How short a barrel for .243?

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I'm wanting to build a light, short deer rifle in .243 and was wondering what experience any of you may have had with shorter barrels. I'm thinking of taking a 22" barrel down to 18"

Is that suicide for a .243?

Is there a better caliber for this in the .308 family?
 
The early Remington Model Sevens in .243 had 18.5" barrels, and they shot well. I believe new ones have 20" barrels. I have also taken a number of deer with a 15-inch Encore pistol in .243. The muzzle blast was ferocious, but the deer weren't any less dead.

Personally, I don't think I'd cut down a barrel--especially a sporter barrel--for the sole purpose of saving weight. The barrel's profile is going to determine weight more than length, I expect. Were I building a lightweight deer rifle, I don't think I'd go less than 20.
 
The early Remington Model Sevens in .243 had 18.5" barrels, and they shot well. I believe new ones have 20" barrels. I have also taken a number of deer with a 15-inch Encore pistol in .243. The muzzle blast was ferocious, but the deer weren't any less dead.

Personally, I don't think I'd cut down a barrel--especially a sporter barrel--for the sole purpose of saving weight. The barrel's profile is going to determine weight more than length, I expect. Were I building a lightweight deer rifle, I don't think I'd go less than 20.

It's as much about handling to me as weight. Tree stands and box blinds and generally moving through the brush. I've found my 7.62x39 Savage with it's 20" barrel is exceptionally quick to point. It just lacks 100 yards of added range that I want.

I was thinking 18.5" for the .243.

If my daughter's single shot CVA Hunter was more accurate, I would just use it. It has a 20" barrel and handles like a dream.
 
Well, all my kids who hunt deer started with an 18.5-inch Model 7 in .243. My go-to hunting rifle is a Model 7 in .308, also with an 18.5-inch barrel. They sure work well in the hardwoods of PA and NY.

FWIW, my kids are grown and I'm having the Model 7 in .243 re-chambered in .243 AI. New barrel length will be 20-inches.
 
I have a Ruger M-77 RSI in .243 that has an 18.5" barrel. It's report is certainly as loud as all of my other high powered hunting rifles, with more of a crack than a boom when it hits the ears!

The velocity loss is about what can be expected from 22-24inch tubes, and the full-stocked rifle is about a 1.5-1.75 MOA gun with ammo it likes.
 
I had a Ruger RSI in 7x57. It was exceptionally light and quick and the "bark" didn't bother me. If it had been more accurate, I would still be using it. That rifle is partly what has me thinking of lopping off a .243 barrel to that same length.

I'm not concerned with the velocity loss that much. I mean, a 100 grainer going 2800 instead of 3000 will still be plenty four our small whitetails.
 
In addition, I've cut down two Savage .308's from 22" to 20" now, and in both cases not only did it make the handling better, the gun ended up being more accurate too.
 
Is there a better caliber for this in the .308 family?
My wife's first deer rifle was a Remington 660. It had an 18 or 18.5 inch barrel. It was pretty loud, and I suspect she was only getting around 2600fps with 100gr bullets out of it. But she put a lot of venison on the table with that little rifle.
On the other hand, you asked, "is there a better caliber for this in the .308 family?" In MY opinion it's the .308 Winchester itself. It just seems to me that when you're talking about a "light, short deer rifle" you're not talking about a 400 yard hunting rifle, you're talking about a handy, easy to carry, quick pointing rifle for use in the timber (sometimes called a "brush gun"). For those purposes, I'd prefer a rifle that throws a heavier, larger bullet than what you can throw from a .243.
But that's just MY opinion. You have to understand I have a real affinity for 30 caliber cartridges. My first big game rifle was a .308 Winchester (model 100 Winchester with a 20" barrel by the way) and my retirement rifle is a .308 Norma Magnum with a 25" barrel. I've had a few smaller, and larger caliber big game rifles over the years, but I always come back to the 30.:)
 
I totally get that! While I'm fairly tall, I really like the pointability of the carbine-length Model Sevens. I haven't done anything with Savage, although I like that a fairly handy non-gunsmith can change the barrels. I didn't mention it above, but the re-barreled Model Seven will be in "Remage" configuration. I have a smith squaring the face of the action and bolt as well as lapping the lugs. The new barrel will be a McGowen that I'll install myself.
 
My wife's first deer rifle was a Remington 660. It had an 18 or 18.5 inch barrel. It was pretty loud, and I suspect she was only getting around 2600fps with 100gr bullets out of it. But she put a lot of venison on the table with that little rifle.
On the other hand, you asked, "is there a better caliber for this in the .308 family?" In MY opinion it's the .308 Winchester itself. It just seems to me that when you're talking about a "light, short deer rifle" you're not talking about a 400 yard hunting rifle, you're talking about a handy, easy to carry, quick pointing rifle for use in the timber (sometimes called a "brush gun"). For those purposes, I'd prefer a rifle that throws a heavier, larger bullet than what you can throw from a .243.
But that's just MY opinion. You have to understand I have a real affinity for 30 caliber cartridges. My first big game rifle was a .308 Winchester (model 100 Winchester with a 20" barrel by the way) and my retirement rifle is a .308 Norma Magnum with a 25" barrel. I've had a few smaller, and larger caliber big game rifles over the years, but I always come back to the 30.:)

For where I hunt, the occasional 300-yard shot does present itself. I actually passed on two this year because I had my 7.62x39 with me, and while it's an excellent 200-yard whitetail round with my handloads, it's not something I'm going to use at 250 or 300 yards.

A 100-grain .243 bullet with 2700 fps. MV however, would be useful up to 300 yards. I suppose I could cut down a .308 and that would at least allow me to share bullets with my 7.62x39 and my 30-30. I'll consider that.

My 7.62x39 pushes 160 grain FTX's at 2250 MV while my 30-30 gets them to 2350 fps. - although the 7.62x39 is considerably more accurate (.75 MOA vs. 2 MOA). I suppose a .308 loaded with 160 FTX's at 2500 fps. could be like a "7.62x39 magnum" LOL (I'll probably get roasted for that :D )
 
my left hand 700-sps 7mm08 with a 20" barrel is fine for at least 300 yard shots with 120gr nosler BT bullets with a healthy dose of varget, my longest shots was on two speed goats , 280yards and 310 yards. eastbank.
 

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The early Remington Model Sevens in .243 had 18.5" barrels, and they shot well. I believe new ones have 20" barrels. I have also taken a number of deer with a 15-inch Encore pistol in .243. The muzzle blast was ferocious, but the deer weren't any less dead.
You put your finger right on it.

No one that I know of hunts while wearing ear plugs. And if you hear ringing in your ears, or experience "temporary" loss of hearing -- you have permanent hearing damage!
 
my left hand 700-sps 7mm08 with a 20" barrel is fine for at least 300 yard shots with 120gr nosler BT bullets with a healthy dose of varget, my longest shots was on two speed goats , 280yards and 310 yards. eastbank.
That's my other option is to just cut down a spare 7mm-08 barrel that I already have. It shoots 120's pretty well too.
 
You put your finger right on it.

No one that I know of hunts while wearing ear plugs. And if you hear ringing in your ears, or experience "temporary" loss of hearing -- you have permanent hearing damage!
Vern, I have a constant ringing in my ears (tinnitus) and have for 30 years. However, I'm usually able to put in earplugs before I shoot a deer with a rifle. Usually. About 4 out of 5 times this past year.
 
The first time I drew down on a deer with a handgun was with a T/C Contender in .35 Remington ... with a muzzle break. One shot and my ears rang for several days. That was a Friday late afternoon. The following Monday, I ordered a set of Peltor Tac-7 electronic ear muffs. They were top-of-the-line back then, and cost quite a bit. I wear them every time I hunt with a handgun, and most of the time when hunting with a rifle. In God's providence, my hearing is still very good--at least according to my doctor (and my wife). I would like to keep it that way as long as possible!
 
The first time I drew down on a deer with a handgun was with a T/C Contender in .35 Remington ... with a muzzle break. One shot and my ears rang for several days. That was a Friday late afternoon. The following Monday, I ordered a set of Peltor Tac-7 electronic ear muffs. They were top-of-the-line back then, and cost quite a bit. I wear them every time I hunt with a handgun, and most of the time when hunting with a rifle. In God's providence, my hearing is still very good--at least according to my doctor (and my wife). I would like to keep it that way as long as possible!
Too late for me. I screwed up my hearing as a kid shooting without ever wearing hearing protection, then running a chainsaw when I owned a tree service for years, again, without hearing protection. I have about 20% loss in my left ear. First hearing test I ever took I was 21 and when I finished, the woman administering the test asked me two questions. 1) do you shoot guns, and 2) are you right handed. She knew.
 
Is there a better caliber for this in the .308 family?

The 308. As a rule the larger the bore size, the more efficient it will be especially in a short barrel. If your okay with immense muzzle blast and a lot of velocity loss then a 243 will be fine. Lots of people have 15" contenders in 243. If I had to pick between a 243 or a 7-08 to do this with I would do the 7-08.
 
My wife's first deer rifle was a Remington 660. It had an 18 or 18.5 inch barrel. It was pretty loud, and I suspect she was only getting around 2600fps with 100gr bullets out of it. But she put a lot of venison on the table with that little rifle.
On the other hand, you asked, "is there a better caliber for this in the .308 family?" In MY opinion it's the .308 Winchester itself. It just seems to me that when you're talking about a "light, short deer rifle" you're not talking about a 400 yard hunting rifle, you're talking about a handy, easy to carry, quick pointing rifle for use in the timber (sometimes called a "brush gun"). For those purposes, I'd prefer a rifle that throws a heavier, larger bullet than what you can throw from a .243.
But that's just MY opinion. You have to understand I have a real affinity for 30 caliber cartridges. My first big game rifle was a .308 Winchester (model 100 Winchester with a 20" barrel by the way) and my retirement rifle is a .308 Norma Magnum with a 25" barrel. I've had a few smaller, and larger caliber big game rifles over the years, but I always come back to the 30.:)
The 660 rifles had 20' barrels. The 600's had 18.5.
 
The 308. As a rule the larger the bore size, the more efficient it will be especially in a short barrel. If your okay with immense muzzle blast and a lot of velocity loss then a 243 will be fine. Lots of people have 15" contenders in 243. If I had to pick between a 243 or a 7-08 to do this with I would do the 7-08.
At this point I'm leaning toward the 7mm-08 since I am already set up to reload for it, or possibly the .308 since I already use .308 bullets in two other rifles and those 160 FTX's are superbly accurate and deadly bullets.
 
I have a Remington 600 in 308. It was really unpleasant to shoot. But loading down a couple of grains, installing a recoil pad, etc. turned it into a delight. With the 150 TTSX, the numbers say that it ought to be very effective out to 350 yards.

So 308 might not be a bad choice. Personally, I'd probably go for something in 6.5 or 7 mm.
 
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