how do you feel about the NRA?

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LW, why do you suppose your private gun club requires NRA membership? Could it be that they couldn't get liability insurance, or it would be so expensive you would have to pay substantially more in membership fees, if not provided through the NRA?

Seems like it's always been, the more you accomplish, the more fire you draw. If NRA was as ineffective as you'd like to think, I am sure they wouldn't be as popular a topic. You may not agree with some of their methods, but what have you accomplished in Washington lately?

If I remember correctly, the John Birch Society was fond of the hard line. Have they gotten legislation passed lately?
 
CajunTim:

I don't support the NRA.

But the NRA supports you and other Louisiana residents, Tim, and it supports the gun rights of everyone in the U.S. That's why the anti-gun groups don't support the NRA and attack it at every opportunity. They know that without the NRA you and others here would have no gun rights, only words in the Second Amendment that the anti-gun groups would be free to ignore.

In 2006 the NRA helped to pass Act 275 that forbids the confiscation of your firearms during declared emergencies such as Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

When New Orleans began to confiscate honest citizens' guns after Hurricane Katrina, the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation got a temporary restraining order to make the city stop.

The NRA and SAF also sued New Orleans and Mayor C. Ray Nagin in federal court for the return of the guns already confiscated, and those groups I support have continued to pursue those suits.

Did you know that the NRA makes it possible for you and other honest people in Louisiana to have a concealed weapons permit? True. Only an NRA-certified instructor or one certified for P.O.S.T. (Police Officer Standards and Training) can conduct the required course and certify you to the Louisiana State Police. The P.O.S.T. instructors quality with training certified by the NRA.

The NRA supported laws prohibiting firearms confiscation during declared emergencies has become law in other states too. And the NRA-backed Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006 became part of the Homeland Security Appropriations bill to prohibit any government entity--federal, state, county, city--that gets federal funds from confiscating firearms during emergencies.

Most states that require citizens to take a CWP course as a condition of getting the CWP have requirements like Louisiana's for their instructors, including NRA certification.

In fact the NRA does so much to support gun rights for Americans on the federal and state levels that it's impossible to even list all of it here. That's odd behavior for an anti-gun organization or one that's trying to limit good people's gun rights. It doesn't seem the right way to hurt you.

I and my family contribute money and time to support the NRA so it can continue to support you and others. It makes me sad that you don't support it. It makes me even sadder that so many people here join attacks on the NRA sponsored by the anti-gun groups.
 
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I think in recent years they have gone off track somewhat but if our backs are against the wall, I'd rather have the clout of the NRA than nothing at all.

That said, I am only member of the VCDL. My extra money is very limited so I have to give to the organization that directly affects me the most.
 
I think the NRA is a waste of money.

To prove this assertion, I need only point to all the "Life Members". Why be a life member? To claim you're part of the NRA without actually sending (any more) money that "funds" the NRA.

My extra money is very limited

Like the previous poster stated: It comes down to the money.
 
"To prove this assertion, I need only point to all the "Life Members". Why be a life member? To claim you're part of the NRA without actually sending (any more) money that "funds" the NRA."

Oh, ye of little faith. Nice try, but no go on the bad logic. Why would you make such a statement? I can only assume it's due to a lack of knowledge.

Don't forget those of us, yearly members and Life, who have made donations to the NRA-ILA and NRA-PVF and NRA Foundation. And don't forget that political action cannot, by federal law, be funded with dues.

And don't forget that there are memberships after the Life level.

"Contributory Life Memberships
(Offered to Fully Paid Life Members)

Endowment Member $2,000
Patron Member $3,500
Benefactor Member $5,000"

Although I will admit I didn't pay the current prices, I figure at $35 per year for a regular membership it is going take me a loooong time to break even moneywise.

John
NRA Patron Life Member
Member www.vcdl.org
 
To prove this assertion, I need only point to all the "Life Members". Why be a life member? To claim you're part of the NRA without actually sending (any more) money that "funds" the NRA

Really? My life membership cost me $500...on top of the other money I dontate yearly to them above that life membership cost. Consider how much interest the NRA may have earned with that money versus the interest the $35/year would earn them which I could still be paying.
 
I just joined for the second time. Quit last time because of all
the begging. :(
 
Dorryn said:
I think the NRA is a waste of money.

To prove this assertion, I need only point to all the "Life Members". Why be a life member? To claim you're part of the NRA without actually sending (any more) money that "funds" the NRA.

Like the previous poster stated: It comes down to the money.

Well, good thing me and almost five million other gun owners are "wasting" our money.

If we weren't, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion because there'd be nothing about owning guns to discuss.

Of course, we have many ostriches in the gun-owning world that think our gov't would NEVER infringe upon our rights whatsoever . . . unless it was for a "good cause" that benefitted the common good.

So again, keep your money and by all means, don't "waste" it by helping safeguard Constitutional Rights, educating millions of (even non-member) gun owners, teaching children what to do if they run across a gun outside the presence of an adult, helping women "refuse to be a victim," certifying instructors and law enforcement instructors, sponsoring and holding competitive shooting matches, etc etc.

You're right. The NRA is just one big collossal waste of money. Why, we must be idiots to be members.

Of course it comes down to money. Do you pay rent or a mortgage? That takes money. Do you put gasoline in your vehicles? That takes money. Do you EAT? That takes money. Do you even SHOOT? Because that takes money, too.

Funny how many gun owners think the NRA should be doing all this lobbying and work for nearly nothing, yet many of those same gun owners are too lazy or cheap to even buy a stamp and write to their elected officials.

After all, "it all comes down to money."

Jeff
 
Dorryn, I am an NRA Life Member and I contribute substantially to the NRA/ILA every year. I know many other Life Members and they do the same. I hope that your "proofs" for what you teach are better than what you offer here. Here it's uninformed opinion.

It's very important to me to protect my own gun rights. It is annoying, though, to help protect teachers who own guns but think that they help the right to keep and bear arms and other civil liberties by refusing to join the NRA and spreading misinformation about it and its members. If I could figure out a way so that I didn't have to carry you, I wouldn't.

I notice your profile entry:

What I do for the RKBA and other civil liberties:
I refuse to join the NRA.

There are many people who believe that they do a service to education by refusing to support teachers. Don't help them. They might think you don't know much about either teaching or gun rights.

NRA memberships now are $25.00 a year. That's 7 cents a day. "It's all about the money" doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense in that financial ballpark.

The adjusted average salary for teachers in Buffalo, NY, where you are is $54,039 for only nine months of work a year. Now that's more like "It's all about the money."
 
In my way of thinking, the BIG, BAD, N.R.A. is the ONLY one thing that the politicians REALLY fear.
The gun issue will still be an issue in 2008 as it has been for several past elections and the issue will NEVER go away.
Thank Providence that we have the N.R.A. for a watchdog.
Respectfully,
Zeke Life member N.R.A.
 
I am, I do. Best thing the NRA does is show politicians numbers (power). Sure would be nice to have 20 million members. Too bad so many gun owners need to be "right". Joe
 
AirForceShooter, I'm with you. I won't join the armed forces of the United States and I'm opposed to paying everyone in the military but I will buy someone in uniform a drink if I like him or her. It's what I do to support our country's defense. I'm proud to do my part. But I don't approve of everything they do and I don't think it's right to expect me to support it all. That's not fair.

Many of those people are in it just for the money anyway. I don't think they should continue to get paid after they leave the service. Military retirement pay should be abolished. Why should they continue to live off our tax money when they don't do anything to earn the money? Let them invest in retirement plans like other people.
 
Robert Hairless,

Many of those people are in it just for the money anyway.
Wow, if there's a more ignorant statement out there, I have yet to hear it. Tell that to the E-3-9s deployed overseas getting paid less than minimum wage getting shot at. I can assure you that if you spent 1 week in military service, you'd realize that our soldiers don't do it for the money.
Here's what the Enlisted troops actually make:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/2008pay/blenlbasepay.htm

An E-9 with 14 years of service is basically making 50K. Yeah. Big bucks there.

I don't think they should continue to get paid after they leave the service. Military retirement pay should be abolished. Why should they continue to live off our tax money when they don't do anything to earn the money? Let them invest in retirement plans like other people

This statement is even more ignorant than your first.
 
Hmmm.

When I talk to my hunting buddies they all complain that the NRA only works for those guys with EBR's and those who want concealed carry.

When I talk to my CMP/EBR friends, they say that the NRA is only working for the shotgun sports guys and hunters.

When I talk to my Trap and Skeet squadmates, they complain that the NRA does nothing for them and only care about EBR and CCW guys.

When I talk to my fellow pistol shooters and they say all the NRA cares about are the clay pigeon shooters and hunters.


There are the people that complain that the NRA is too strident on the 2A and they can't get anything done.

Then there are the people that who say the NRA are sellouts on everything and they don't get anything done.


There are the people who complain about the NRA's fundraising campaigns.

Then there are the people who scream "WHERE'S THE NRA ??", when the town council of Lower Bugtussle proposes an anti-2A ordinance.



Is the NRA prefect ?? Not by a long-shot, but I think they have a pretty good feel for the pulse of Congress and do a good job of representing all gunowners' interests in Congress by mitigating Anti-2A legislation and advancing/promoting Pro-2A legislation. Plus they give the Anti's nightmares and fits. You don't hear Brady, VPC, Schumer, Kennedy, et al. complaining about the GOA, JPFO and the other "No Compromise" groups, just the NRA so they must be doimg something right.


Can someone name the Canadian, Austrailian or British equavilent to the NRA ????


[.....crickets......]


Could that be why we still have our guns and they don't ????
 
My $0.02 on the NRA

Yes, I am another late-comer to the party, but here's what I think...
I am a member of the NRA and do support what they do, even if now and then they compromise a bit much. What really, really burns my fourth point of contact, though, is when I see Wayne LaPierre in his monthly columns constantly beating the anti-Democrat drum and not saying a blasted thing about the gargantuan flaws of the front-runners for the GOP presidential nomination vis-a-vis the RKBA. And I think LaPierre is doing a tremendous disservice to the cause with this approach. We all owe it to ourselves as gun owners to research it for ourselves, I know, but still I can't help but think LaPierre's approach is making it that much harder to get to where we desperately need to be, which is the point at which the RKBA is a non-partisan issue.

tinygnat219:
Many of those people are in it just for the money anyway.
Wow, if there's a more ignorant statement out there, I have yet to hear it.
I believe that quote that got you so irritated was just more of Robert Hairless' grade-A snark. Although I am sure he'll correct me if I am wrong. :D
 
tinygnat219:

Wow, if there's a more ignorant statement out there, I have yet to hear it. Tell that to the E-3-9s deployed overseas getting paid less than minimum wage getting shot at. I can assure you that if you spent 1 week in military service, you'd realize that our soldiers don't do it for the money.
Here's what the Enlisted troops actually make:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...enlbasepay.htm

An E-9 with 14 years of service is basically making 50K. Yeah. Big bucks there.


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I don't think they should continue to get paid after they leave the service. Military retirement pay should be abolished. Why should they continue to live off our tax money when they don't do anything to earn the money? Let them invest in retirement plans like other people

This statement is even more ignorant than your first.

Nah, you don't know what you're talking about. Your statements are ignorant because you believe the propaganda. All those people get room, board, transportation, medical care, insurance, and free ammunition too. And they also get paid. Most of the time they just sit or stand around doing nothing useful.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't object to paying those guys for the time they actually spend in combat. If there's an hour firefight, pay them something for that hour of work: minimum wage is more than enough for that hour in addition to everything else they get. But it's ludicrous to pay them at other times.

That's why AirForceShooter is not ignorant. "I won't join the NRA," he said. "I will and do send money to the ILA for specfic activities." Absolutely right: why contribute to the maintenance and support of an organization except at the times they do the specific things you want. I don't want to maintain or support the military except when a specific unit does what I want at the time I want it.

It's the approach we should take towards every other essential service too. I'll pay for the fire department when it puts out a fire in my house, but I don't want to pay for anything else. What right do you have to expect me to pay when it puts out a fire in your house or when it's sitting around or doing something I don't like. I've no interest in paying for police to drive around in their fancy cars, but I'll kick in a few bucks if they stop someone from murdering me, and I don't mind buying a drink for a cop if I feel in the mood.

And let's be real. The military isn't interested in winning wars. If it actually won a war its funding would stop. The military is like the NRA because they both want to keep losing so we have to keep sending them each more money. It's their business and they don't want to go out of business. The NRA wouldn't get money from us if there were no gun control and the military wouldn't get money either if there were no wars.

Fire departments don't really want to prevent fires: no fires, no money, so they set fires to keep themselves fat and happy. If fire departments really wanted to stop fires there wouldn't be any fires by now. The cops run around generating crimes and encouraging criminals just to make sure they get paid. They could have stopped all crime by now if they really wanted to. Just like the NRA, fire departments want fires and cops want murderers so they can keep the cash coming in. As Dorryn our teacher in Buffalo, NY, said so wisely, "It's all about the money."

Worst of all are doctors. They've been around much longer than the NRA. The fact that people still get sick and die is proof that doctors aren't interested in preventing disease or curing people. If they did that they couldn't get rich, own lots of homes, and drive around in fancy cars while wearing Gucci shoes. Look: I don't mind paying a doctor something once in a while if I'm ill and he cures me, but I want my money back if I get sick again.

Why can't you understand plain common sense?

That's not ignorant. If it were ignorant everybody in this thread who is not an NRA member would be appallingly ignorant and far too embarrassed to admit it. But they're not embarrassed. They're proud of it.
 
It's darn hard to follow Robert Hairless and sound intelligent, but I'll try anyway....

Originally posted by "Dorryn":
I think the NRA is a waste of money.

To prove this assertion, I need only point to all the "Life Members". Why be a life member? To claim you're part of the NRA without actually sending (any more) money that "funds" the NRA.

Please, Dorryn, do NOT join the NRA! Your hopeless ignorance might give the rest of our members a bad name. We don't need your support that badly. Your poorly stated arguments are more useful to GOA.

My brother is an avid hunter and fisherman. Four years ago he made a comment similar to yours in hunting camp. My answer then is the same to you: "If it wasn't for the NRA, and our Life Members in particular, you probably wouldn't be hunting right now. It's very likely the Anti-Gun and Anti-Hunting advocacy groups would have got their way."
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Is the NRA perfect? Nope. Nothing created by mere mortal men is perfect. Because it is created by men it is imperfect and will ALWAYS be so. I accept NRA and it's imperfections and I am willing to work with them to preserve and defend our Constitutional rights and to give them money, too. Not because I have a lot of money to give, but because some things are more precious than money. My right to defend myself and my family comes quickly to mind. [Think Washington D.C. gun ban.] Who's engaged there? The NRA's law team is the 800 lb. Gorilla in that one. And that is but one example of many, many more.<off soapbox>

Keep your money. I sincerely hope you have a more worthwhile use for it.

The NRA and our fellow members will continue to defend your 2A rights in spite of you.

Poper
 
So far, I'm not to impressed. I sent them the following email, expecting a reply of any sort, just some confirmation of what I had written them. Nothing, its been about a week now.

I got a confirmation email saying that they have recieved my inquiry and that a representative would contact me shortly...

I really wish I had the original letter as it was sent using a web page, they didn't seem to have an email address that I could use with my outlook.
 
Poor argument or not, ive never found any convincing reason TO send money to the NRA.

But sure, go low road and cast aspersions on my ability to do my career and what you think it "implies" about my hobby.

Being the generous fellow I am, I will gladly allow you (all) to feel so delightfully superior than me, all you poor, wounded martyrs who pay the NRA that singlehandedly saves all our gun rights.
 
Life member in NRA,,,also send donations once in a while. Glad they help. Will join GOA this month. In fact,,will go do it right now,,,,,
 
Some of the posts I have read bash LEO when it comes to gun rights. Please don't lump us all together as I am LEO and support the right to carry. There are several of us on my department that are NRA members and teach concealed carry classes. My opinion about concealed carry courses is that it is just another way for the government to obtian money. But remember, an armed society is a polite society.
 
Like many other groups the NRA is not perfect, but they do serve a useful role for gun rights advocates.
 
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