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The last post says it all and I am a bit surprised that not all here know that FACT.
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Why are you surprised? Why would you think that? Not all of us shoot revolvers, nor do all of us read up on them either.

If this were the revolver sub-forum, I could see it a bit more, but people go there to learn things too - they don't go in there knowing everything about them. The level of knowledge ranges from beginner (or pre-beginner I guess) to experts.
 
If I lend out my gun? It is to be considered an honor that I would trust you with my weapon in the first place. Rule one, all weapons are loaded, a handgun is safe when the magazine is removed, the slide locked to the rear and the chamber empty. You will receive and return it that way.
My weapons are kept immaculate. You will receive and return it that way. Any repairs needed as a result of wear and tear will be shared by those who benefit from its use. You will return my weapons in better shape than you received them or the same shape. To trust one with your weapons is the highest honor you can bestowe upon your friend, he is a brother or she a sister entrusted with something very special. I would have it no other way.
The way your weapon was treated may have been just the way he did things and I am guilty of the same. My wheel guns I load and slap and never had an issue, weapon in a safe direction, finger off the trigger of course. I say this only because I am guilty of same, but they are mine to with what I wish. Problem is it is second nature to my reload, not an easy habit to break and I would have made the same error. Combat training means speed, speed means get it done now hence the snap. With auto's you'll see a hard slap and pull, so the round will chamber immmediately, course of fire can continue. It's all in what you know right or wrong.
 
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My weapons are kept immaculate. You will receive and return it that way. Any repairs needed as a result of wear and tear will be shared by those who benefit from its use.
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And that's fine as far as it goes. Now, if your honored friend flicks the cylinder closed on your 686 or lets the slide slam home on your Glock 19, go ahead down to your local gunsmith and ask him how much it will cost to have the resulting damage fixed.

That aught to be good for a laugh! :D
 
lol. Well one good thing, I can honestly say I learned something new as far as treatment of revolvers goes. Never used one, may never do so but I would thank the OP for that bit of info.

I can understand being anal about your stuff. I am about mine. On the flip side, unless someone is deliberately being an idiot with it, should they do something incorrect I correct them calmly. If there is something that can be a MAJOR issue, I address it before giving them my weapon. Otherwise I would chill out. Think of it as a learning experience for them. That couple of shots your revolver takes, and the follow up discussion you have about why that is a bad thing, saves the lives of many other guns down the road, lol.

There are so many different weapons, so many different designs. I can tell you even the difference in how the manufacture instructions between my 2 ARs is drastically different and they are at least mechanically very similar weapons.

My wife's KelTec has different "rules" as far as dropping the slide than my M&P. I don't assume anyone know the specifics of my firearms before using them.
 
Which M2 are you referring to? The M2 that comes to mind is the full-auto version of the M1 Carbine.

The M3 "Grease gun" was an open-bolt submachine gun, though.
 
I don't let other folks use/handle my guns and I don't ask to use or handle other folks guns.

...if you want to handle a gun, get your own! :cool:
 
Which M2 are you referring to? The M2 that comes to mind is the full-auto version of the M1 Carbine.

The M3 "Grease gun" was an open-bolt submachine gun, though.
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I was referring to the M2HB .50 cal. closed-bolt machine gun

Also, I'm not saying that the Army FMs are necessarily valid, but I think that they may be one of the sources of the slide slamming causing damage meme.

Honestly there is not much you can really do to a Ma Duece to damage it past functionality.
 
I don't let other folks use/handle my guns and I don't ask to use or handle other folks guns.

...if you want to handle a gun, get your own!
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Well ... that's a pretty sure way to see the end of the shooting community in our lifetime ...

I LIKE getting people hands-on experience with firearms. Sort of a goal of mine.
 
Sam said:
But most of this is much ado about nothing.
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True, but there's a difference between unknowingly copying stupid hollywood tricks, and abusing a gun. Someone who doesn't know better, sure, not an issue. Educate them, and go on with life. If they keep doing it, you have a problem.

Basically, doing this a couple times shouldn't damage anything. However, not saying anything about this lets people develop bad habits that can damage a firearm.
 
I think that you handled it pretty well personally. I take new shooters to the range from time to time and I generally have the conversation up front. Since we're generally at my range and our by-laws specifically state that I am responsible for them, we all have the chat beforehand and it seems to work out okay. I really haven't run into very many people that were rude or disrespectful about things like this. If they're going to be blatantly disrespectful about it, I have a cure for that too. That has not been my experience so far though. It has been a very "correctable" issue as far as I have seen.

I don't remember anything in the Army FMs about the M1911 and the slide slamming forward on an empty chamber. Army FMs really aren't my area of expertise either. I've only read one and that was for personal knowledge, it could very well exist, I just haven't seen it. I have heard some instructors say it before. The M1911 was unique for me in that I got to train with it with multiple agencies/organizations. Some of the more "high tempo" stuff, like Mark J was saying operated under the "let it slam forward" mentality. On the outside most of what I have seen concerning the 1911 was like Sam said, it was competitors.

Of the few handguns that I do own, I'm sure that I am far harder on them on them than someone flicking the cylinder closed once or twice. I don't particularly care for it, but if it happens it happens. I'll say something about it, and probably nicely. I've probably taken 7 or 8 new shooters to the range this year, of those all but one or two have continued shooting. If my cylinder had been slammed shut each time by each shooter I'd still say it was worth it in the end.
 
You did fine in both scenarios. (In my mind) I would have wanted to pistol whip them, however. :)

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Well ... that's a pretty sure way to see the end of the shooting community in our lifetime ...

I LIKE getting people hands-on experience with firearms. Sort of a goal of mine.
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Well said Sam......I teach a program..Currently advertised at the bottom of this page....

I have loaned up to 11 at a time at certain shoots...Mostly to women and children with zero experience.....Most firearms are very robust..Almost all are repairable....Salvaging 2A rights that are eroded or removed would be a very challenging task...It is far easier to protect our freedom by sharing with as many as possible..

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I have two very nice revolvers, a S&W 629, and a Colt Python. When I decided to purchase both of them, I'd spent a lot of time working overtime to achieve this goal. The Smith being stainless, it can hold up a little better than the blued version, because of tensile strength and not showing wear/scratches, etc. Now, that being said, the Python has that beautiful Royal blue finish, yes I know its a firearm also, however, neither of my revolvers are movie set pieces to have the cylinders slammed shut, twirled and possibly dropped on the ground, and treated like you once did your Mattel Fanner 50 ! It doesn't matter if its a Kimber Elite II, or an 6" Colt Python, if you want to handle these firearms, then act like you know what's going on. If you're not sure about something, then "YOU" ask before taking it and handling it! Don't always assume the gun owner is the one ultimately responsible, if you aren't sure how to be responsible about handling super nice firearms, then leave your hands off of them, that's probably a pretty good indication as to "why" you don't own a super nice firearm! I'm very particular as to whom handles my firearms, if by some perfunctory chance of your handling other tools or items in my presence, the last thing I'm going to do is give you an opportunity to screw up something I've worked long and hard to procure! If a Fanner 50 is how you want to treat a revolver, that's okay by me, get your own!
 
To the individuals here who freak out about a little abuse from time to to, hopefully you've never taken your car's engine to redline either.

That said, I've gone hollywood on my revolver a few times, I've dry-fired the hell out of my glock, and slammed the slide down on it empty countless times. After thousands of rounds through both of them, they're still shoot straight as the day I got em.
 
Unfortunately most gun handling skills that are learned by non-gun people come from the movies and tv. They are just emulating what they see and believe it to be good. When I take a new shooter to the range I mention the four rules but I am only concerned about two things. Muzzle and Trigger discipline. I watch like a hawk and will put my hand on their shoulder if I see something not right.
Most new shooters are pretty excited about making the thing go bang so I try not to overload with a bunch of information at one time.
 
SAM1911 Well, I've never heard that one before. Can't say as I really believe it, either.
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I guess you missed the part where I said: I know that the chances of damaging the breech face of a semi are pretty remote but I don't want my guns handled this way.
 
I guess you missed the part where I said:
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No, I read that. I was simply commenting on whether or not it could happen.

You're free to set whatever terms you like for how you want your guns to be treated -- right down to not wanting folks to breathe on them without first chewing a mint! :D
 
a friend of mine who doesn't know anything about firearms, overheard another friend & i talking about limp risting a pistol. well he thinks this is terrible and a firearm shouldn't do this. we explained to him that it isn't the firearms fault but the shooters, but he still didn't realy belive us. after a few weeks go by, my one friend and i were going to go rifle shooting and asked him if he wanted to go. he said he wasn't sure and had to check to see if he was free. he then looked at me and said if i go i can shoot your pistol and test that failure thing(with a smile). I SAID NO NOT WITH MY FIREARM!!! i had forgot his fascination with ftf thing becuse of limp wristing. needless to say i was not happy. he didn't know it but we were only going for rifles anyway. he not only would have handled my firearms recklessly, (imo) he would have been reckless on the range too. its one thing to experience a ftf inadvertently, as these things can happen. however to do it intentionally is reckless to me. he is the only one i would ever have to tell not only how to treet my firarms but to act responsibly on the firing line. i always go over proper safty both with firearms and range rules, but i shouldn't have to tell someone these types of things.
 
disagree bigtime

"Right, right, but read what I said back in post 9. Someone doing this once, or twice, or probably over and over for 5 minutes, hasn't actually hurt your gun in any measureable way. It isn't a good idea to make a habit of it, but there's no reason to be impolite to someone over it. Just teach them, gently, the right way to handle things and go on with your friendship. If they won't listen to you, then perhaps that is indeed RUDE, and you should reconsider their value as a freind and shooting buddy.

But most of this is much ado about nothing."


I have not figured out the quote thing,but I totally disagree as to the possible damage to the crane of a well made revolver.

If your talking Ruger,maybe it would not harm it,but they are built like tanks.

I would act the same if a 'friend' tossed a vase onto a table and it did not break = the first time.

I take pride in the items and tools that I bought and expect all to honor that.

If they cannot or will not ,then most likely they would not be a close enough person for me to hand a gun to in the first place.

But having had this happen while with a close friend and he handed it to another who was RUDE and careless with it = I said my piece and stood by that.

The wolrd may have become PC and all touchy feely,I did not and choose to be a man who speaks his mind.

I do not do so in any way to harm,but dont 'harm' me either,that includes harming my tools.
 
C'mon guys. Our guns are designed to contain thousands of little explosions over many decades. They are very unlikely to suffer from an occasional flick of the wrist our slam of a slide. I think I would just let anything go that doesn't present a safety hazard.

Now, I might not loan the offender my gun in the future, but I see no reason to bring it up after the deed is done.
 
C'mon guys. Our guns are designed to contain thousands of little explosions over many decades. They are very unlikely to suffer from an occasional flick of the wrist our slam of a slide. I think I would just let anything go that doesn't present a safety hazard.

Now, I might not loan the offender my gun in the future, but I see no reason to bring it up after the deed is done.
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I agree.........heck one of my pleasures in life is teaching others about firearms. ;)

But I don't like to loan out my chainsaw. :D
 
"flicking" a cylinder shut on any revolver is a good way to spring the crane................ seen a sprung crane lots of times....................
 
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