How many have had a "hang fire?"

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Seeing the photos of the mangled thumb and obviously ammunition which should have been either fired or tossed out minimum 20-30 years sooner . Reminded ME of some surplus 8x57mm that may of had a powder problem also Steel core . Can't be positive but possibly Turkish manufacture ?. Headstamp FS ,does anyone else recall that ammo ?. What looks to be a crescent between the T C ,7.9 ,F.S ,1947 with slash marks between every place I've put comas .

Also might have been Ball M2 Cal. .30?. I have some which I researched on the internet ,let Me see which one that is ; OK , Lot PS-2-134 Headstamp PS 75 Poongsan Metal out of Korea . I borrowed the Below from another site . Looks as IF mine escaped problems !?. I'm gonna bang a couple without the opt rod ,JUST to be sure . Then I'll pull the copper washed steel jacked bullet and look for a penetrator core ,IF it has one. Pull all check powder type and charge weight ,then replace bullet with suitable Lead core and cycle them . They're boxer primed and cases appear to be in Good condition . I got them for peanuts ,as the guy selling them didn't know they were Armor Piercing . When I pulled out a magnet and two popped up out of the Box ,he nearly fainted . Being at a Gun show selling armor piercing ammo which had been BANNED years earlier ,gave Me full advantage in purchasing them .
PS ammo survey
Here is the survey of Korean ammo showing the lots that had problems:
Here is the data I have on the bad lots of Korean PS:

PS 2-027 (one positive report based on unknown number of rounds fired)
PS 2-033 (BAD? - one report - unspecified problem)
PS 2-035
PS 2-083 (one positive report based on less than 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-088
PS 2-089 (one positive report based on 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-090
PS 2-093
PS 2-094
PS 2-096 (some black corrosion, otherwise positive report on very few rounds fired)
PS 2-097
PS 2-098
PS 2-100
PS 2-101
PS 2-102 (one positive report based on 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-103
PS 2-104 (two positive reports based on a few hundred rounds)
PS 2-105 (one positive report based on a few hundred rounds)
PS 2-106
PS 2-108
PS 2-122
PS 2-123 (report of one dud round out of 400 rounds fired)
PS 2-124
PS 2-127
PS 2-128
PS 2-134
PS 2-135
PS 2-138
PS 2-142
PS 2-144
PS 2-145
PS 2-146
PS 2-147
PS 2-148
PS 2-149
PS 2-151 (maybe OK - based on VERY limited information)
PS 2-152 (VERY BAD - DANGER - numerous reports of ruptured heads!)
PS 2-154 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head)
PS 2-155 (BAD - one report of splits 3 out of 352 rds)
PS 2-156 (BAD - multiple reports of serious splits)
PS 2-157
PS 2-158 (VERY BAD - DANGER - Nasty split cases...all the way to the head of the case)
PS 2-159 (one positive report based on 400 rounds fired)
PS 2-161
PS 2-162 (one positive report based on 300 rounds fired)
PS 2-165 (maybe OK - multiple positive reports - one report of infrequent and minor gas leakage
around primers...NOT blown primers)
PS 2-169
PS 2-171 (one negative report of blown primers)
PS 2-172 (one positive report based on approximately 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-173
PS 2-174 (one positive report based on 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-177
PS 2-179
PS 2-181
PS 2-183
PS 2-184
PS 2-185 (one report of blown primer and one unspecified negative report)
PS 2-186
PS 2-187
PS 2-189 (one positive report)
PS 2-192
PS 2-193 (some of this lot badly corroded, otherwise positive reports)
PS 2-194
PS 2-195
PS 2-198
PS 2-202
PS 2-204
PS 2-205
PS 2-152 (VERY BAD - DANGER - numerous reports of ruptured heads!)
PS 2-153 (VERY BAD - DANGER - Nasty split cases...all the way to the head of the case)
PS 2-154 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head)
PS 2-155 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head)
PS 2-156 (BAD - multiple reports of serious splits)
PS 2-158 (VERY BAD - DANGER - Nasty split cases...all the way to the head of the case)
PS 2-161 (reports of leaking primers, one blown)
PS 2-165 (Bad – multiple reports of leaking primers and one report of serious split case from mid-case into head, but not through rim)
 

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Click bangs with old 303 Indian stuff is not the exception it’s the norm! The timing can be different but not by much, one interesting thing, As stated click bangs are normal but I have never had a round fail to fire, it may take a second but they all go bang.

Personally never had any issue with 8mm.

I have a bunch of the Turkish 8mm, it is hot stuff I will say that but all 100% reliable. I know it’s all corrosive but I just clean appropriately. I do know not to use it in any semi or full auto guns, but not an issue to me as I all I own is bolt guns.
 
Back in the early 90’s I bought a .30 caliber ammo can with 3 or 4 M1 Garand bandoliers of .30-06 in clips. I took the can to the desert with me and began firing from the first clip I pulled out. First shot, hang fire. A few seconds from click to bang. Second round fired fine. Third round, hang fire. Same as the first. A few seconds from click to fire. My friend noticed the brass had “43” head stamped in each of the 3 empty cases. I ejected the rest of the clip. Had I known they were WW2 issue I would not have fired them. They were already in the clips. I gave the ammo can you a guy I knew that collected WW2 paraphernalia. He used the ammo, clips and bandoliers in WW2 tributes at shows and VFWs.
 
Click bangs with old 303 Indian stuff is not the exception it’s the norm! The timing can be different but not by much, one interesting thing, As stated click bangs are normal but I have never had a round fail to fire, it may take a second but they all go bang.

Personally never had any issue with 8mm.

I have a bunch of the Turkish 8mm, it is hot stuff I will say that but all 100% reliable. I know it’s all corrosive but I just clean appropriately. I do know not to use it in any semi or full auto guns, but not an issue to me as I all I own is bolt guns.

NO 06 Bolt for Me , as I Don't own one . So disconnect the opt rod and fire a couple . The 8mm I've got K98's and Yugo 24 so Good but hate running armor piercing through OLD bores . They've generally seen more than they're fair share of torture . So I'll pull them pop an appropriate bullet in and then recycle that brass as I'm sure they're Berdan primed .
 
I've never had a hang fire or squib. And I've only had one or two fail to fire using 22lr. I've now been shooting over 60 years.
" Of course I never use Reloaded ammo" . Only off the shelf..
 
Back in the early 90's I had two or three with a batch of surplus 6.5 Carcano I picked up at a gun show. To this day if I get a dud with any ammo, rifle or pistol, I count to ten before opening the action.
 
I've had lots of them with milsurp 8mm and .303 Brit. But I've never had one with a delay of more than a half-second or so.
The 1943-era MK VII (I believe?) .303 I bought from Sportsmans Guide some years ago needed the Jeopardy-music app to come with it. Some of that was a second/second and a half of waiting between the trigger pull and the boom.

Stay safe.
 
I've had a few back in the 1990's with .303 British mil-surp that's been mentioned already in this thread. It was the Iraqi made stuff from the 1950's IIRC. Berdan primed with Cordite propellant and also corrosive. The headstamps dates were in Arabic numerals, most of which are confusing unless you have the code to translate it. They weren't a long hang-fire but just seemed to take a fraction of a second longer than normal to fire. Of course, I had a few that never went off at all. One day I chronographed some of them and the velocities varied widely. Not surprising, as that ammo looked like it had never seen ideal storage conditions. At least the price was right; back then I got 1000 rounds of it for one hundred dollars and that was with free shipping. I can't recall ever having a hang-fire with anything else but that stuff.
 
The 1943-era MK VII (I believe?) .303 I bought from Sportsmans Guide some years ago needed the Jeopardy-music app to come with it. Some of that was a second/second and a half of waiting between the trigger pull and the boom.

Stay safe.
I've had the problem not only with WW2 production but also some made in the early 1950s; Royal Labs, I believe.
 
The reason we were told was the cynical, ammo and weapons are made by the lowest bidder. I believe that combined with the fact that the M249 and M240 are open bolt weapons has something to do with it. The M249, for example, fires the exact same ammo as it's M4 counterpart. Just in links. I believe that has something to do with the amount of hangfires. But it is pretty hard to test because hangfires are rare, even on belt feds. They are "common enough" for the military to have a procedure that says "In case of hangfire, do this..."

I don't remember really having any hang fires with the M16A1, M16A2 or M60. Now I can say it was drilled into our heads on how to handle hang fires along with squibs. They really pounded it into our head about looking out for "pop and no kicks"
 
Some Turkish 8mm Mauser, and some Spanish 9mm Largo.

I almost racked the slide of the pistol (Star Modelo Super), when it went off. Seemed like over a second, I didn't actually time it.

Although I haven't started reloading anything (yet), I have saved the brass of Boxer-primed Largo I got from Steinel as I shoot it, and have wondered about pulling the bullets from the surplus Spanish stuff and reusing the powder. I don't know if that's a safe option or not.
 
I shoot a lot of surplus 7.62x54r, 7mm and 8mm. Many hang fires. They really expose my tendency to flinch. : (

Has anyone had a round go off after ejecting?
 
I've had muzzle loaders do that to me a few times. One of the first shot shells I re loaded went off a second after the hammer drop, didn't know at the time that having a primer with the flash hole un covered combined with fine grain powder was a bad thing. I blame the "fuse effect" on that one. Ive had .22 LR fail to go off on the first attempt and I always keep the gun pointed down range for about 10 seconds when this happens just in case
 
Some really scary stupid arse people on Boob Tube:what:

Heaven help us!


I think some of the clips in that video are bogus, people messing with the frame speed. Otherwise I would say those are some of the best shooters the world has to offer. No movement whatsoever, not even a twitch from the time the hammer falls to detonation.
 
Okay, I don't mean to go off topic, but what are the possible causes of a hang fire? As I said in my post, I've never had one.
That doesn't mean I don't believe they ever happen though. I just don't understand how they happen. I mean, it just seems to me that when the firing pin strikes the primer, and the priming compound ignites, the powder is going to ignite immediately afterwards.
Years ago, back in the '80s, my wife and I toured the CCI and Speer factories up in Lewiston, ID. And one of the things I remember was the tour guide telling us how fast the priming compound in a CCI primer burns. It seems like he told us it burns 22 miles per second, or something like that. So, I just can't quite understand how there can be much of a delay between the ignition of the primer and the ignition of the gunpowder. It must happen occasionally though, or else this thread wouldn't be 3 pages long so far. ;)
 
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I had one - back around 1977 give or take a year.
I was new to reloading and had to learn everything about it from what I could glean from gun magazines - which amount to not much if anything.

I chalk it up to not knowing what I was doing.
 
Been there and had that. Was maybe 25 ~30 years ago. I loaded about 50 rounds of 257 Weatherby Mag. I forget the powder but likely VihtaVuori N160. Some never ignited while some had a 1~2 second delay. Tried to shoot maybe 10 and it was a trainwreck. My best guess was using standard verse magnum primers. Got home and started pulling bullets with a collet puller. The primers were firing fine and I got little clumps of powder sort of stuck together out of the cartridge bases around the flash holes. Following that little episode I always ran with magnum primers and never had the experience again. I had never experienced a hang fire prior to that and never again. Interesting how they either did a hang fire and the failures never pushed the bullet out of the case despite the primers going off. Funny as my only hang fires were those I made rolling my own. Go figure? :)

Ron
 
I don't remember really having any hang fires with the M16A1, M16A2 or M60. Now I can say it was drilled into our heads on how to handle hang fires along with squibs. They really pounded it into our head about looking out for "pop and no kicks"

No hang fires in the M16 family for me. Never fired the M60. Part of my enlistment was spent on a 240 gun team so learning how to do a blind sweep of the feeder pawls was drilled in.
 
The 1943-era MK VII (I believe?) .303 I bought from Sportsmans Guide some years ago needed the Jeopardy-music app to come with it. Some of that was a second/second and a half of waiting between the trigger pull and the boom.

Stay safe.
I have some Indian VII cordite also. Shot 30 rounds with no problems. I was amazed.
 
Plenty of hang fires.

Some 303 that was really bad. ½-2 second delays. Some was from early in WW2 the rest were from 44-47.

My Godfathers ancient 45-70 blackpowder ammo. Hang fire city. 1-2 second delays really often.

Some Pre War (WW2) 30-06 I got ahold of years ago was really bad.
Some Austrian OJP 30-06 had click-bang tendencies.

A lot of ww2 era 7.92 mauser was click-bangy.

All the 8mm Lebel that was surplus had serious hang fire if it went off at all.

A bunch of 7.5x54 French was also click bang. If it went off at all.

Yeah. I've had my share of hang fires.
 
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