Hunters shooting my dogs
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As far as penning or chaining your dog during hunting season, that's good advice. Might be good advice the rest of the time too since there's no way a dog of any size is going to stay on 28 acres of his own accord.
I'm no expert on NC trespass law, but you should bone up on it. You should be able to find the state law online. It isn't rocket science, the law will clearly state what constitutes legal marking of private property and what constitutes trespassing. Your state game laws will also have a section clearly stating whether hunters have a right to persue wounded animals across private property or not. You may be surprised. Hunters may not even have to ask permission to cross your land or even to hunt on your land.
Now, the tricky part is what to do if you have trespassers and want to be both legal and alive to talk about it the next day. You'd better discuss that with the local sheriff and game warden. An infrared trail camera helps document your claims. Just be sure it is never going to be seen though.
I'm no expert on NC trespass law, but you should bone up on it. You should be able to find the state law online. It isn't rocket science, the law will clearly state what constitutes legal marking of private property and what constitutes trespassing. Your state game laws will also have a section clearly stating whether hunters have a right to persue wounded animals across private property or not. You may be surprised. Hunters may not even have to ask permission to cross your land or even to hunt on your land.
Now, the tricky part is what to do if you have trespassers and want to be both legal and alive to talk about it the next day. You'd better discuss that with the local sheriff and game warden. An infrared trail camera helps document your claims. Just be sure it is never going to be seen though.
I would never shoot a dog even if it was chasing a deer I would take a shot at the deer. In missouri it is illegal to shoot dogs even if they are on your property. I have a squirrel and coon dog that sometimes hunts a little deep and might cross property lines on rare occasions does that mean she deserves to be shot? I think not. Shooting the dog hurts the hunting more than the dog does.
Owen
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In South Carolina, where most hunting is done on leases by hunt clubs, the general rule seems to be every dog seen on the lease is a dead dog.
28 acres is a small property. From some of the things I've read the normal territory of a dog is about 5 square miles. IIRC, 1 sqm is 640 acres.
28 acres is a small property. From some of the things I've read the normal territory of a dog is about 5 square miles. IIRC, 1 sqm is 640 acres.
Conwict, sorry that your dogs were killed. I have had two killed myself. Both were house dogs that were let out to "relieve themselves", both shots were heard and both dogs were found just inside the woods from my parents house.
As for those that say killing a dog is justified, or O.K., you need help.
I hunt everything from deer, turkey, dove, squirrel, and rabbit every year and I eat the meat. So should I add dog to my diet just because they are there with the deer?
I am not saying that a wild dog should not be taken to preserve the game in the area. I am simply stating that every dog that runs across your stand should not be shot. Hunters are after all here to take game animals, right?
As for those that say killing a dog is justified, or O.K., you need help.
I hunt everything from deer, turkey, dove, squirrel, and rabbit every year and I eat the meat. So should I add dog to my diet just because they are there with the deer?
I am not saying that a wild dog should not be taken to preserve the game in the area. I am simply stating that every dog that runs across your stand should not be shot. Hunters are after all here to take game animals, right?
Vern Humphrey
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If you know your dog is crossing property lines, then you are tresspassing.
Art Eatman
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I've always figured to know the landowners around me. That way I know if they care or don't care about my traipsing through their territory.
Back when I was a kid, my grandfather had a 150-acre place. But I had the free run of around a thousand acres around his. we knew the neighbors.
Same deal now for me in the back country. Lots of absentee-owner small tracts of 20 and 40 acres. Those of us who actually go out and meddle around have evolved a "code of the West" deal: As long as you don't hunt through the middle of somebody's camp, go where you want. Stop by for coffee, any time...
, Art
Back when I was a kid, my grandfather had a 150-acre place. But I had the free run of around a thousand acres around his. we knew the neighbors.
Same deal now for me in the back country. Lots of absentee-owner small tracts of 20 and 40 acres. Those of us who actually go out and meddle around have evolved a "code of the West" deal: As long as you don't hunt through the middle of somebody's camp, go where you want. Stop by for coffee, any time...
, ArtA couple of points.
I tend to view the treatment of dogs and children as two of the best indicators of a persons worth. Those who feel the need to be needlessly cruel to either are not worth much. It is ok to shoot a dog under pretty much the same circumstance in which it is ok to shoot a man. If they are putting you and yours, or even you property, in danger then it is acceptable to shoot. One should try less extreme methods if possible though. Dogs running deer or even cattle can be delt with far more decently than just shooting them. Domestic dogs are, as a general rule, pretty good about stopping what they are doing when a human yells and approaches. Those to dense for that are often gun shy and can be ran away with a shot into the ground. People shooting dogs to stop them in these circumsances without trying to run them off are just being mean and lazy and would probably like to deal with annoying people in a similar manner.
As to the hunters shooting dogs. I would have no trouble believing this out of MANY deer hunters. Before anyone gets up in arms over that statement I to hunt and that includes deer. The ones I'm refering to rarely hunt anything else and tend to view deer hunting as some sort of religion. We have a lot of them in the part of ky I live in. Many of this same croud get bore and shoot at whatever is near which can include vehicles, cattle, and pets, as well as carelessly discharging their weapons in the directions of other hunters. These same people are the ones who litter local road sides with deer carcasses and make the rest of us look bad to non hunters. I know quite a few hunters who avoid going out the first week of modern gun deer season due the very high concentration of these types then. I also know a guy who likes to hunt squirils with a dog but has to wait until archery season is over on account of bow hunters trying to stick arrows in his dog which is scenting squirels and NOT chasing those beloved deer.
Some dogs actually do stay on their home property. Our neighbors dogs are not fenced or tied and they don't leave their land. Our dogs do leave our land but the territory they range into belongs to a friend of ours who is fine with them. Actually our free range dogs do alot to keep agressive strays, coyotes, and crop eating from getting to comfy in the valley, all while leaving alone other pets and livestock.
Best of luck with the jerks who messed with your dog and I hope he turns up.
I tend to view the treatment of dogs and children as two of the best indicators of a persons worth. Those who feel the need to be needlessly cruel to either are not worth much. It is ok to shoot a dog under pretty much the same circumstance in which it is ok to shoot a man. If they are putting you and yours, or even you property, in danger then it is acceptable to shoot. One should try less extreme methods if possible though. Dogs running deer or even cattle can be delt with far more decently than just shooting them. Domestic dogs are, as a general rule, pretty good about stopping what they are doing when a human yells and approaches. Those to dense for that are often gun shy and can be ran away with a shot into the ground. People shooting dogs to stop them in these circumsances without trying to run them off are just being mean and lazy and would probably like to deal with annoying people in a similar manner.
As to the hunters shooting dogs. I would have no trouble believing this out of MANY deer hunters. Before anyone gets up in arms over that statement I to hunt and that includes deer. The ones I'm refering to rarely hunt anything else and tend to view deer hunting as some sort of religion. We have a lot of them in the part of ky I live in. Many of this same croud get bore and shoot at whatever is near which can include vehicles, cattle, and pets, as well as carelessly discharging their weapons in the directions of other hunters. These same people are the ones who litter local road sides with deer carcasses and make the rest of us look bad to non hunters. I know quite a few hunters who avoid going out the first week of modern gun deer season due the very high concentration of these types then. I also know a guy who likes to hunt squirils with a dog but has to wait until archery season is over on account of bow hunters trying to stick arrows in his dog which is scenting squirels and NOT chasing those beloved deer.
Some dogs actually do stay on their home property. Our neighbors dogs are not fenced or tied and they don't leave their land. Our dogs do leave our land but the territory they range into belongs to a friend of ours who is fine with them. Actually our free range dogs do alot to keep agressive strays, coyotes, and crop eating from getting to comfy in the valley, all while leaving alone other pets and livestock.
Best of luck with the jerks who messed with your dog and I hope he turns up.
Vern Humphrey
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I take it you have never owned cattle or sheep.
TEDDY
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as far as I am aware in SC you dont hunt on land that you dont have writen permission for.I stopped the hunters on my land because there was damage to my fences and gates.and someone went thru with a brush hog.my cats are being killed by dogs and I will shoot them.but I know every dog in naborhood and wont shoot them.I have watched a male and female for and two possums eat together and the cats lay there and watch them.two kittens and one of the possums was found in back of house dead not 60 ft from house.I like animals and if I have to kill something will feel very depressed
but like was posted some hunters? will kill any thing.I have 90 acreas and am gateway to 200/300 more.
In this case I would get the coat in orange.then see if the dog gets shot.but I would also talk to hunter who shot dog.perhaps take the sheriff or game warden with me.
as far as I am aware in SC you dont hunt on land that you dont have writen permission for.I stopped the hunters on my land because there was damage to my fences and gates.and someone went thru with a brush hog.my cats are being killed by dogs and I will shoot them.but I know every dog in naborhood and wont shoot them.I have watched a male and female for and two possums eat together and the cats lay there and watch them.two kittens and one of the possums was found in back of house dead not 60 ft from house.I like animals and if I have to kill something will feel very depressed
but like was posted some hunters? will kill any thing.I have 90 acreas and am gateway to 200/300 more.
In this case I would get the coat in orange.then see if the dog gets shot.but I would also talk to hunter who shot dog.perhaps take the sheriff or game warden with me.
I hate to hear this and would really be upset if someone shot my dog.
Where we hunt they let a hunter come in to get a deer that was hit and after hearing a shot (that killed the Family Dog). They brought it back in thier truck and said they thought it was the Deer. They were lucky to get away when the owner went to get his gun. Get some friends or people you trust to keep an eye on things.
Where we hunt they let a hunter come in to get a deer that was hit and after hearing a shot (that killed the Family Dog). They brought it back in thier truck and said they thought it was the Deer. They were lucky to get away when the owner went to get his gun. Get some friends or people you trust to keep an eye on things.
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i think you are lucky that it is just your dog
the people up the road from my sister ( its about a mile to the nearest house)
they have had 2 bullets go thru windows in their house just this hunting season. and they cant really do anyhting about it because the directions the bullets are coming from are from gamelands
the people up the road from my sister ( its about a mile to the nearest house)
they have had 2 bullets go thru windows in their house just this hunting season. and they cant really do anyhting about it because the directions the bullets are coming from are from gamelands
sorry, to hear about your dog. i have a siberian husky that is 10 years old that i'm close to.
i have a ranch near the king ranch that gets poachers. my experience is limited since we don't have a house there. in texas, there is a reward for spotting poachers.
if you confront the poachers, you can be as nice as you want, but don't give permission to stay on the property. when the game warden gets there, he will want to catch them for trespassing. if you give them any kind of permission to be on the property, they can do nothing and everyone's time is wasted.
i have a ranch near the king ranch that gets poachers. my experience is limited since we don't have a house there. in texas, there is a reward for spotting poachers.
if you confront the poachers, you can be as nice as you want, but don't give permission to stay on the property. when the game warden gets there, he will want to catch them for trespassing. if you give them any kind of permission to be on the property, they can do nothing and everyone's time is wasted.
Vern Humphrey
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I have and do.
When he was in high school, my brother raised sheep to pay for his college education. One morning we found the whole flock -- 60 sheep -- all dead, throats ripped out. They had been killed the night before by feral dogs.
Tell me how we were supposed to yell "Stop!" in the middle of the night at dogs that were more than a mile away.
XDKingslayer
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Because some dogs will run a deer to death.
In Pennsylvania, if you see a dog chasing a deer on public land you can legally shoot the dog. You do have to notify the game commision though.
Vern Humphrey
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That's an old wives tale. When I lived in Virginia, I belonged to a hunt club that leased 6,400 acres. One of the terms of membership was to participate in a number of cooperative deer hunts a year -- hunts with dogs.
You rarely see deer running from dogs. They just move steadily, and stay ahead. When the occasional dog gets close enough, they put on a burst of speed, but soon slow down. And that's deer being hunted by dogs bred for hunting, and with lots of hunting experience.
I don't have a problem with that at all.
Vern, I would think that it would be equally difficult to shoot them under those circumstances as well since you were all asleep indoors and not with the sheep. Not saying you should post a guard with livestock 24/7, just making the point that if you are not there when it happens you can neither shoot or stop them otherwise as I suggested.
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Vern Humphrey
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That's why you shoot on sight.
And if you hear dogs, or see dog tracks on your property, you track them down.
In other words, kill them before they go on a rampage with your sheep.
Art Eatman
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Feral dogs are a common problem. Yes, they will kill livestock.
But that issue is off-topic for this thread. The general subject is how to deal with one's house dogs and slob hunters. Real-world solutions, not ranting and venting.
Otherwise, this thread won't last much longer...
Art
But that issue is off-topic for this thread. The general subject is how to deal with one's house dogs and slob hunters. Real-world solutions, not ranting and venting.
Otherwise, this thread won't last much longer...
Art
Vern Humphrey
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The answer is, patrol your property for tresspassers -- which you'd do even if you had no dogs -- and keep your dogs under control.
TexasSkyhawk
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Agree 1000%
Shoot my dogs and I'll do whatever it takes and spend whatever it takes to track the S.O.B. (s) down.
Then we'll see just how brave and manly they are.
Burns my ass big time. And a good reason why hunting land is getting so restricted. Freaking idiot alpha hotels.
Jeff
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If coyotes can do it, so can domestics.
Vern Humphrey
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Where's the evidence that coyotes "run deer to death?"
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