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El Presidente in 6.78 with triple retention holster

Last year at our department's shooting competition. Turn and fire 6 rounds on 3 targets reload 6 rounds on the same 3 targets. I didn't think it was too bad considering it was from a Safriland SSIII holster.
 
I see a lot more sub 1 second draws on the internet than I ever have in a match. :) Life is funny that way.

I'm about a 1.5 on a good day. Let me clarify. Very good day.
 
I shot a local match last week, and Todd Jarrett happened to be in attendence. The two stages I watched him shoot, his draw was around 1.20 (Todd asked the scorekeeper for his first shot time.) This was with a full-house Open Para-Ord from a race holster.

Todd did not win that match.

- Chris
 
Being able to do sub-one second draws and actually choosing to hang it out that far on match day are two separate things. Just because a guy isn't hitting those draws at the match doesn't, necessarily, mean he can't...lots of folks make the decision to throttle it back to be sure the hits will be there without a doubt.

But if you could hit that 7 yd A 19 out of 20 times in .9, you'd be expecting to see it on match day.

- Gabe
 
I have no doubt at all that Todd Jarrett can pull off sub-second draws. I've seen him do it.

What I was getting at was, "What exactly does a sub-second draw buy you in competition?" Best I can tell, it doesn't buy you much if the big dogs aren't doing it. You only draw once per stage. If my draw is 0.5sec slower than Joe Blow's, all else being equal, he beats me by half a second. There are a lot of places in a stage where I could make up half a second.*

Having a consistent draw that you never fumble is more important than shaving that extra two-tenths off...especally, as you say, to be sure the hits will be there.

- Chris

* - That is, if I didn't suck so badly.
 
From this thread I gather that I need to invest in a timer. I have no idea how fast I am, but I do know that I have to hold a coin above my head to be able to draw and fire from retention before it hits the floor. Forget about better aiming than that.

I really need to start competing too, just for the experience. I've observed a few matches, but I never get to practice enough to not embarrass myself.
 
Well, I agree and disagree that a fast draw is not the greatest need in competition, or real life for that matter. I agree in that it is more important to get the gun out consistently and find the front sight/index depending on target and range. I also agree as to what Harold said, a .03 draw from triple retention deep cover doesn't mean squat if it took 10 seconds for you to orient and react to the threat.

That said, if you can get a consistent and fast draw you are ahead of the game. Matt Burkett will tell you that .3 difference in draw over a big match is two or three seconds, often the winning margin. In real life .3 seconds can be a real long time. As far as being .5 slower than Joe Blow on the draw and making it up later, Jarrett will be the first one to tell you that you can never "make up time". This usually is said about people that screw up somewhere in the stage and then shoot faster to compensate. Never works out well.
What match was this Chris, Fredricksburg? Who the heck won? He may have been drawing 1.2 that day, but watching him crank out consistent sub second runs on "Speed Option" is something to see.

As to my earlier time post and observations, here's a link to the results. http://ncrr.net/IDPA/matchresults/03-10-2005T.htm Stage 3 string 1 is a 3yd draw and fire one from an IDPA legal rig, no concealment required. That is a pretty average crowd of shooters, some reasonably good ones mixed in. As I said before, not a lot of times under 1.4. I was wrong in remembering my raw time as 4.5, it was 5.27, probably because that was the world's slowest headshot on string 3. My String one was the .88, I just shot it from retention, as did many other slower folks.

Some of the claims I see on threads like this astound.
 
What I was getting at was, "What exactly does a sub-second draw buy you in competition?" Best I can tell, it doesn't buy you much if the big dogs aren't doing it.
Gotcha. Good point, too.

- Gabe
 
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