Howa and similar rifles, any experience?

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I've been looking for a new hunting rifle to take to college. Heading to Westminster in Utah, so it'll be in 30-06 to hunt deer, antelope, and maybe Elk. Up until now I've just used my dad's old old 700 in .243, or his father's old old old model 94 30-30 and Model 70 .270. Great rifles!
Right now, I'm checking out the Howa Kryptek rifle. Are these actually decent rifles, or just gimmicks? I like other Hogue products, are the rifle stocks nice?
http://www.legacysports.com/hogue-kryptek-rifles

The other one I'm looking at is the CZ, either the 550 American or the new 557 Sporter.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/CZ557Sporter/


Whatever I go with, I'll pair it with a Redfield Revolution 3x9. Any opinions on these rifles, or suggestions of others?
 
Howa and Weatherby use the same action. I would get a Weatherby based on how much better they look than the Howa rifles.

A CZ is ok I guess. In my mind, a Ruger M77 Hawkeye or a Remington 700 or a Winchester M70 are all better by a long shot.

Good luck.
 
Howa/Wetherby rifles have very good barrels and so-so actions.
CZs have excellent actions and so-so barrels.
A quandry indeed.
 
I have an older Weatherby Vanguard .308 I quite like, currently have a loaner Vanguard II in .223 Kryptek.
Firing the .223 for accuracy next week, but I'm thinking I'll probably end up keeping it.

I like the Weatherby Howas.
Denis

Sorry to hear about Westminster, hopefully you'll be able to resist assimilation there.
 
The howa's I have handled impressed me, and their reputation is good. The last one I handled included a nikko stirling scope that I was pleasantly surprised with. Now, cz's are nice too. I don't know the asking price of the 2 you listed, but I don't think I would pay a lot more for a cz unless you got really good wood on it. I have not seen the hogue howa stocks, but I don't care much for their ruger 10/22 stocks. They feel great but the forend has too much flex in it for my liking. But a lot of people like them, so maybe it is just me.

And finally they are not pretty, but the cheap savage axis', ruger american's, marlin's xl7's all shoot well too.
 
My 2 main bolt action hunting rifles are both Howa 1500 guns. One is in 30-06 and the other in .223. With my handloads both will consistently shoot sub 1/2MOA groups.

My Howa 1500 in 30-06 just lover 165gr and 168gr bullets.
 
I once owned a Mossberg 1500 and it was a great rifle. I'd prefer the Howa iteration over the Weatherby because I don't care for the Weatherby bolt shroud, but otherwise I'd take a Weatherby just fine.
 
Wow usually CZ's get much better reviews than they do in this thread. I know my CZ is an excellent rifle. The action is great and the barrel is accurate. And the trigger is very nice.

Howa has a good reputation and so does Weatherby. But for my best rifle I chose to buy a Savage. They are very impressive IMO. They have their issues like all things made by man. But the gun club I'm about to join is dominated by the same rifle I have which is a Savage 12 LRPV with the target action. That's not the rifle you would want for hunting but they make great hunting rifles also. I have several Savage rifles and they're all very accurate. That's what I like to see. My 30.06 is a Savage 110 FWIW.
 
Howa/Vanguard rifles are good rifles. As said Weatherby buys the Howa actions to build the Vanguard rifles on. The 2 are very similar, but with slight differences. All aftermarket parts will fit either. Weatherby made a few upgrades to the Vanguard a couple of years ago, the S2 version. I like the changes and would buy it over the Howa now. They are similar in price with the Vanguard usually a bit cheaper. A few years ago Howa was a bit cheaper.

While I like the guns quality and prefer them to a Remington, I no longer own one and don't plan on buying another. They are good guns for the money, just far heavier than I want in a rifle. The Howa action is the heaviest made and no matter how thin the barrel or light the stock, they still end up very heavy.

Not a CZ fan either. I like my 452 American well enough, but overall feel they are over rated.
 
I have three Weatherby Vanguard S2 rifles with the Howa built receivers. I couldn't be happier with them. Howa has a long history of making great rifles, including Type 99 Arisakas during WWII.
 
I owned a Howa built S&W 1500 in .30-06 that was probably the most accurate rifle I ever had. I traded it for a Win Model 70 Feather Weight 06 that is also very accurate. That was back when I could only afford one rifle. If I could find that Smith back, I'd buy it back in a second.

I bought my son a Howa 1500 youth package in .308. We both absolutely LOVE the Hogue stocks. I disagree totally with the above poster who said the Weatherbys "look nicer". The Hogue stock is the clincher between these two.

Here is a post I wrote last night to a gentleman needing to replace a cracked M700 stock.

This is an opportunity for you. I used to despise the synthetic stocks. Then one day I laid my hands on a Hogue Overmolded stock. I now have a saying. "Once you go Hogue, you never go back." These things are great in so many ways.

1. The "stick" to everything. Example: This last deer season, I laid mine on the sloped hood of my SUV. I only did this because I knew I could. (If it had been a wood or hard carbon stock, it would have slid off immediately.) Anyway, in the darkness I stowed all my other stuff, got in and drove off down the very bumpy road to the highway. You guessed it, I had left that dang rifle and its $350 scope on the hood. But it hadn't moved even an inch by the time I got to the gate. I think I could have driven the 45 miles home and it would have been right there (barring having to slam in the brakes). More importantly, this "stick to" quality causes guns with these stocks to simply feel good in your hands while hunting.

2. They are whisper quite. If you brush a typical carbon stock against tree limbs walking through the woods, it sounds like a percussion section. Not with the Hogue. Silence.

3. They deaden recoil like you wouldn't believe. Part of this is the added weight compared to a typical synthetic stock. They are a bit heavier. But man do they deaden recoil. The rubber just seems to absorb it. I used to call my Savage 110 .30-06 that came with a light synthetic stock - "the punisher." That dang thing killed on both ends! Now it kicks more like a .257 Roberts or .300 Savage. They deaden WAY more recoil than a comparatively heavy wood stock.

4. They are very durable. They don't mar or scratch like fine wood or laminated stocks. Oil or solvents do not seem to bother them either. Water certainly doesn't.

I love a fine bedded walnut stock and like the way laminates look and perform. But man, you NEED a hunting rifle with a Hogue stock. Good luck.


Also, I think CZ makes fine rifles. I own currently Winchester, Ruger, Howa, Marlin, Savage, and T/C high powered rifles. I would love to add a CZ to the mix. But I'd get a Howa with a Hogue stock first if I didn't have any of them.
 
Just my take.

I have a pair of Vanguards, one old and one a new S2. Both are very accurate. These are heavy rifles and not a lot of fun to carry. Before you buy a Howa you need to shoot a buttkicking caliber through one. I had a 308 that was very uncomfortable to shoot from the bench. The rubber adhires to your cheek and will rub a raspberry from the recoil.

If you want a quality, good looking rifle, the CZ is it. The blueing is gorgeous, they usually have really nice wood, and the ones I have had shot very well.

The Ruger Hawkeye is nice. Remington 's quality control has gone to crap. That leads us to Winchester. The new FN guns are very nice.
 
I have a Weatherby Vanguard S2 youth model in 308 (I prefer a short LOP). The rifle alone is 6.5 pounds, which is not heavy in my opinion (the youth/carbine models use a #1 contour barrel).

The Wetherby has qualities that everyone likes (accuracy, great customer support, good fit and finish) and features that you may or may not like (a monte carlo high-comb stock, two stage trigger, 24" barrels on the non-youth/carbine models). I personally have a strong preference for two-stage triggers and high-comb stocks, so the Weatherby was a no brainer for me. I will say that the two-stage trigger on the Weatherby is perfect for a hunting rifle, and even my pencil barreled youth model meets the 1 MOA claim with premium ammo. It's unbelievable to me that a $550 rifle can have fit and finish, accuracy, and features that good, but it's true.

I've no experience with the CZ so I can't comment there. My advice is to go somewhere that carries both and pick them up, examine them, and shoulder them. After you handle both in person the choice will probably be obvious.
 
I have a vanguard in 243 with a Redfield 3-9x40.
It's my go to deer rifle!!

I'd buy another weatherby without hesitation. I'm sure the Howas are just as good.
 
Howa's are good guns, but enjoy living on the heavy side. The vanguards are similar, but prettier. For quality, I would prefer one of these to a new 700 any day of the week. Older 700's are a good choice.

A Winny or a Ruger would also be a good choice. They are both good, reliable guns.

CZ's are also good choices. Good shooting, but sometimes like a Howa, a little on the heavy side. Their reliability is as good as the others I have listed.
 
I looked at several Vanguards on the used rack at Cabaelas today. They seemed heavy to me and the action wasn't all that smooth either IMO. I'm not saying they're bad rifles but I was surprised by both of those things.
 
Howa and Weatherby use the same action.

Only the Vanguards. Other Weatherbys are a different action.

I have a Vanguard in .30-06 and love it. The only knock is the weight, but I hunt from box stands, so its not a big issue.
 
Nothing wrong with Howa-Vanguards, but I think CZs are a big step above. I have a couple of each and prefer CZ hands down.
 
If the Kryptek is basically an overmolded stock, expect it to be on the heavy side for caliber. The Howa action is generally quite smooth, and the barrels are usually good shooters. Some downsides - the bolts are one piece, not a floating face like a Savage, so if you want to switch bolt faces it is not a simple matter. The barrels and receivers use a metric thread pattern, so if you want to rebarrel it may be more difficult than with another type of action like Rem 700 or Savage.

Aftermarket support for things like stocks and DBM conversions are pretty good for the Howa - better than the CZ IMO, but not as good as Rem 700 or Savage 10 based actions.
 
The Vanguard II TR Kryptek here has the standard black injection-molded stock. No rubber anywhere on it aside from the recoil pad.
They vary from model to model.

Both Vanguards I have are very smooth in bolt operation.
Triggers & safeties differ between the older Vanguards & the IIs.
Denis
 
i was offered this S&W 1500 heavy barreled .223 howa with a parked finished barrel and oil finished walnut stock. with 25grs hod. BC-2 and a 50gr nosler ballistic tip it cuts bullet holes at 100 yards. he also had a howa .338 mag in a syn stock that i now wish i had bought too. eastbank. ps the trigger was a snap to adjust down to less than 2lbs.
 

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