Hypothetical CCW Situation? Your Opinions Please.

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So my parents recently retired. They're driving from their home in Alaska to Charleston, S.C.

Long story short, yesterday morning (around 9AM) they were checking out of their hotel in Knoxville, Tennessee. Just before they hit the road, my dad went to the hotel's breakfast buffet to fill up his coffee. Meanwhile, my mom went outside in the parking lot to put her bags in the car. As she was standing on the car's driver side, casually waiting on my dad to come out, an SUV abruptly pulled up in front of her. The driver stepped out nude from the waist down, showing off a massive erection. He then began to franticly masturbate while starring down my mother from about 10 feet away (very romantic, I know). My mom wasn't so much freaked out as she was confused and unsure if what she was seeing was real. As she came to her senses, she took an about face, and ran into the hotel as fast as she could to get my dad and alert the hotel staff. Of course by the time my dad got outside to confront the guy, he was long gone. Unfortunately, my mom did not get his license plate (something she's been beating herself up over).

So my question is this... Both of my parents are CCW holders, however, because they had to drive through Canada they did not have their guns on them at the time, and will not have them until I fly down to Charleston next week. If, however, my mom did have her gun on her at the time, would it have been appropriate to brandish it in hopes of driving "Captain Romantic" away from her, or would that have been a no no?

I'm sort of conflicted about this one. Although the guy wasn't exactly posing an immediate threat, it sure seems like a middle aged woman who is alone in a parking lot might see it a lot differently. Also, my mom was able to run away from the guy, so there was never a time where she felt trapped, but the guy was obviously unstable, and who knows what could have happened by turning her back on him?

I know there's a lot of gray area here, and you could obviously make an argument for either way, but assume it was your wife or mother, and assume she was legally armed. What would you have her do?
 
This happened to me years ago. It did scare me but I thought the same,"what if it was my mom or sister targeted".

I would suggest taking a picture or video with phone, prepared to arm if the guy approaches. Be sure to get the mans face, his lewd exposure, then license plate. The man who targeted me slunk away when I confronted him. Call police.
 
My Mom had a very similar flasher story from when she was a young girl with her sister, from her story it seems peels of laughter can deflate an ego no matter how massive its owner thinks it is.

Although the guy wasn't exactly posing an immediate threat, it sure seems like a middle aged woman who is alone in a parking lot might see it a lot differently. Also, my mom was able to run away from the guy, so there was never a time where she felt trapped,

No immediate threat; easy, safe avenue of retreat; no pursuit; hands occupied; there was nothing to pull a weapon for that would not have been better by an aggressive display of punting skills.
 
as creepy as it may be.....it doesnt sound like he wanted to cause her any physical harm....

and you dont pull a weapon unless your life is in eminent danger......so it would not have been appropriate to pull a gun....

however....i would have pulled a can of mace and emptied on that poor creep......
 
No reason to pull a gun, that guy was probably harmless in that situation, and as long as he kept his distance didn't warrant force.

However someone willing to do that clearly has some issues, and should be brought to the attention of authorities before that type of inappropriate action no longer excites them and what they are willing to do for excitement escalates.
They could become a more dangerous sexual predator.

Since she was not armed running away was a good course of action as her options were more limited if things did get worse.

Someone armed might choose to remain in the situation longer in order to obtain a photo for law enforcement if they do not feel in danger.
Maybe from inside the locked vehicle.

After the situation I would have gone around to local businesses including the hotel to see if they have video footage or obvious cameras outside (in case the business lies about it). You may need LEO on scene first for some stubborn businesses to cooperate.
Assuming the license plate on the vehicle is real or an image of the individual can be obtained, that would give a good start for an investigation and maybe get the guy on the radar of law enforcement.
 
No immediate threat; easy, safe avenue of retreat; no pursuit; hands occupied; there was nothing to pull a weapon for that would not have been better by an aggressive display of punting skills.

Actually, many states allow a person to defend themselves from a sexual assault in the same way that they would a danger to life or limb. Check the laws in your state before acting on this.

What if the perp had more time and his intended ending was something from Silence of the Lambs? I'm not saying it was or wasn't; rather, I contend that we don't know. It could even have been more sinister. The idea of a relation of mine contracting a disease because they got... genetic material flung in their eye doesn't sit well, and I wouldn't blame someone for drawing in that situation.
 
Your mother should learn to laugh on cue. Surely she has seen a penis before (it won't make her go blind); in more appropriate and perhaps romantic fashion I suppose (you appear to be evidence of that fact). Some clown yanking his johnson in public is both absurd (hence funny) and tragic (another sick mind). She laughs, gets as many details as possible while moving toward sane people (who will help and shield her) and she calls the cops.

No gun, no spray--just common sense. Remember that???
 
Why would she pull out a gun? He didn't do anything to her, did he? :) The man was quietly doing his thing from a distance, what's the big deal... It would have been nice to have a gun just in case, but that applies to any situation.
 
Shoulda kicked him right in the junk... He might have been trying to "shoot" her with um...er... his stuff... There's all kinds of diseases she could contract.

A kick in the junk, followed by mace to both the face and peen would be ideal. Then she'd have plenty of time to snap pictures of the perv and his license plate number.
 
I don't know. In a situation like that, I don't think its too crazy to imagine you're about to be victim of some type of sexual assault.

If he was 50ft away, maybe its easier to conclude that you're not in any danger. But an attacker can close 10ft on your like *that*.
 
I think that if he began to approach her, had his hands out and/or said anything to indicate he intended to sexually attack her, or had a weapon, my answer would be different. In this case, it's just a guy being a jackass. I have to admit, I laughed.
 
Although the guy wasn't exactly posing an immediate threat,

While SHOOTING the individual would not be warranted, his behavior was NOT normal, and WOULD warrant presenting a firearm for defense should his behavior suddenly become violent.
 
There's a guy in my area that has been arrested over 40 times
for the same thing. Since it's not a felony, not much jail time.
 
There was no immediate threat or fear of imminent bodily injury there. Had it been me in that situation I would have been prepared to draw, but would have left it holstered until he did something (more) untoward. Get the plate number and tell Johnny Law.
 
It sounds like your mother played into the weirdos hands... Running away, dazed and horrified, is exactly the reaction he was likely seeking.

Not saying she shouldn't have, as he may have been dangerous... but for an unarmed victim, it seems like a no-win to me.
 
OC spray to the privates will leave a lasting impression. Just ask anybody who's trained with it and forgot to wash their hands thoroughly before going to the restroom.

If, however, my mom did have her gun on her at the time, would it have been appropriate to brandish it in hopes of driving "Captain Romantic" away from her, or would that have been a no no?

Is he threatening her life? Doesn't appear to be. He isn't moving forward to attack her, either. I would say that this isn't an appropriate situation to brandish a firearm.

My mom is a fiery, stubborn retired woman. She would have brandished it knowing that she was in the wrong. That doesn't make it right, though.
 
If this happened to my wife, I would hope that she would lock herself in the car or would have retreated to a safe place such as inside the hotel. If the deviant tried to force his way in to the car or followed her into the hotel, then all bets are off.

I have always been of the opinion that unholstering a weapon if there is a reasonable expectation that it might have to be used is not actually 'brandishing'. Especially in a situation like this where the deviant was a mere ten feet away from your mother..
 
Actually, many states allow a person to defend themselves from a sexual assault in the same way that they would a danger to life or limb. Check the laws in your state before acting on this.

But since most states treat flashing as a misdemeanor, and in this case it definitely is in Tenn., using lethal force then claiming 'sexual assault' might not be a winning strategy. Just because something is a sexual offense doesn't mean you can shoot someone to make them stop.


In Tennessee, “sexual offenses” include crimes against persons such as rape and sexual battery, as well as offenses against public morality such as public indecency, indecent exposure and prostitution, all of which are Class B misdemeanors. See T.C.A. § 39-13-501 et seq.
 
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