How many planned to buy a CMP 1911 and changed your mind?

[Tirod]

It was reported last year that the CMP would get 100,000 1911's and be allowed to sell them off at the rate of 10,000 a year. There was a lot of speculation over price, but once the initial hubbub settled down we took the pricing scheme used for Garands and realized all the premium 1911's would be auctioned. Meaning over $1000 each. And those downgraded would likely also be higher priced than speculated, $750 up rather than the $450 some of us hoped.

Well, we could do just about as well buying off Gunbroker. If you wanted something on a frugal budget, it wasn't going to happen, at least not soon.

It's been a year later and some of us moved on. Life is short and waiting on the Government to get itself in order can take longer than we'd like. You can't just start throwing people out of helicopters.

What did you buy in the meantime?

 

[wally]

I'm pretty well set for 1911s, have been for a long time, its rare one doesn't come to the range with me and see 100-200 rounds in an outing.

If I'd be interested in a CMP 1911 or not would totally depend on price and condition.

My DCM (pre CMP) M1-D That I got to buy for like $950 by lottery seems to have appreciated nicely over the years, I've never shot it. Their M1-C rifles were auctioned and went for well above my disposable income at the time.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

I guess I look at things a bit differently than many. Or maybe not.

But my thought is if there is a deal then getting one would make sense. If not, then I'm not going to jump on a bandwagon because those who think it's cool and trendy and might be an "investment" are driving up prices.

Personally, I'd love a nice 1911. I'd really love one if it had some historical significance, but I'm not going to pay insane money.

Right now, I've focused on what make sense for me.

First I upgraded my EDC gun to a Springfield XDs 45. I love the gun. The only thing I don't like about it is not having enough time to shoot it, and not having 45 dies yet to load ammo to practice with more.

I'm also building an AR for 3 gun as I really want to learn to shoot well. I also want to understand my weapons inside and out. And building an AR is one step in the process. I've got the lower done and learned a lot. Now I'm getting ready to do the upper.

After that I'll upgrade my shotgun to a semi auto. Hopefully I'll be able to find a 930 JM at a reasonable price.

Finally I plan to upgrade my pistol as I'd love to have one of the new M&P 2.0's.

Other than that, just getting gear slowly is the plan. The above mentioned dies for 45, a casting setup to make slugs, and a part for the shotgun press I picked up cheap are high on the list.

On the more important side, I've been working on getting to the range more, practicing and trying to find a time to take a class or two.

Oh yea and working to pay for it!

 

[Acera]

I haven't given up. But my reasons might be different from others.

I got plenty of modern 1911s, so it's not a 'need' but more of a want if RINO McCain gets booted or retires and they come the CMP.

For me it would be a interesting item to have in the collection, especially if I am lucky enough to get a pre-A1 design in decent shape. I would also be interested in unique markings, like the ones that had the ships name engraved on it. I've looked at one of the original 1911s from the USS Texas and like how it had the name on it.

So for me, the more unusual the better.


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[AZAndy]

You can't just start throwing people out of helicopters.

Now you tell me.

 

[Sistema1927]

Personally, I'd love a nice 1911

Then look elsewhere. If and when the CMP ever sells surplus 1911s they are going to be the finish deficient, shake to field strip, worn out old warhorses that I was drawing out of the arms room a couple of years prior to the introduction of the M9.

History, yes. "Nice", no.

 

[Robert101]

$1,000 is way to high a price for a worn out 1911. I'd rather get another CMP Garand or maybe a new SA 308 rifle. The longer this goes on the less likely I'll jump back to the CMP program.

 

[Old Dog]

I was present when my unit's armorer was crating up the last our 1911s to ship back to Crane in 1994 (yes, contrary to popular belief, they were in service long-past the mythical 1985 transition year). Many of ours had not been "hard-use" pistols; they'd been used only for training, qualification and carry by MPs. We had none in a condition good enough where I'd have considered buying one for myself even if I could have back then.

My Colt Series 70 repro serves me as a pistol I can appreciate for "historical significance" and is similar enough to the 1911s I carried over the years of my service, yet I can also shoot the snot out of it regularly and keep it as a reliable, durable and accurate weapon. I'm as patriotic as the next guy, appreciate JM Browning's masterpiece more than most, am fascinated by history, but I just can't see paying the government far too much money for something I'd use only as a display in a shadowbox ...

 

[GBExpat]

... Personally, I'd love a nice 1911. I'd really love one if it had some historical significance, but I'm not going to pay insane money. ...

That neatly sums up my feelings on the matter.

In addition, I already own 8(?) .45acp pistols, 3 of which are 1911s, so ...

 

[cfullgraf]

I waited two years plus for the IHC Garands to become available a number of years ago. Besides finally getting a nice IHC Garand, I've managed to get several unusual serial numbered Garands and other Garand projects over the years so I've had my fun and enjoyment supporting CMP.

I guess I'm now tired of waiting and playing the "CMP Lottery". I have not been following the trials and tribulations of getting the M1911s to the CMP. Other folks can have my CMP M1911.

 

[MAKster]

I don't think anyone was sitting around holding their breath waiting for these pistols. No reason to "move on" since nothing is required of you. They will show up when they show up and you can make a decision at that time if the price is acceptable.

 

[rskent]

I guess I'm now tired of waiting and playing the "CMP Lottery".

Same here. I have three rifles from the CMP. I don’t think any of them were particularly good deals.

I think you could probably do much better with a solid commercial Colt. Maybe even a new one.

Buds has new 1991’s for $750. Good luck on getting any more of my money CMP.

 

[GBExpat]

I don't think anyone was sitting around holding their breath waiting for these pistols. ...

<chuckle> Really? After all of the silliness that you (and all of us) have seen posted by folks in this and other online gun forums, you think it impossible that there are any number of people on tenterhooks about when the first batch of these 1911s is available ?

I would bet that there are some that look in at The CMP website at least once every day with the primary reason being to make sure that they do not miss their chance at one.

During the Springfield Armory XDs Recall I remember reading a post by one fellow who said that he spent lots of time on the status update page hitting the F5 key repeatedly, hoping that it would change from Prcessing to Shipped. Silliness.

And sometimes, you just cannot control such impulses ...

... so long as it doesn't hurt anyone, neh?

 

[CoalTrain49]

I have been watching the insanity on another forum regarding the USMC decommissioned M45. I think they started around $1300 and went to almost $3000 before the sales were finished on GB. In case anyone doesn't know the story, The USMC sent about 1000 back to Colt because the cerokote finish wore off. I think Colt is in the process of replacing those. They sold the ones the USMC turned in and they ended up on GB. Some of those pistols were in seriously poor condition and they still sold for around 2K.

I'm pretty sure those CMP pistols will be actioned. If not auctioned, the prices will be a lot more than I'm willing to pay for a 1911. All of my 1911's were under 1K. I have way more fun shooting a pistol than just looking at it and waiting for it to appreciate. These won't be good shooters. Unless the slides were replaced they won't be heat treated like post war models.

For awhile I thought I wanted one but I realized I would never shoot it and it would join a number of other guns that set in my safe and are never used. Some I've already sold and I still have a few more that need to go.

 

[Tirod]

AZ: Huey or Blackhawk? If you have one then don't let me stop you.

Makster: Moving on when you are in your declining years becomes an essential thing. Youth has it's life spread out before it stretching into the horizon. As you age you get a longer term perspective - but the end is a lot closer. I can buy a nice .45 now and shoot it, or wait and see.

I bought a 4566TSW and I get to shoot it now. Not regret never having one while I sit in a wheel chair in a veteran's ward.

 

[Cannibul]

Not a chance.

The given $750-$800 for a "rack grade" mixmaster pistol is a non-starter for me. The $1000+ for a decent pistol is crazy. $1000 buys a lot of 1911 these days. I'm a big fan of history. I'm not a fan of being shagged over my love of history.

Of course ya know that you'll have dealers sitting at the stores and buying them by the bucket load to resell. They need to set some reasonable limits on purchases.

 

[pblanc]

I certainly never planned to get one. I might consider doing so if the prices were what I consider reasonable, which I highly doubt will come to pass. Paying $500 or more for a worn-out pistol for its "historical value" is nuts IMO.

I would consider getting one of the M1 Garands if they were in decent condition for a less than insane price, but I am not holding my breath on that one either.

 

[MAKster]

AZ: Huey or Blackhawk? If you have one then don't let me stop you.

Makster: Moving on when you are in your declining years becomes an essential thing. Youth has it's life spread out before it stretching into the horizon. As you age you get a longer term perspective - but the end is a lot closer. I can buy a nice .45 now and shoot it, or wait and see.

I bought a 4566TSW and I get to shoot it now. Not regret never having one while I sit in a wheel chair in a veteran's ward.

These pistols if they come to market will not be shooters. They will be expensive collectors items for people who have no intention of actually shooting them on a regular basis. If you want a 1911 to actually shoot why are you waiting on one of these. Just buy something new like a RIA, Springfield, Ruger, or Colt.

 

[cfullgraf]

Yes, if you want an M1911 to shoot the snot out of, a CMP M1911 is not it. It has more historical value than shooting value. Not everyone will be willing to spend the bucks for a CMP M1911 to park in their safe.

For some folks, the enjoyment of a CMP M1911 will be obtaining the parts to make their guns correct.

The Garand is a different story as there has not been other good sources for them except high price GI issue units on the private market. There are not any commercial Garands on the market these days like the plethora of M1911s.

I think the best of the CMP Garand days are behind us unless there is some hidden cache of them not found yet.

Maybe the powers that be will get their heads out of the sand and release the M1911s which will make some folks happy.

 

[Wishoot]

In a world swamped with 1911's in every conceivable configuration and price range, I see no reason to overpay for something just because the military used it.

 

[reddog81]

I'll be buying one and I'm sure they will sell quickly. I'm sure the first year they will go very very quickly. I'm sure the prices will be reasonable - not cheap but not super expensive. Anyone complaining about a $1,000 military 1911 needs to check in on current auction prices for these items. Mine will be shot.

Anyone complaining about the condition is just looking for something to complain about. There will be every condition from refinished mixmaster to excellent. They will go through the hands of CMP armors and I'm sure any significant deficiency will be corrected or it'll be priced accordingly. These guys seem to know what they are doing with Garands so I'm sure they will get up to speed quickly on fixing anything that needs to be done to get them up for sale.

There is no reason to sell them at $500. If they can sell out in a week at $1,000 why would they sell them for less? Selling them at $500 would only encourage scalpers to try and buy as many as possible so they can relist them on gunbroker.

 

[Seven High]

I would much rather see the government give the 1911s away to active duty and retired or honorably discharged veterans. A lottery system could be set up to determine who gets one. It would be a way of saying thanks for serving our country.

 

[mljdeckard]

I also turned in 1911s for m-9s in 1993. What I learned is, that you can do a lot to clean up old 1911s with a new barrel, bushing, and link.

I agree that the ones that will be sold by CMP are fun to have, but G.I. 1911s were made long ago under a very different era of manufacturing. I would not expect one to last very long under heavy training and carry. A piece of history is cool, but not for more than you would pay for a modern gun that was really built to run hard.

My brain has started toying with the idea of finding a G.I. that no longer functions to put in my shadow box when I retire.

 

[JR24]

If they eventually get down ro a beat up one for $500-600 I'd pick up one for historical purpose.

Else I'll just settle for my Remington R1 being close enough.

I'd rather spend money on a Garand

 

[RPRNY]

No need for any more historic a 1911 than this one below. Built in 1942, it was issued to my father in 1943 after the one he started the war with was junked or never came out of the water when the ship he was skipper of, very like Apc-47, a coastal transport in Nimmitz's island hopping fleet, was attacked from the air and sunk. This one served him the rest of the war and though the DE he was Executive Officer of went down at Okinawa, apparently he didn't go in the water on that one.

An APc of WWII:



My father's service 1911: