How come there are shotguns that are 10k+?
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oneounceload
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I have NEVER seen ANYONE win a sporting clays shoot with a pump or SxS, unless the shoot was only for those guns - what shoot championships have you won?
There is always someone who claims this, but there is never any proof............
rbernie
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These kinds of flippant answers always grate on my nerves, both because they are incorrect and because they play upon class envy that I find highly objectionable and immature.
Expensive shotguns are simply made of better designed parts that are made of better materials, fitted together better, finished better, and custom fitted to the specific shooter. That level of visual, aesthetic, mechanical, and functional optimization may not be needed for how you use a shotgun (for example, my everyday gun is an 870 or a Nova) but that does not mean that it is irrelevant or unneeded.
Exactly so. For folks that shoot a lot, and need the gun to function like clockwork and without exception every single shot, putting a lot of money into a single well-crafted platform makes a lot of sense....
XxWINxX94
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Alot of them are all around fancy, intricate, and hand-fitted/made and what not. I remember a guy at a gun show had a Parker 12ga from around 1900 with the orignal box and wanted around 20 grand for it. The gun looked great, and Parkers seem to be the Cadillac of older shotguns. So it seems like a "looks good, shoots good, I like it, its fancy thing." Same thing seems to be true with cars.
mcdonl
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A former boss... well... there was an AVP and VP between us... but he was still my boss, but none-the-less he was still my boss.... when he retired as the president he pretty much started shooting IDPA and shotgun sports full time.
His guns were just amazing. I would not even shoot them, having been offered the chance. I know he spent upwards of $10K on each of the shotguns.
His guns were just amazing. I would not even shoot them, having been offered the chance. I know he spent upwards of $10K on each of the shotguns.
451 Detonics
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I won a QU sporting Clays shoot with a SXS but I was also the Indiana State Muzzle Loading Skeet Champion that year. I firmly believe a SXS can compete with a O/U if you are used to shooting one.
Texas Gun Person
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Shooting clays is 90% mental in my opinion. I wouldn't feel "out gunned" by a few guys with Perazzi's, Kreighoff's, and Kolar's. It's well known that a $500 12 gauge can break clays just like a $20,000 12 gauge.
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I'm not a competition shooter, I don't enter any organized shoots, I just shoot informally. If that statement sounded boastful, I should clarify, I'm not claiming to be that great of a shooter. (I typically only shoot high-70's to low-80's). I don't make it out to shoot that often, but amongst the company I shoot with when I do, I usually finish near or at the top of a group of half to a dozen shooters, and give them a good natured ribbing about there expensive guns (not the $10k+ guns were talking about here, just $2k-$3k O/U's, and there are some days I don't finish high, and have to take that ribbing, too).oneounceload said:
Because this is America. I'm damn proud to live in a country where one can buy a $10,000 shotgun if they wish and have a job that allows them to do so. I don't have a $10,000 shotgun, but I do have a $4,000 over/under Caesar Guerini. I also have 3 Remington 870's. I love my 870's but I also really enjoy shooting the Guerini on the trap and clay target range. Nice stuff is made to be enjoyed and I feel very blessed that I have a few nice things.
evan price
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There is a show called How It's Made and one of the episodes features Holland & Holland of London, England making those nice, pricey doubles.
When you spend at least 40 hours of hand labor just making the stock- not including hand fitting it together to the action- from a hand selected piece of premium rare wood you see the price. These guns are made from oversize parts and individually hand-fitted together so no two guns are alike or truly interchangeable. Then you start paying for the hand engraving, hand checkering, inlays, custom finishes...did I mention everything is done BY HAND by master craftsmen?
A $200,000 set of H&H guns is quite easy to add up.
There was an episode of Top Gear where they showed a Range Rover Estate which was a limited edition shooting brake. The truck came with a custom fitted gun case under the back seat and a set of Purdey or H&H drillings & doubles (can't remember which). Jeremy Clarkson said the guns were worth more than the truck- lots more than the truck.
Do they go BANG and spit lead shot out the barrels? Yes. Just like a Hyundai Sonata and a Mercedes Maybach both get you to Burger King.
When you spend at least 40 hours of hand labor just making the stock- not including hand fitting it together to the action- from a hand selected piece of premium rare wood you see the price. These guns are made from oversize parts and individually hand-fitted together so no two guns are alike or truly interchangeable. Then you start paying for the hand engraving, hand checkering, inlays, custom finishes...did I mention everything is done BY HAND by master craftsmen?
A $200,000 set of H&H guns is quite easy to add up.
There was an episode of Top Gear where they showed a Range Rover Estate which was a limited edition shooting brake. The truck came with a custom fitted gun case under the back seat and a set of Purdey or H&H drillings & doubles (can't remember which). Jeremy Clarkson said the guns were worth more than the truck- lots more than the truck.
Do they go BANG and spit lead shot out the barrels? Yes. Just like a Hyundai Sonata and a Mercedes Maybach both get you to Burger King.
Because a quality gun like a Perazzi will last for hundreds of thousands of rounds. Because the bore is perfectly polished from the factory and throws amazing patterns right out of the box. Because the balance is just right. Because the wood is amazing and the engraving breathtaking. Because they can.
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Titanium barrels Arnt cheap?
JohnBT
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"How come there are shotguns that are 10k+?"
Because not everyone wants to shoot an inexpensive, hastily assembled shotgun with lots of rough edges?
"It's well known that a $500 12 gauge can break clays just like a $20,000 12 gauge."
And it's well known that the tortoise can outrun the hare. Sometimes anyway. For a short distance. Maybe.
Because not everyone wants to shoot an inexpensive, hastily assembled shotgun with lots of rough edges?
"It's well known that a $500 12 gauge can break clays just like a $20,000 12 gauge."
And it's well known that the tortoise can outrun the hare. Sometimes anyway. For a short distance. Maybe.
UKarmourer
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Go visit the Purdey website, 18 month waiting list anyone?
Hoping for factory visit soon (friend has a guy working for him in thevreserves who works there)
i would love to have the talent to make those! ( rather than the money to buy one!)
Hoping for factory visit soon (friend has a guy working for him in thevreserves who works there)
i would love to have the talent to make those! ( rather than the money to buy one!)
Sam Cade
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Now that is a title that you have to work HARD for!!
kev778
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I just went to the range last night and shot 3 rounds on the trap range with my $700 Rem 870 Wingmaster. BTW, I only use that gun for clays. And I shoot skeet, wobble, and sporting clays as well. I am better at skeet than trap believe it or not.
Trap last night:
1st round hit 15
2nd round hit 10
3rd round hit 13
I just started this past November and probably have shot no more than 15 rounds on trap (Ever in my life) So I am just a noob. I feel that is pretty good. Not stellar, but as good as some of them with O/U's. I was shooting with a kid on the skeet and wobble range 2 weeks ago that uses a Mossberg 500 pump and he was easily hitting high teens to low 20's every round...
So, the moral is NOTHING is impossible. practice, practice, practice is the name of the game!!
Trap last night:
1st round hit 15
2nd round hit 10
3rd round hit 13
I just started this past November and probably have shot no more than 15 rounds on trap (Ever in my life) So I am just a noob. I feel that is pretty good. Not stellar, but as good as some of them with O/U's. I was shooting with a kid on the skeet and wobble range 2 weeks ago that uses a Mossberg 500 pump and he was easily hitting high teens to low 20's every round...
So, the moral is NOTHING is impossible. practice, practice, practice is the name of the game!!
throdgrain
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I saw that too
oneounceload
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As did my wife with sporting clays - she shoots a Beretta semi........after about 7 rounds, she is averaging 50/100......her gun FITS.........something that most pumps do not do.....again a pump is a somewhat decent jack-of-all-trades.....but it is a master of none
Ole Humpback
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The reason there are guns that cost that much is because some of us appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into those guns.
I personally value interchangable parts a bit too much, so I could never go for a truly handmade gun as anything other than a fun clays/conversation piece gun, but $8k for a custom fitted and engraved Browning would definitly be something that I'd lug around in the field.
I've shot some very nice Krighoffs & Perazzis, and I can tell you that those O/U's far outstripped my Belgian made Sweet 16 in quality & feel.
I personally value interchangable parts a bit too much, so I could never go for a truly handmade gun as anything other than a fun clays/conversation piece gun, but $8k for a custom fitted and engraved Browning would definitly be something that I'd lug around in the field.
I've shot some very nice Krighoffs & Perazzis, and I can tell you that those O/U's far outstripped my Belgian made Sweet 16 in quality & feel.
Six
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Stupid question then:
If you spend tens of thousands of dollars on a shotgun, and expect to put a million rounds through it where every round counts, what ammo do you shoot?
I'd tend to think that $4.99 boxes from Walmart won't be the best load to take advantage of the platform.
If you spend tens of thousands of dollars on a shotgun, and expect to put a million rounds through it where every round counts, what ammo do you shoot?
I'd tend to think that $4.99 boxes from Walmart won't be the best load to take advantage of the platform.
Dave McCracken
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I've used 870s to outshoot folks with high end guns, and been outshot by folks with pumps when I used a mid grade comp gun, a Beretta 686.
Having a Stratocaster or Les Paul doesn't make you Clapton, being able to play like that does.
And while I love my 870s( and everyone else's), I show a little better on the scorecard when using that Beretta. Maybe not having to pick up hulls when shooting doubles is less fatiguing...
I also shoot lots of other people's guns, from 870 Expresses to Purdeys and Parkers. I enjoy them all.
And, I find few jerks in shotgunning. The ones I do find would be jerks whether they held a Fabbri or a J C Higgins.
Having a Stratocaster or Les Paul doesn't make you Clapton, being able to play like that does.
And while I love my 870s( and everyone else's), I show a little better on the scorecard when using that Beretta. Maybe not having to pick up hulls when shooting doubles is less fatiguing...
I also shoot lots of other people's guns, from 870 Expresses to Purdeys and Parkers. I enjoy them all.
And, I find few jerks in shotgunning. The ones I do find would be jerks whether they held a Fabbri or a J C Higgins.
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