How Many of You Shorten Your Stock to Customize LOP?

Wasangeles

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Do most of you cut your stocks shorter to customize the length of pull? I picked up a really nice late 70's Wingmaster 870 and was reminded this weekend when testing it out that my ideal LOP is about 12.5", not 13.5". I'm hesitant to cut such a pretty stock on something this old. Do most of you cut yours, assuming you're not 6'2"? I'm pretty average height so I'm guessing most people would want a shorter LOP, but I don't hear of people cutting their stocks that often. Does the resale value take a big hit if you do?
 
Most of the time factory stocks fit me well enough. I've never cut one but wouldn't hesitate to do so if I needed to. On THAT shotgun I'd have it done professionally. On some I'd not be afraid to make it a DIY project.
 
Most of the newer rifle stocks Ive had have what I consider a correct LOP ( around 13") if you remove the recoil pads that they insist on putting on everything these days and fit a butt plate. Which is usually what I do. Those recoil pads are a bane. :)
 
Do most of you cut your stocks shorter to customize the length of pull? I picked up a really nice late 70's Wingmaster 870 and was reminded this weekend when testing it out that my ideal LOP is about 12.5", not 13.5". I'm hesitant to cut such a pretty stock on something this old. Do most of you cut yours, assuming you're not 6'2"? I'm pretty average height so I'm guessing most people would want a shorter LOP, but I don't hear of people cutting their stocks that often. Does the resale value take a big hit if you do?
The former gun shop employee in me says "Yes, you absolutely will take a hit on resale" with a shortened stock, especially at 12.5".

Luckily for me, most anything between 13-13.5" works. On my adjustable stocks, the difference between the shortest open setting and the next click out is roughly going from 12.5" to 13.25", and the 12.5" is definitely too short. And I'm a pretty average stature 5' 8", Medium-shirt guy.
 
Standard LOP works for me always. Yes, I would think shortening a stock would devastate resale. But, it is your rifle and if it is uncomfortably long then ----- ? Whenever altered to one side of the bell curve or the other, it is bound to adversely affect value if not reversible. I might even put it in the same category as weird mods, carving in SSNs and initials.
 
Most of the time factory stocks fit me well enough. I've never cut one but wouldn't hesitate to do so if I needed to. On THAT shotgun I'd have it done professionally. On some I'd not be afraid to make it a DIY project.

I've bought two shotguns that had the stocks shortened. One, a Superposed already had been lengthened back to around the original length. The other, a beautiful 1981 870 TB, I bought from the original owner, who was all of 5'4". It was a bit short as it was so I added a Gra-Coil recoil reducer to bring it back out to 1/4" over the original 14" LOP.
 
So far the only stock I have cut down was on my Maverick 88. Sitting now at somewhere around 12.5 to 12.75." I am a short guy with short arms and it feels better to me this way. However, I will not cut down a wood stock. I would rather get an additional stock to molest (I mean cut) and keep the original.
 
I'm considering cutting down a ruger no 1.
It must be built for someone 6'8".
I have offset rings and extended eye relief scope.
Just seems like it needs a inch and a half of wood lopped off still.
 
I'm going to try to snag a used stock to cut down so I don't feel bad doing it, hopefully one that has been tinkered with before. I don't get it, I'm 5'10" 180lbs and I must have T-Rex arms or something because I keep measuring 12.25-12.5 LOP with a measuring tape. I spent Saturday evening trying to figure out why the Wingmaster was kicking so hard and then I remembered...oh yeah, t-rex arms. That bruise is in the wrong spot 🙃
 
I've never cut one down. I've added length with a thicker recoil pad. I'm 6'2" with long arms in proportion to my height. If a were to shorten an 870 I'd start by taking some off the recoil pad, if I had enough to work with.
 
I like a 5’ 9” and I usually take a standard rifle and add a Decelerator to it. I can shoot a standard 13 & 1/2 inch rifle but 14 to 14&1/2 suits me better. The other advantage is most of my rifles are larger caliber, so it’s a win, win for me.
 
I would cut my stock if I could find someone to do it around me . Right now I am using it with the recoil pad removed . I went dove hunting once and was thinking ahead enough that I brought the recoil pad and a screwdriver with me . After the 1st box of shells I was putting it back on .
 
Do most of you cut your stocks shorter to customize the length of pull?
Absolutely not. That would be ruining a nice factory rifle.

But there may be options. For example, for an AR, a fixed A1 stock is 5/8" shorter than an A2 stock. And Enfield No. 4's had a choice of four different lengths of factory buttstocks.
 
A 13.5” LOP seems to suit me pretty well with a rifle. A little shorter might be even better. I’m 5’10” with 34” sleeves on my dress shirts.

A lot of shotguns have LOP in the 14”+ range, due to the way they’re held.
 
Many people want a shorter LOP because of the way they learned to bring a butt stock to the shoulder. They try to bring the butt up as straight to the shoulder as possible, kind of sliding it up the shoulder, thinking this is faster and/or more efficient. That not totally wrong, but while learning, many tend to hit the armpit on the way up. They eventually master it, but at the expense of a 12 1/2 to 14" pull, instead of the 13 1/2 to 15" most adults should be at.

I learned this same way, and it cost me many a pheasant and duck, when I'd try to shoulder it the same way I did in the spring and summer on a t shirt in the field on October wearing a shirt, sweater, and heavy coat.

When I started getting serious about Trap, my coach showed me how he mounted a shotgun (and rifle, for that matter). Push the gun out at arm's height, pull it back into the pocket of the shoulder, and place the cheek on the stock, wood on wood, as he called it. You shouldn't have to move the head down much, and ideally not at all to do this.

He had me do it 100 times in front of him until he was satisfied I was doing it right, then had me do it with my eyes closed, then open them after the gun was mounted. The view should be the same as when done with eyes open.

You're thinking, " OK this works great for Trap where you have all the time in the world to mount the gun, but what about hunting?" Once you are proficient with getting the mount correct slower at first, speed up the practice until you're satisfied with the speed. I shot a lot more of the ducks and pheasants I'd have missed had I not learned this.

It is one of the first things I teach when I coach Trap, right after testing them for eye dominance. To this day, I can throw an 870, 1100, or Model 12 to my shoulder very quickly and have it right where I need it to hit what I am shooting at.
 
I typically look for an adjustable stock but if there isn't one made I'll deal with a 13.5" LOP. Not the most comfortable which means anything longer than 13.5 stays on the store shelf. A 12.75" LOP is my ideal, I'm stretching to reach 13.5 inches.
 
I don't remember which board it was on (may have been this one) there was an "What is your ideal LOP" (to paraphrase) thread. The vast majority stated anything between a 12.5" and 13.25" was their ideal. Only a very few stated that 13.5" was ideal or too short for them and I think one stated their ideal was less than 12.5".
 
I've shortened the stock on one rifle, removed thick buttpads to install thin buttplates, removed spacers, etc. for eye relief reasons, ease of operating a manual action, etc.

And I've had to add some things back for eye relief reasons, ease of operating a manual action, etc.

Then there is shooting stance. Old school bladed versus squared to the target changes LOP requirements to some degree as well.

My LOP range can vary from one gun to the next due to the above.

But that's for rifles. Not a 870 Wingmaster shotgun as mentioned by @Wasangeles .
 
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