Panzerschwein
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I'm not surprised that the good ones are going to go to wealthy collectors and the junkers are going to be sold for a lot more money than a quality brand new commercial 1911. Ah bureaucracy!
How many planned to buy a CMP 1911 and changed your mind?
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Sistema1927
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Where did you get thatidea? CMP doesn't even have the legal authority to sell handguns yet, never mind having established a system to distribute them if they ever do.
Panzerschwein
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I recall reading that this is the way the 1911s will be sold off.
Sistema1927
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Why not go to the source? http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/
As they say: The CMP is NOT authorized to receive or disburse the 1911s at this point. We have not yet received the approval required from the Secretary of the Army by the legislation.
Anything else that you might read is sheer speculation.
As they say: The CMP is NOT authorized to receive or disburse the 1911s at this point. We have not yet received the approval required from the Secretary of the Army by the legislation.
Anything else that you might read is sheer speculation.
Panzerschwein
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You're probably right, sir.
Hopefully when the time comes, they sell these for what they are, antique used service pistols, and don't get hung up on the premium that M1911A1 handguns go for these days.
Yeah, but at this point it should only be a matter of time. Once Trump gets someone in the Secretary of the Army office and they make their way through the list of must do items surely this get some attention. I'm not expecting anything in the next couple of months, but later this year or next is highly likely.
I would like to have/ buy the .45 that I carried the last three years of the Vietnam thing; it was aged, well used and loose but it never failed me - never failed to fire, to cycle and was decently accurate. I would like to have it for "memories" - but just owning a military issue does not interest me - it wasn't with me during that time so it would be just another handgun. Unfortunately, having access to that exact handgun would be about a zero chance - it was a good gun.
entropy
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I'm all for that. I'd be the only chance for me to get one, and if I didn't at least I know they'd go to those who'd appreciate and deserve them.
And then it went and soldiered on for twenty more years, and was probably in pretty bad shape when we turned them in for M9's. Although as mljdeckard said, I was able to tune the 7 in my Arms Room up decently. But yeah, the chances of even being able to find the one you had then are slim.
I'd like to have the H&R M16A1 I was issued, heck I'd even shim the FCG hole to semi if I could have it.
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The law has already been passed allowing the CMP to sell them... There's just a couple more hoops to jump through before they can be sold. Obama's Secretary of the Army made no movement on the subject, otherwise it's likely they would already be up for sale.
CoalTrain49
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I have a Colt 1911A1 that was made in 91 or 92. I purchased this for $500 and it was unfired with box and papers. I take it to the range occasionally and shoot it. Although not USGI it is a very close representation. It shoots as well as my Colt Gov't model that was purchased a few years ago. It's parkerized just like the original.
These USGI pistols will be at least $1000, maybe more. They will sell every last one of them for whatever price they decide to sell them for in a few days. My understanding is they intend to sell 10,000 a year until they are all gone. Personally I don't want to enter that lottery. I tried to buy a CMP carbine during the last sale and got aced out. If you didn't have your order in the first day, and I mean at their facility the first day, you didn't get one. I already have one but I wanted another one.
These CMP sales are ridiculous. They won't regulate them so the average guy who doesn't live near one of the stores has a chance of getting one of their rifles. Collectors and flippers have really made it impossible to score one of these.
Good luck if you are planning to buy one.
These USGI pistols will be at least $1000, maybe more. They will sell every last one of them for whatever price they decide to sell them for in a few days. My understanding is they intend to sell 10,000 a year until they are all gone. Personally I don't want to enter that lottery. I tried to buy a CMP carbine during the last sale and got aced out. If you didn't have your order in the first day, and I mean at their facility the first day, you didn't get one. I already have one but I wanted another one.
These CMP sales are ridiculous. They won't regulate them so the average guy who doesn't live near one of the stores has a chance of getting one of their rifles. Collectors and flippers have really made it impossible to score one of these.
Good luck if you are planning to buy one.
luzyfuerza
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I'm all for the CMP maximizing their revenues on 1911 (and Garand and all other) sales. These funds support shooter education and training...something that I strongly support.
wojownik
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Fully agree. The CMP’s mission is not to sell firearms at a discounted price so everyone can have a subsidized Garand. CMP Sales are a fundraiser which supports their mission of promoting marksmanship.
My acquisitions of CMP items over the years have included two SA Garands, two M1 Carbines, a 1903A3 and a 1917 ... and in retrospect nowhere near enough .30-06 ammunition. The CMP has a sterling reputation, and that's why I bought through them rather than bubba at the gunshow - I would willingly have paid more for what I bought these items for.
However, I probably won't go for one of the 1911s. By the time the first reviews come out on what they look like, all the 1911s will likely be snapped up already. And I don't have the spare cash at the moment to take a gamble (not that the CMP has ever let me down, but these 1911s are a totally new area ...).
I temporarily satisfied my 1911 jonesing - and even though I would love to add a USGI workhorse to the stable I still have too many questions to jump in with feet at this point. But in all likelihood - when CMP gets closer to really selling 1911s - a lot more info will become available.
I shoot down at CMP Talladega and have a few shooting buddies who work at the CMP. I got to talk to one last year on the potential of CMP M1911's.
All the anxiety, fuss and feathers, exhibited in this thread are based on nothing but fantasy wants and desires. Posters are self conducting a Roschach test and telling everyone what they want to see.
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/
As of last year, no one at the CMP had seen any US military 1911's. They were not interesting on bidding on them, if they were allowed to bid, without an inspection. That was about the last I heard and I doubt that anything has progressed beyond that.
As for mint condition, rare M1911's, I doubt that. These things are only valuable as scrap, and as such, I have heard accounts of leaky storage shelters filled, or half filled, with piles of rusting M1911's.
All the anxiety, fuss and feathers, exhibited in this thread are based on nothing but fantasy wants and desires. Posters are self conducting a Roschach test and telling everyone what they want to see.
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/
As of last year, no one at the CMP had seen any US military 1911's. They were not interesting on bidding on them, if they were allowed to bid, without an inspection. That was about the last I heard and I doubt that anything has progressed beyond that.
As for mint condition, rare M1911's, I doubt that. These things are only valuable as scrap, and as such, I have heard accounts of leaky storage shelters filled, or half filled, with piles of rusting M1911's.
tark
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Hell, I was running into those in 69 as a Small Arms Repairman in Germany!!!
The 1911's aren't stored in Alabama. They are in the warehouse in Ohio per eyewitness accounts and have been sitting there for quite a while. There is substance to the potential sale. However, once released, it will take months for the first ones to trickle thru to the sales floor as they will be taken down, inspected, and refurbished as needed. Just the same as the Garands. Once title to the guns is actually transferred to the CMP I would expect at least 6 months getting thru the process, not immediate release.
They are a fund raiser, not really a potentially good shooter in competitive terms, with the better grades sold at auction. You don't have to actually show up and handle the items as many are shipped thru FFL's IIRC.
They are a fund raiser, not really a potentially good shooter in competitive terms, with the better grades sold at auction. You don't have to actually show up and handle the items as many are shipped thru FFL's IIRC.
wojownik
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I'd like to hear more about those eyewitness accounts. Presumably the Ohio warehouse is not affiliated with the CMP, because the CMP is still not authorized to receive or disburse 1911s.
The story is still the same - approval to transfer the firearms is required from the Secretary of the Army. Bob Speer is acting SECARMY, and has not given any such authorization, and I don't think an acting secretary would sign off on this. Trumps nominee for the position (Mark Green) pulled out of the running just two weeks ago - I'm not sure who the administration has in their wish list as the next nominee for SECARMY. But something tells me when someone is finally confirmed, signing off on these 1911s is not going to be in the top 5000 list of things the new secretary will have to handle.
The story is still the same - approval to transfer the firearms is required from the Secretary of the Army. Bob Speer is acting SECARMY, and has not given any such authorization, and I don't think an acting secretary would sign off on this. Trumps nominee for the position (Mark Green) pulled out of the running just two weeks ago - I'm not sure who the administration has in their wish list as the next nominee for SECARMY. But something tells me when someone is finally confirmed, signing off on these 1911s is not going to be in the top 5000 list of things the new secretary will have to handle.
Rock185
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For those who eagerly awaiting these guns, I certainly hope that this program comes to fruition. I think there is a much better chance of this happening under the current administration than the last. I was issued 1911A1s in the military, had some DOD 1911A1s in the armory at my PD, etc. While I do understand the draw of historical/military significance, I admit I have no particular desire to spend significant money on a pistol similar to the rattling, well worn, pistols I was issued. I've purchased some very nice pistols since this program was announced, and honestly doubt I'd be selling off any of those to finance purchase of any of the surplus guns.......ymmv
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