House to move toward vote on Assault Weapons ban - 1st time in decades

[citizenconn]

I am somewhat taken aback as to how many posters so far have said "this won't pass." Really? Senate is a 50-50 split between R and D. Normally that would make me bite my nails about gun control. But the fact that 10 signed on to the Cornyn gun control package already shows a willingness for Republicans to sell gun rights down the river. So a new AWB has already passed the House, a more realistic 60-40 division in the Senate, and a Democrat in the White House who ran on a gun control platform. I think this has a very real chance of passing. The Heller decision was in 2008 and the Buren decision was just a few weeks ago. I do not even see the Supreme Court helping fight this ban until it has gone through all the lower appellate courts a few times. I know how my Congress critters are going to vote on this, against, and I am still emailing them every chance I get.

I think you are correct. Several R's are not running for re-election, several because they know their poor voting record as regards supporting conservative values is repugnant, and they will vote for this bill as a final F-you to their constituents.

 

[Spats McGee]

I've edited the OP to link to the actual bill. At least, I think I got the right one.

 

[Styx]

I am somewhat taken aback as to how many posters so far have said "this won't pass." Really? Senate is a 50-50 split between R and D. Normally that would make me bite my nails about gun control. But the fact that 10 signed on to the Cornyn gun control package already shows a willingness for Republicans to sell gun rights down the river. So a new AWB has already passed the House, a more realistic 60-40 division in the Senate, and a Democrat in the White House who ran on a gun control platform. I think this has a very real chance of passing. The Heller decision was in 2008 and the Buren decision was just a few weeks ago. I do not even see the Supreme Court helping fight this ban until it has gone through all the lower appellate courts a few times. I know how my Congress critters are going to vote on this, against, and I am still emailing them every chance I get.

I think you are correct. Several R's are not running for re-election, several because they know their poor voting record as regards supporting conservative values is repugnant, and they will vote for this bill as a final F-you to their constituents.

I do not get why Dem and Repub voters have it in their heads that Congress members of either party are monolithic and should vote in lockstep according to some purity test and guidelines set by the DNC and RNC.

They each Representative represents their constituents period. That means that Republicans elected in blue states might vote more liberal on some topics and vis versa for Dems in red states. People need to get it out of their heads that party philosophy and representing the entire country should trump the House and Senate members' responsibility to represent their local constituents. Just because you are a Republican or Democrat does not mean you should have to or be expected to vote monolithically. I also do not understand why voters lash out against and bash all Republicans in Congress bashed on how a small percentage vote.

With that said, all gun control measures are not the same. Just because 10 Republicans supported specific gin control measures related to red flag laws and domestic violence doesn't mean they by default will support any and every other gun control measures that come before them. If Democrats had those same 10 Republicans' support/vote on AWB, age limits, etc, they would have put it up for a vote...

 

[citizenconn]

If Democrats had those same 10 Republicans' support/vote on AWB, age limits, etc, they would have put it up for a vote...

Well we are likely to find out very soon.

 

[AlexanderA]

Disarming the general population defacto means those in power are the only ones remaining with the arms. It's not that they necessarily "armed" their followers, because they were armed all along, often by the very words which act to disarm the general population.

There are two kinds of "tyrants" -- those who are already in power, and abuse their authority, and those who come to power through insurrection. You are speaking of the first kind. Most of the tyrants in the modern world came to power through some kind of insurrection, so it was a matter of arming their followers as outsiders.

 

[12Bravo20]

I think you are correct. Several R's are not running for re-election, several because they know their poor voting record as regards supporting conservative values is repugnant, and they will vote for this bill as a final F-you to their constituents.

It would not surprise me. Especially with Roy Blunt since he voted for the last bill that passed. He is retiring and doesn't care what the people of Missouri want.

 

[Mk-211]

But but but, Trump said "who's afraid of the NRA"?

Gun owners sat by quietly BUT he's "my president" they exclaimed!

He had the BATF ban bumpstocks and gun owners sat quietly BUT he's "my president" they exclaimed!!

He had a little baby fit and blamed EVERYONE for losing, tried an insurrection (like a tyrant) and gun owners STILL claim he's "my president"!!!

Oh yeah, the NRA welcomed him with open arms, how many times?

There are so many reasons (535 to be exact) that we need the 2A and to never trust ANY politicians!

Don't EVER think it can't happen!

 

[citizenconn]

never trust ANY politicians!

Here's the Reader's Digest condensed version.

 

[Mark_Mark]

But but but, Trump said "who's afraid of the NRA"?

Gun owners sat by quietly BUT he's "my president" they exclaimed!

He had the BATF ban bumpstocks and gun owners sat quietly BUT he's "my president" they exclaimed!!

He had a little baby fit and blamed EVERYONE for losing, tried an insurrection (like a tyrant) and gun owners STILL claim he's "my president"!!!

Oh yeah, the NRA welcomed him with open arms, how many times?

There are so many reasons (535 to be exact) that we need the 2A and to never trust ANY politicians!

Don't EVER think it can't happen!

100%!

don’t trust politicians and corporations

keep your eyes on the MONEY

 

[AlexanderA]

to never trust ANY politicians!

Fortunately or unfortunately, it's the only system we have.

Non politicians (that is, people not democratically elected) taking over is the very definition of tyranny.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Fortunately or unfortunately, it's the only system we have.

Non politicians (that is, people not democratically elected) taking over is the very definition of tyranny.

wish they had term limits and better control over corruption

 

[crstrode]

Let's keep politics out of it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is all politics all the time, when it comes to gun control.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

There are two kinds of "tyrants" -- those who are already in power, and abuse their authority, and those who come to power through insurrection. You are speaking of the first kind. Most of the tyrants in the modern world came to power through some kind of insurrection, so it was a matter of arming their followers as outsiders.

While I can agree in principle on this, history has proven that in the long term ALL governments tend towards increasing tyranny and even collapse. Governments are, by definition, all about exerting power over citizens...because that's their stated purpose. It has long been considered a "necessary evil" because of this.

For humans to co-exist on societies, there must be rules which determine what is and is not acceptable as well as a means to enforce these rules. This is seen down to the smallest family unit.

It is also part of human nature that people will gravitate towards power and eventually, if not from the start, exercise it abusively.

Mankind is in a constant battle over this.

We have a few millennia of history to observe this.

 

[Styx]

Well we are likely to find out very soon.

@herrwalther

They already tried to push more through, but they couldn't even get the ban until age of 21 or capacity limits pushed through after another mass murder of children happened, and when Democrats had the gun control tailwinds blowing in their favor nationally. They had to take that part out because they didn't have votes. Not sure I can see a consensus on an AWB happen or any other gun control before Republicans take back the Senate.

Next, even though we bash Republicans in Congress all the time, they succeeded in preventing any gun control from passing for over a decade most of which Democrats were in power. They also succeeded in keeping Democrats from having two SCOTUS appointments which resulted in us having a super majority in SCOTUS and the first landmark pro gun since 2010.

Give then some credit and support. Republicans in Congress held off gun control despite Trump, the NRA, and Democrats lobbying hard for it.

 

[herrwalther]

Give then some credit and support. Republicans in Congress held off gun control despite Trump, the NRA, and Democrats lobbying hard for it.

With that said, all gun control measures are not the same. Just because 10 Republicans supported specific gin control measures related to red flag laws and domestic violence doesn't mean they by default will support any and every other gun control measures that come before them. If Democrats had those same 10 Republicans' support/vote on AWB, age limits, etc, they would have put it up for a vote...

You can believe that if you want to. I don't trust the Supreme Court, the president, or anyone with an R or D next to their name to defend gun rights.

 

[Styx]

You can believe that if you want to. I don't trust the Supreme Court, the president, or anyone with an R or D next to their name to defend gun rights.

That is your right. I tend to make my debased on fact. The facts Do not support that the current SCOTUS or the vast majority of Republicans in Congress support or will vote for gun control, and other than conspiracy theories and feelings based arguments, no one else has made a valid fact filled argument to make me change my mind. The anti SCOTUS and anti Republican rhetoric doesn't coincide with the facts of the matter. SCOTUS litterally just defend gun rights by the way...

I respect your opinion though.

 

[Robert]

We've got 5 pages of all manner of opinion on the matter. Let's take a deep breath and take a break from this one for a while.