cities, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis and St. Louis out of the equation of 3058 counties in the USA and we are among the most peaceful of nations.

 

[GRIZ22]

You are certainly correct, Waldo. Take our 6 most violent cities, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis and St. Louis out of the equation of 3058 counties in the USA and we are among the most peaceful of nations.

Coincidently the 6 most violent cities are all run by Democrats.

 

[Boom Vang]

...The surprising thing to me was how high the homicide rate of the US Virgin Islands ranked.

Yup, bad juju. Visit the BVI, and leave the USVI to the savages.

 

[I6turbo]

Coincidently the 6 most violent cities are all run by Democrats.

And have been for decades. Their utopia has yet to materialize, anywhere, but trust them, they only need to implement more of their policies, THEN everything will be rainbows and unicorns. People are basically good if you eliminate the rule of law and declare criminals to be the victims.
: /sarcasm and disgust:

Letting killers and muggers run wild has consequences that are measured in human blood, it turns out.

 

[.38 Special]

Many years ago I hosted a fellow visiting from England, and we spent a day driving around Los Angeles county. Afterwards he noted that he had been worried about crime and had envisioned gun battles on every street corner, but was surprised by how safe he ended up feeling. I pointed out that our violent crime tended to be concentrated in certain areas - "Remember that offramp that I said should never be taken under any circumstances?" - and he noted that in England it was much more diffuse, with few places truly dangerous, but nowhere really safe, either.

That was dozens of years ago, so don't know if it still is true in England - but I'm typing this from my office in the safest large city in America, and yet could be in South L.A. in 45 minutes.

 

[IJ1981]

To face the facts of violent crime. Black males account for 7% of the USA population yet account for over 50% of murders annually and close to 50% of all violent crime.

90% of the 50% murders are black on black crimes.

 

[rabid wombat]

I would really like to see the update to this….

“The worst 1% of counties have 19% of the population and 37% of the murders. The worst 2% of counties contain 28% of the population and 51% of the murders. The worst 5% of counties contain 47% of the population and account for 68% of murders. But even within those counties the murders are very heavily concentrated in small areas.”

Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders

You can examine the picture of the US counties in more detail by opening it in a new tab. The Distribution of murders The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places w…

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[reddog81]

To face the facts of violent crime. Black males account for 7% of the USA population yet account for over 50% of murders annually and close to 50% of all violent crime.

90% of the 50% murders are black on black crimes.

Where I live 70% of the murders are black on black.

 

[armoredman]

If you believe the "misinformation" put out by the press and certain politicians you would think that the United States is the most dangerous country in the world but this article digs into the actual real statistics. The surprising thing to me was how high the homicide rate of the US Virgin Islands ranked.

Is America really the most gun violent nation?

December 21, 2023. A 24-year-old man murdered his father, then shot up a university, killing 14 and wounding 25 before killing himself. Just another horror story from gun violent America? Not quite. It happened in Prague, the Czech Republic. How...

www.americanthinker.com

The funny thing is I read the title really quickly and had to do a double take, wondering about the homicidal rats around the world...

 

[lemaymiami]

Let’s see… Democrat run big cities with serious crime problems… Surprise, surprise, surprise

 

[doubleh]

You are certainly correct, Waldo. Take our 6 most violent cities, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis and St. Louis out of the equation of 3058 counties in the USA and we are among the most peaceful of nations.

That does not fit the anti-gunner agenda. We will never be safe until no one except certain government agencies have guns. Yeah, sure, and if anyone believes that I have a bridge on the south plains of NM I will sell you for a very good price.

Anyone remember what happened to England after their last gun grab quite a few years ago?

 

[DustyGmt]

Yeah what is it, like remove 2 or 3 cities like Chicago, Memphis and maybe Newark and we rank 37th or something like that.

 

[buck460XVR]

You are certainly correct, Waldo. Take our 6 most violent cities, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis and St. Louis out of the equation of 3058 counties in the USA and we are among the most peaceful of nations.

Where I live 70% of the murders are black on black.

....and here we go, doing exactly what we whine about the anti's doing, cherry picking and juggling numbers in an attempt of denialism. If we look at the numbers from highly developed nations like the U.S., iffin I remember correctly, we are a lot higher up the ladder.

Don't get me wrong folks, I ain't trying to say we need more gun control, nor that we even have a gun problem. What I'm saying is, we got an issue. It's an issue of anger, hate and little to no value of the lives of others. We also have an issue of Mental health in our country. These are the issues we need to fix. But denying their existence is not the solution or a fix. Nor is imposing more gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

JMTCs.

 

[230RN]

"Cherry picking" are fightin' words. Simply selecting relevant numbers is merely quoting.

Besides, if we're guilty of "cherry picking," we are just using Leftist tactics against the antis. And it's about time.

"Antis...?" "Leftists...?" You know darned well who I mean, so don't go all "Debating Club" after that usage.

Terry, 230RN

 

[reddog81]

It’s not a matter of cherry picking. It’s a matter of addressing what the real issues are.

A lot of the larger cities are trying to use violence interrupters to address situations before they result in bloodshed. It will be interesting to see if this makes any substantial impact because banning assault weapons isn’t going to do much.

 

[JohnKSa]

Lots of edits/deletions to keep things on topic.

...we do have have half-a-dozen of the more violent cities.
Once they are excluded from the totals, America is one of the least violent nations... .

Take our 6 most violent cities, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis and St. Louis out of the equation of 3058 counties in the USA and we are among the most peaceful of nations.

This skews things badly. If you want to do a fair comparison like this you should also take out the top 6 most violent cities in each of the other nations you are comparing to.

 

[Jim Watson]

There was a "study" done some years ago that compared Seattle and Vancouver to "prove" that Euro-style gun control reduced violent crime. Hey, similar population, same end of the continent, how can you beat it?
Some mean old gun nut went in and balanced out race and ethnicity, assuming equal demographics.
Oops. Seattle didn't look so bad if it had the same breakdown as Vancouver.

 

[bearcreek]

Don't get me wrong folks, I ain't trying to say we need more gun control, nor that we even have a gun problem. What I'm saying is, we got an issue. It's an issue of anger, hate and little to no value of the lives of others. We also have an issue of Mental health in our country. These are the issues we need to fix. But denying their existence is not the solution or a fix. Nor is imposing more gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

JMTCs.

Yup. The problem is cultural. There is no governmental solution.

You are certainly correct, Waldo. Take our 6 most violent cities, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis and St. Louis out of the equation of 3058 counties in the USA and we are among the most peaceful of nations.

So, half of the 6 most violent cities are in states with complete state firearms law preemption and what most here would consider to be "good" gun laws.

Coincidently the 6 most violent cities are all run by Democrats.

Let’s see… Democrat run big cities with serious crime problems… Surprise, surprise, surprise

Obviously most of the violent cities are going to have Democrat governments since most cities in general have Democrat governments. Correlation can be related to, but does not automatically equal, causation.

 

[Kevin5098]

But it's not really about making our cities or our Country safer, is it?

 

[gunny2]

....and here we go, doing exactly what we whine about the anti's doing, cherry picking and juggling numbers in an attempt of denialism. If we look at the numbers from highly developed nations like the U.S., iffin I remember correctly, we are a lot higher up the ladder.

Don't get me wrong folks, I ain't trying to say we need more gun control, nor that we even have a gun problem. What I'm saying is, we got an issue. It's an issue of anger, hate and little to no value of the lives of others. We also have an issue of Mental health in our country. These are the issues we need to fix. But denying their existence is not the solution or a fix. Nor is imposing more gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

JMTCs.

Someone gets it, thank you. Saying "well if you don't count these big cities..." is pointless and ludicrous: they count.

Gun control is not an yes/no issue; it's a question of degree. It's also a complex (and obviously very touchy) subject and I have seen people across the entire spectrum of viewpoints play the statistics game to supposedly "prove" their viewpoint.

 

[230RN]

Someone said,

""Gun control is not an yes/no issue; it's a question of degree. "

What if your degree doesn't match my degree?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed except to a degree.

Those old boys knew what they were talking about, and stated that right in the most compact terms possible. They also mentioned that "...a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire,in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added... "

If you don't like the way 2a reads, remember that particular freedom (as well as the others) came at a high price. And don't you dare use the word "reasonable" in my presence. The "reasons" were carefully considered by the inventors of our country.

What if your reasonable doesn't match my reasonable?

Terry, 230RN

 

[lemaymiami]

Just for Bearcreak.... If you live in one of the above described big cities you'd have a hard time not believing that their current governments bear a good bit of responsibility for current conditions.... This from a guy who worked the streets during the height of the cocaine cowboy era down here in paradise....