FWIW, Assault weapons now include all semi-automatic firearms

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Walkalong said:
We should refer to ARs as semi auto rifles, which is what they are, but as far as the media, most non gun people, all the antis, and many of us, they'll continue to call then assault rifles.

We can never go back and stop the use of the incorrect use of the term, but we should still call them semi autos.

Many call them that through ignorance, but the antis, at least one in this thread, and the anti friendly media will continue to attempt to stir up emotion/anti gun sentiment/votes with the scary term Assault Rifle.
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With 20/20 hindsight, the "AR" name was really unfortunate.
 
There won't be a revolution. Most people just don't care. As long as the fridge is stocked with beer, the game is on, and they can choose whichever pizza they want to be delivered to their door, the people won't revolt. Revolutions don't happen when people are fat and comfortable. What I fear is that one day soon anything firearm related will become one of those issues that you're either against, or you keep your mouth shut. That could potentially happen without any laws even being passed.
 
As posted, whining about incorrect wording is a waste of time because that boat has sailed, the antis, the media, and those here sympathetic to their agenda will continue to use the more inflammatory term assault rifle. That is what we are fighting against in the court of public opinion.
 
I agree. The media like military style semi auto as that implies no civilian legit usage. I note that some current ban legislation still exempts the Ruger guns.
 
shafter said:
There won't be a revolution. Most people just don't care. As long as the fridge is stocked with beer, the game is on, and they can choose whichever pizza they want to be delivered to their door, the people won't revolt. Revolutions don't happen when people are fat and comfortable. What I fear is that one day soon anything firearm related will become one of those issues that you're either against, or you keep your mouth shut. That could potentially happen without any laws even being passed.
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How do you know the fridge will always be stocked? How do you know people will always be fat and comfortable?
One problem I have with the "there will/won't be a revolution" crowd is always "IF THEY GRAB THE GUNZ>>>WE START THE WAR!!!" side always says it's the guns. Maybe, but even the Colonists in 1776 had more grievances. Tax Acts, Quartering Acts, Tea Tax....it was really only the gun grab at Lexington & Concord that started the shooting war, since it was realized that after the guns were gone, fighting would be exponentially harder or even impossible.
The people saying there won't be a revolution talk about being "fat and happy" or....if they're the cynical type, lazy. Maybe, but it took 3% to fight the first revolution, and it was supported by a minority of others. We could probably muster that ...May God prevent the necessity!

We have grievances today, but we also have peaceful avenues to pursue solutions. We are losing some of those to political correctness, but even that doesn't have to continue.

I'm not by any means aching for a Civil War 2.0. It would be a disaster. But we're nearing a turning point, and we need to WAKE UP!!!!!!
 
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All this talk of gun bans will have the net effect of supercharging gun sales for the next two years. This is a much-needed shot in the arm for a flagging industry, and should also stabilize falling prices. And the boost in sales will be in direct proportion to how seriously the threat is taken.

The possibility of an AWB is pretty much a given. It's not really a question of if, but of when. But the crucial question is grandfathering. A ban with grandfathering is pretty much meaningless, given the huge numbers of "banned" guns in existence, and the additional millions to be produced between now and the effective date of a ban. The antigunners are slowly waking up to this, and we find more and more of them jumping on the confiscation bandwagon (Beto O'Rourke is the latest to do this). But the antigunners are way ahead of the public on this, and they are flirting with a huge defeat if they persist. Whether to have grandfathering, or not, will be the focus of the struggle for the next few years. All other gun issues fade into insignificance in comparison.

ETA: And if there is grandfathering, it makes a big difference whether it's grandfathering with registration, or without registration. (Registration would facilitate reneging and confiscation later.) So far, H.R. 1296 (the leading AWB bill) has grandfathering without registration, although it would require future transfers to go through FFL's.
 
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I disagree about grandfathering. I'm not sure even a ban is inevitable, but I agree it seems to be more likely now than during other situations post shootout.
A grandfathering ban might be easier to push through the kongress than a confiscatory ban.

Either way though, it won't be the last thing the antigunners do!
 
Forget about grandfathering.

It's time to abolish the silly arbitrary use of "assault weapon" for convenience of gun confiscation/gun ban by the anti-gun/2A crowd/law makers.

Time for us to stand up for our gun rights/2A. It is WAR!

Support the CRPA lawsuit against CA's AW ban and let's "ban" the arbitrary use of the term "assault weapon" and free all semi-auto rifles ;):D - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...a-nra-lawsuit-filed-against-ca-aw-ban.854994/
 
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bds said:
Forget about grandfathering.
Time for us to stand up for our gun rights/2A. It is WAR!
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I wish we had the luxury of forgetting about grandfathering. It doesn't take a genius to see that sometime soon -- say, within the next 5 years -- some form of AWB will pass. We need to find a way to make the best of a bad situation.

The pressure to enact something will get greater and greater with each mass shooting. And the mass shootings won't stop unless we take the lead in denying these kooks their weapons. This is a matter of self-preservation for ourselves.
 
Did my eyes deceive me or are Palmetto State Armory AR and AK products not listed in the banned list listed by manufacturer?
 
AlexanderA said:
I wish we had the luxury of forgetting about grandfathering. It doesn't take a genius to see that sometime soon -- say, within the next 5 years -- some form of AWB will pass. We need to find a way to make the best of a bad situation.

The pressure to enact something will get greater and greater with each mass shooting. And the mass shootings won't stop unless we take the lead in denying these kooks their weapons. This is a matter of self-preservation for ourselves.
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The latest two "kooks" purchased their firearms legally under the current laws. Give me ONE law, that would have prevented them from buying a firearm. Just one.
 
bds said:
Why the silence?
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Frankly, I find this attempt to call me out to be offensive. If you must know, I wasn't at my computer for the last couple of hours.

To answer your question, my vote hardly makes a difference in Virginia, because it's a foregone conclusion that the state will vote blue. Therefore I can "waste" my vote, or not vote at all. That's what I did in 2016, because neither Hillary nor Trump was palatable to me.

Normally, I would vote for a pro-gun Democrat, such as former Senator Jim Webb. I would not vote for Trump under any circumstances, for reasons other than guns. His stance on immigration, for example, is absolutely hateful to me, since I'm an immigrant myself. (I was born in Greece and was brought here -- legally -- by my parents at the age of three.)
 
AlexanderA said:
I wish we had the luxury of forgetting about grandfathering. It doesn't take a genius to see that sometime soon -- say, within the next 5 years -- some form of AWB will pass. We need to find a way to make the best of a bad situation.
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It's really just a stopgap measure.
Food for thought: California's "assault weapon" ban, all iterations of it, allows grandfathering but not inheritance. There will be a point where no legally registered "assault weapon" will be around in the state as the generations pass. Fighting this stuff head-on is the only path.
 
Texas10mm said:
The latest two "kooks" purchased their firearms legally under the current laws. Give me ONE law, that would have prevented them from buying a firearm. Just one.
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Wasn't it scumbag Lanza who attempted to buy a gun and was denied? And yet people screamed that the system failed. It worked, and it still didn't matter.
 
badkarmamib said:
So, if we accept an AWB, the mass shootings will end?
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Texas10mm said:
The latest two "kooks" purchased their firearms legally under the current laws. Give me ONE law, that would have prevented them from buying a firearm. Just one.
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What I'm saying is that the gun community itself must take more responsibility in making sure that problematic people don't get guns. That doesn't necessarily mean more laws. It means an adjustment in attitudes. Every one of us, for example, needs to do due diligence in vetting buyers of our guns. (The attitude that I see too often, even on this board, is that people will sell to anyone that has the money and an in-state driver's license, with no further questions asked.) As to the latest two mass shooters, they may have legally passed muster to buy from a dealer, but clearly there were things about them that should have disqualified them. As I said, this is not a matter of laws but a matter of personal judgement on the part of the gun supplier.

Maybe there is absolutely nothing that can be done to prevent such tragedies. In that case, the tragedies will continue to pile up, and we will have round after round of increasingly restrictive gun laws. Of course they'll do nothing to solve the problem, but we'll get them anyway.
 
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