How the Republican Party can save itself in the Elections
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Sinsaba
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The Republican Party cannot save itself in the next elections. It is possible however for the Democrats to damage themselves enough that the Republicans still keep control.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the Democrats would be about the worst thing that could happen (politically) to this country. But with the Republicans in control and ignoring the will of the people (even if I thought they had the right ideas), the will get voted out.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the Democrats would be about the worst thing that could happen (politically) to this country. But with the Republicans in control and ignoring the will of the people (even if I thought they had the right ideas), the will get voted out.
Sinsaba
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Thin Black Line said:
The Republician party needs to worry more about actuallity than perceptions. If the Republican party would ACT CONSERVATIVE, hold to conservative ideals, carry out the will of the people, instead of F*%@KING acting only to get themselves relected; they wouldn't have to worry about PERCEPTIONS!!!
IMPROVE PERCEPTIONS!!!! That sounds like a Democrat idea!!! How about the Republican Party improve reality!!
Sorry for the rant folks I just get so tired of so called conservatives falling into bad thought patterns
- Declare that "homeland security starts at your HOME" and begin actively encouraging private citizens to keep effective firearms for defense. Repeal the GCA and the NFA, and leave the regulation of firearms up to the states.
-Invest massively in fuel cells, hydrogen power, and solar.
-Expand the Peace Corps and Americorps.
-Recommit to "small government". Balance the federal budget, and start buying back debt from our creditors (the Chinese).
-Make LEGAL immigration easier. Streamline the process.
-Fine businesses heavily if they hire illegals. Make hiring illegals a federal crime.
-Legalize drugs, and tax them heavily.
-"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too." --JFK. The Repubs need a moment like this, so commit to building a space elevator with heavy-lift capability by 2020.
Hey, I can dream, can't I?
-Invest massively in fuel cells, hydrogen power, and solar.
-Expand the Peace Corps and Americorps.
-Recommit to "small government". Balance the federal budget, and start buying back debt from our creditors (the Chinese).
-Make LEGAL immigration easier. Streamline the process.
-Fine businesses heavily if they hire illegals. Make hiring illegals a federal crime.
-Legalize drugs, and tax them heavily.
-"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too." --JFK. The Repubs need a moment like this, so commit to building a space elevator with heavy-lift capability by 2020.
Hey, I can dream, can't I?
xd9fan
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So what makes you guys that suport this GOP think they will change? The GOP will not piss off the Illegal mexican soon to be voters group anytime soon.
They will "talk tough" for the next 24 months, yet again making sure the flock is in order. And GOP voters will then forgive the sins of the past and chose the canidate that the neocon establishment will put forth.
Unless the american voter changes, nothing will change because the system does not want to change.
Politicians don’t depress me as much as the American voter does because they will continue to reward abuse/tyranny from "their" party (and their Govt) out of fear that the other pro-govt party could win. Where in this mess lies the protection of individual liberty is anybody's guess.
They will "talk tough" for the next 24 months, yet again making sure the flock is in order. And GOP voters will then forgive the sins of the past and chose the canidate that the neocon establishment will put forth.
Unless the american voter changes, nothing will change because the system does not want to change.
Politicians don’t depress me as much as the American voter does because they will continue to reward abuse/tyranny from "their" party (and their Govt) out of fear that the other pro-govt party could win. Where in this mess lies the protection of individual liberty is anybody's guess.
All the GOP needs to do right now is run against the Dean-chaired Democrats.
http://www.washblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=6713
...and get their voters out on election day.
Lots of people are so disgusted, they might stay home (even most of the disenfranchised don't think a third party is a serious option, sadly). And scandals involving bribes and pork are emerging often now, on both sides of the aisle.
I'd say that no one will actually win the next election. But someone will lose.
http://www.washblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=6713
...and get their voters out on election day.
Lots of people are so disgusted, they might stay home (even most of the disenfranchised don't think a third party is a serious option, sadly). And scandals involving bribes and pork are emerging often now, on both sides of the aisle.
I'd say that no one will actually win the next election. But someone will lose.
Waitone
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Too late for actions and words ain't gonna cut it any more. The only way to stave off disaster is to decide which republican party is to hold sway. Will it be the so-called conservative branch of the government or the globalist Rockefeller elitists. Then which ever branch wins will have immediately begin a stalinist purge of the opposition. That means taking pompous stuffed shirts in congress and put them on the back bench. I really don't care who wins because I perceived absolutely no difference between so-called republicans and so-called Democrats. The difference is the speed at which either goes over the cliff.
Let's wait and see what comes of the next round of immigration "reform". That one issue will tell us everything we need to know about our future. We may be reaching the point where something will break.
Let's wait and see what comes of the next round of immigration "reform". That one issue will tell us everything we need to know about our future. We may be reaching the point where something will break.
Sinsaba
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Waitone said:
+1
The way things are I can't see them ever getting fixed till they do break in an obvious (impossible to ignore) way.
Thin Black Line
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Some really good thoughts here....I can't help but think how Bush's noon
statement to the press on massive NSA surveillance will play out on the
Party as Americans express their disgust and anger.
But at least Bush informed "key members of Congress", right?
statement to the press on massive NSA surveillance will play out on the
Party as Americans express their disgust and anger.
But at least Bush informed "key members of Congress", right?
Uh, thus far a near supermajority of Americans supports the NSA surveillance.
By that, I'm not saying I do, or that I don't. I'm just reminding y'all about reality.
Americans who aren't extreme civil libertarians just plain don't give a crap about protecting people who chat with terror suspects overseas from being heard talking on the phone by No Such Agency. Maybe this announcement will change their minds, or maybe Bush has a speechwriter. I'm betting on the latter.
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The public's support of the NSA might start sinking when they realize that they are the "terrorists" being monitored, and that the NSA has recordings of every one of their late-night calls to 1-900-sleazorama, or every one of their clandestine visits to www.chickenhawk.com. It will be interesting to see if these latest revelations wake anyone up.
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I think we're seeing what obviously broken looks like right now.
I voted third party in the past three presidential elections. I almost voted for Gore in 2000 because although I detested the man, I had a terrible sense that W. might be genuinely dangerous. Then I remembered what happened the last time I voted for a major party candidate in 1992. I was so disgusted with Clinton six months into his first term that I vowed to never again vote for the lesser of two evils. I set aside what I thought were my irrational fears and voted my conscience.
I'll be danged if Bush the Younger didn't turn out to be even more dangerous than I ever imagined in my most paranoid fantasies.
dmallind
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You and me both Lobotomy Boy, with the difference that I definitely WILL vote for the lesser of two evils, beacuse a reduction in harm is morally equivalent to a benefit. If my only real choices are to be kicked in the balls or shot in the head then come on and swing at the jimmies with all you've got, pal. I can try to vote for the folks who will buy me a box of chocolates instead, but if it's 49-49-2 then a vote for the chocolates is just the same as asking for that shot to the head.
I'm voting straight Dem for the first time ever this November. Not because I agree with them in all things, or heck in some cases even most things, but because this smirking moron needs opposition somehow somewhere in government. Toyed with the idea of Libertarian - a pragmatic Libertarian who understands the economic concept of a public good would be an ideal candidate for me - but not this time. In 2008 if the Reps run someone who is less obviously inimical to all I hold dear and all the country needs than Bush is, I may go Libertarian or may even vote Republican for Pres, but not now. There must be some resistance to this insanity.
I'm voting straight Dem for the first time ever this November. Not because I agree with them in all things, or heck in some cases even most things, but because this smirking moron needs opposition somehow somewhere in government. Toyed with the idea of Libertarian - a pragmatic Libertarian who understands the economic concept of a public good would be an ideal candidate for me - but not this time. In 2008 if the Reps run someone who is less obviously inimical to all I hold dear and all the country needs than Bush is, I may go Libertarian or may even vote Republican for Pres, but not now. There must be some resistance to this insanity.
Thin Black Line
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Say it ain't so
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dmallind said:
That's not going to achieve what you think it will. It just trades names on bow of a sinking ship.
dmallind
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All I want to achieve to be honest is some semblance of opposition - some ability to slow down at least the worst excesses of the Bush cabal agenda.
Trust me I would not look to any political party - definitely not Dems - to make everything wonderful and perfect or to BE wonderful and perfect. Sometimes (like now) it's all about slowing the sinking just a little bit so we can start looking for some lifeboats.
Trust me I would not look to any political party - definitely not Dems - to make everything wonderful and perfect or to BE wonderful and perfect. Sometimes (like now) it's all about slowing the sinking just a little bit so we can start looking for some lifeboats.
rayra
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What a crappy poll, and one structured to produce just the result it did.
Every single one of the options is a presumption of guilt, that the Republican Party has maliciously done something wrong.
And nowhere in there is the treason / sedition of the Democrat party pointed out, or even alluded to.
I voted 'Other'. The Republican Party needs to ****can its RINOs, and get some damned party discipline and go on the offensive against the garbage spewed by Democrats and their cohorts in the Liberal Mainstream media.
As for the tax cuts mentioned above - they are on-track to extend them for 2yrs - which places them front and center as a campaign issue for the '08 Elections. A genius political play IMAO.
Bush has done many things in half-measures - not dominating the press; not crushing lies told about his administration; not gutting the CIA, State Dept and every other FedGov dept of the seditionist / Clinton elements seeded in them; not massively sqautting on the Middle East with our full might - or wholly wrong when it comes to the Border / Illegals. But he has not made a deliberate effort to undercut our rights, despite some mewling hand-wringing going on about the attempts to ferret out the jihadist 5th column that has long been operating within our Nation. That MUST be done, and there is no other less intrusive means to do so.
And for all the strict Constitutionalists and Libertarians out there, or the infantile children who are talking of 'firing' Republicans because they make you 'mad' - VOTE in your Primaries to toss the incumbent!
But if you go into that voting booth on November 7th and vote for a Democrat or 3rd party dumbass out of sheer spite, you'll be HANDING your rights to the biggest abuser of them - The Democrat Party.
Beat down your Congressmen and Senators' doors, MAKE them listen to your / our complaints - but don't be a fool about who you vote for.
Every single one of the options is a presumption of guilt, that the Republican Party has maliciously done something wrong.
And nowhere in there is the treason / sedition of the Democrat party pointed out, or even alluded to.
I voted 'Other'. The Republican Party needs to ****can its RINOs, and get some damned party discipline and go on the offensive against the garbage spewed by Democrats and their cohorts in the Liberal Mainstream media.
As for the tax cuts mentioned above - they are on-track to extend them for 2yrs - which places them front and center as a campaign issue for the '08 Elections. A genius political play IMAO.
Bush has done many things in half-measures - not dominating the press; not crushing lies told about his administration; not gutting the CIA, State Dept and every other FedGov dept of the seditionist / Clinton elements seeded in them; not massively sqautting on the Middle East with our full might - or wholly wrong when it comes to the Border / Illegals. But he has not made a deliberate effort to undercut our rights, despite some mewling hand-wringing going on about the attempts to ferret out the jihadist 5th column that has long been operating within our Nation. That MUST be done, and there is no other less intrusive means to do so.
And for all the strict Constitutionalists and Libertarians out there, or the infantile children who are talking of 'firing' Republicans because they make you 'mad' - VOTE in your Primaries to toss the incumbent!
But if you go into that voting booth on November 7th and vote for a Democrat or 3rd party dumbass out of sheer spite, you'll be HANDING your rights to the biggest abuser of them - The Democrat Party.
Beat down your Congressmen and Senators' doors, MAKE them listen to your / our complaints - but don't be a fool about who you vote for.
Lone_Gunman
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Thats not necessarily true.
If the Democrats can take either the House, Senate, or Presidency in 2008, then gridlock will ensue, and the flow of water into the sinking ship will stop.
I will probably vote for at least a few Democrats in 2008. If the Democrats run a left wing socialist like Kerry, Clinton, or Gore, I won't vote for them. But if they pick anyone closer to the center, say perhaps Bill Richardson of NM, I would probably vote for them over the Republican candidate.
The Democrats need to take a clue from the Republican Party. The Republican party sacrificed its conservative base by picking Bush and other neo-conservatives, who appeal to a broader audience. By the same token, the Democrats need to sacrifice their liberal left wing base to appeal to a broader audience.
Their loudest voices are their most extreme, though, Lone.
Their best chances are in the House.
But if they win, their Speaker will be Nancy Pelosi, who is not only semi-moronic, but very loud about it, and never grew up enough to stop being a leader of the far left college wacko Democrat club.
That doesn't bode well for their ability to moderate.
Lobotomy Boy
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You're 100 percent correct on that; the only thing working in the Republican's favor right now is the fact that their opponents are the Democrats, but if the Republican's situation doesn't improve soon, even NAMBLA is going to start looking like a better alternative than the Republican Party. With the Abramoff scandal picking up speed, more indictments in the Valerie Plame investigation likely, the Duke Cunningham situation getting uglier by the day, the situation in Iraq looking like exactly the kind of Quagmire that America should not be involved in, much less be responsible for, and the news about the increasing scope of questionable domestic surveillance, the Democrats are starting to look pretty good in comparison. Right now Bush's credibility is so bad that when he goes on national television and says: "We're not trolling for information," most people think, 'Uh-oh, they're trolling for information.'
I for one am not looking forward to the current crop of Democrats seizing power, but it's starting to look increasingly likely.
dmallind
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What's wrong with the North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes? Pleasant enough group of hefty older gentleman discussing genetics. Where's the beef?
Lobotomy-
Unless you've been reading nothing but Democrat propaganda, you've also read about Democrats who are being exposed as being in the same club as Cunningham. So that's a wash for either party, except that it undermines trust for BOTH.
Plame? That's a trumped-up case that nobody gives a crap about.
You're pointing to things that don't work against the GOP.
I think people care more about the fact that, with a majority of Americans wanting more border security, the Republicans are ignoring the people and trying to turn the border issue into an initiative to remove border security. People feel like we're not being heard by an elite with its own agenda (same problem that led to the Democrats losing power). It's not even about the border as much as it is about politicians working for their financial backers, not for the voters. However, the Democrats can't really capitalize on this, since they are also trying to kiss butt and lure the supposed future hordes of Hispanic voters.
I think people care more about the fact that there's a big deficit and ever more government spending, when the Republicans have said that they were for limited government.
It's more a "why bother with the GOP if they're no different?" than a push towards the left by any stretch.
Unless you've been reading nothing but Democrat propaganda, you've also read about Democrats who are being exposed as being in the same club as Cunningham. So that's a wash for either party, except that it undermines trust for BOTH.
Plame? That's a trumped-up case that nobody gives a crap about.
You're pointing to things that don't work against the GOP.
I think people care more about the fact that, with a majority of Americans wanting more border security, the Republicans are ignoring the people and trying to turn the border issue into an initiative to remove border security. People feel like we're not being heard by an elite with its own agenda (same problem that led to the Democrats losing power). It's not even about the border as much as it is about politicians working for their financial backers, not for the voters. However, the Democrats can't really capitalize on this, since they are also trying to kiss butt and lure the supposed future hordes of Hispanic voters.
I think people care more about the fact that there's a big deficit and ever more government spending, when the Republicans have said that they were for limited government.
It's more a "why bother with the GOP if they're no different?" than a push towards the left by any stretch.
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