sturmruger
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I average about a 1.5 to 1.7 draw time with A zone hits at 10 yards. Splits are right around .22-.24. That is with my XD9 in a fobus holster.
How fast are you??
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HankB
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Assuming shoulder height is about 5 feet, that works out to a time of just under 0.56 seconds.RyanM said:
I haven't shot against a timer since I injured my shoulder, but in a local IDPA match only a few people (I was one) were under 2 seconds to draw from concealment and double-tap a 7 yard target.
Unconcealed, on a 3 yard target, I was the only one that day to consistently beat 1 second. Barely.
(Obviously, there were no IPSC Grandmasters slumming at our IDPA match that day!
)Yep, that's been my observation, too.
When measured with an electronic timer, and there are witnesses, it is amazing how very few shooters can consistently manage even a single accurate shot in anything less than 2 seconds at 7 yards.
Not sure why this is, but it seems most people shoot a lot faster when there are no witnesses ... or when accuracy isn't taken into consideration.
pax
I can shoot every bit as fast and as accurately as Rob Leatham... I just can't do both at once! -- an honest man overheard on the range
Yep. I was dry-firing only, though, and basically firing the instant I had the gun horizontal, without raising it much higher than hip level; though when practicing that with an airsoft (I'd rather have a tiny little welt than a big bleeding hole, in the event of a ****up), I was able to consistently hit a standard sized piece of paper at chest-height at 6 feet (in the same amount of time). Shotgun pattern group, but still hits. And I did manage to never shoot myself in the process.
Easy!
Throw coffee at target, throw mug at target, then either draw gun or run.
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TheDutchman
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I'll be your Huckleberry fast.
no, you don't react,draw from a pocket, hit 6" at 10 ft
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in .62 second, anything like consistently. You did it ONCE, maybe, by "jumping" and getting rid of some or all of your .22 second reaction time.
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I agree. I have not seen world champion shooters shoot that fast. I saw Ron Avery shoot 1 shot in .75 and he was ranked in the top 5 in the world at the time.
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in .62 second, anything like consistently. You did it ONCE, maybe, by "jumping" and getting rid of some or all of your .22 second reaction time.
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I agree. I have not seen world champion shooters shoot that fast. I saw Ron Avery shoot 1 shot in .75 and he was ranked in the top 5 in the world at the time.
Pat
When I was a kid, I knew a guy that was given to telling stories. I guess I looked dubious at one of his fast draw stories. He said "what! You don't believe me?" and took an out of the box repro Navy Colt, a junkie holster and belt, and tied the holster down. He said, "now stand right in front of me (2 or 3 feet away), hold your hands at shoulder width apart, look me in the eye, and clap your hands anytime you want." He could draw and drop the hammer with the barrel between my hands every time I tried. Best I could do was catch the barrel between the tips of my fingers with my hands about 4" apart to start. Old guy was fast.
Ryan M, excellent but you forgot about the cell phone. If it was your Honey on the line you had better have ended the conversation with a quick "love you, bye" before the coffee toss and emptying the magazine. Otherwise surviving the gun battle may have been not worth it in the long run.
Malamute, with all due respect...... why would you let someone draw and then "dry" fire a gun into your chest area? All guns are loaded especially when they are pointed at me.
Malamute, with all due respect...... why would you let someone draw and then "dry" fire a gun into your chest area? All guns are loaded especially when they are pointed at me.
To make it more interesting try the drill standing flat footed with the target at your 2 or 3 o'clock. Everytime I see people practicing their draws it is from a good stance square to the target or with the target over the left shoulder. This is fine for games but not for real life. Drawing and firing on a target off to the right is tricky for a right handed shooter. You have to either twist your body, move your feet, or shoot one-handed. I don't think that people prepare for the varying possibilities of the real world enough.
We do a little standards stage at our local IDPA almost every match. Standard, so concealment not required. String one is one shot 3 yards. String 2 is two shots five yards. String three is 2 body one head from 7 yards.
Last match I was 4.5 sec total time down zero. Now granted I suck and the local national IDPA champ was off shooting 3-gun out west, but I won that stage handily. String one was .88 which while not Rob Leatham fast is still kinda fast. With a g17 in an IDPA legal rig it is respectable. Of 45 shooters, some rather competent, only one other was under 1 sec for the draw and shoot 1 string. A few were in the 1.2-1.4 zone, but most were 1.6-2.3 for one shot on a huge target from 3 yards!
So now, thanks to the internet I know I am really a slug.
Last match I was 4.5 sec total time down zero. Now granted I suck and the local national IDPA champ was off shooting 3-gun out west, but I won that stage handily. String one was .88 which while not Rob Leatham fast is still kinda fast. With a g17 in an IDPA legal rig it is respectable. Of 45 shooters, some rather competent, only one other was under 1 sec for the draw and shoot 1 string. A few were in the 1.2-1.4 zone, but most were 1.6-2.3 for one shot on a huge target from 3 yards!
So now, thanks to the internet I know I am really a slug.
Harold Mayo
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1.17 to 1.22 from IWB under a sweatshirt to COM at 7 yards pretty consistently. Oddly enough, I have no idea what my speed is from OWB. Never tried it.
The older I get, the faster I was.
I have timed hundreds of shooters from C class to Grand Master and a sub one second draw in an IPSC match is a heck of a lot more rare than one would think. I have never seen a sub one second draw from concealment.
Open carry, my draw from Kydex at 5 yards runs right at .90 seconds cold and on demand. From concealment it goes up to 1.25-1.4 with my normal carry gear and outer clothing at spitting distances with a hit anywhere on an IPSC target, again cold and on demand.
To put this in perspective, the average draw time with race gear for the top shooters in Steel Challenge runs about 1.20 seconds. IPSC World Champion Eric Graufel (spelling?) has been quoted as stating he is quite pleased with a par time draw across all courses of fire of 1.2 seconds. These same guys would do demo draws at bad breath distance of around .75-.80 seconds.
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My fastest draw at an IPSC match was .85 on a classifier a couple of moths ago. I can count the number of one second draws I have done in a match on one hand.
I have timed hundreds of shooters from C class to Grand Master and a sub one second draw in an IPSC match is a heck of a lot more rare than one would think. I have never seen a sub one second draw from concealment.
Open carry, my draw from Kydex at 5 yards runs right at .90 seconds cold and on demand. From concealment it goes up to 1.25-1.4 with my normal carry gear and outer clothing at spitting distances with a hit anywhere on an IPSC target, again cold and on demand.
To put this in perspective, the average draw time with race gear for the top shooters in Steel Challenge runs about 1.20 seconds. IPSC World Champion Eric Graufel (spelling?) has been quoted as stating he is quite pleased with a par time draw across all courses of fire of 1.2 seconds. These same guys would do demo draws at bad breath distance of around .75-.80 seconds.
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My fastest draw at an IPSC match was .85 on a classifier a couple of moths ago. I can count the number of one second draws I have done in a match on one hand.
My only feat worth mentioning is that I can do a .13 to .15-ish reaction shot/drill: gun up, finger on trigger, beep-BLAM. Which I guess is pretty rare...it's not like I practice it, so I have to conclude that you can be born with a quick response time...I guess.
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griz
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I've wondered about that. For me a great reaction time is .18-.19, and usually it is at or over .2 seconds. That seems like a long time to me, but I guess it's just the way my brain talks to my finger. At first it seemed wrong because I thought the reaction should be quicker than splits, but it doesn't work out that way.
Harold Mayo
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What sucks is that times really mean nothing. Nothing at all. An instructor of mine who studies these things says that the average reaction speed of someone in a regular (i.e. civilian) confrontation without having any clue as to something about to happen (i.e. you're not more than normally alert and are not standing there anticipating anything) is 3 to 5 seconds before you actually begin to react effectively.
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JeepDriver
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My average is 1.3 sec. That's with my 226 from the holster (Blade Tech belt side) putting 2 shots in the A zone of and IPSC taget@ 21 ft. I'm about .2 faster when using my G34.
Texian Pistolero
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I am probably not fast enough to keep you from killing me,
but I am most ASSUREDLY fast enough to kill you,
while you are killing me.
pretend that this is a graded exercise, dude.
but I am most ASSUREDLY fast enough to kill you,
while you are killing me.
pretend that this is a graded exercise, dude.
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