I Am Not Sure What Kind of Ammo it Takes....

[Titan6]

Yeah, and when I ask them "When are you going to the range, maybe i can come along?" far too many looked shocked as if actually shooting the weapon had never really occurred to them . . .

I asked him about local shooting ranges and he did not know of any, even though he had lived in the area for more than 10 years and I have lived here for three months. I told him where a few were and was hoping that he might ask for help but his wife appeared and he moved on.

BS!. He must not have been in the US Army because very few people forget their weapons training

I don't know about that. I've seen guys that could not remember pistol training a year later, never mind 15 years.

but its been 15 yrs since I shot a gun and you just don't forget something, but if you did qualify in the military you don't call your weapon a gun...

Interesting, actually he called it his "9mil". I am in the military and I call guns, "guns" all the time. We don't need to be so anal on this board. Clearly he did not shoot it much from our conversation.

Rockwell1, The US Army I was in had everyone qualify with a weapon, regaurdless of MOS. Even Dr's, nurses, clerks, cooks etc. Its was called basic training.

Drs and RNs don't go to basic training. They do have weapons training but it is much shorter and simpler than say even a clerk or cook would get.

Just today at WalMart a customer was telling the manager that the reason ammo was disappearing is that Obama ordered them all coated with and numbered.

I did not really want to talk about Walmart much in this thread and almost left the name out entirely... but after the man left I was talking to the clerk about how sales were going and of course she was complaining that it was flying off the shelves and she could not even leave the counter. This was all because Obama was either; banning ammo, taxing it to 300-400%, was going to put serial numbers on it or was going to take over all the ammo companies.

Strange..... I thought....
Most Wal-Mart clerks are not conspiracy nuts... but I had shopping to do and went and picked up my groceries. 30 minutes later I was walking by the counter again there was a small crowd of about five middle aged white men with stacks of ammo in front of them buying ammo. I caught snatches of the conversation.....

"....yep that's right Obama is going to put a 300% tax on ammo, I saw the law the other day on the internet....."

"....with the economy the way it is "they" are going to use it as an excuse to take over"

And more such drivel..... It sure explained where she got her ideas from hearing that all day. These ideas are all so strange since Obama has actually opposed every anti-gun measure and regulation that has come across his desk since entering into office. I guess he must be lulling everyone into a false sense of security and creating a panic by supporting guns rights?

(mounts soap box)

I can't answer that question but I don't want to spoil a good panic either. Guns and ammo are one of two investments that I currently hold that have steadily appreciated in value since this unholy mess was uncovered. So believe what you want instead of what is actually happening, that is how we got to where we are now with record high prices and ammo shortages.

 

[jerkface11]

This is wal-mart, I'm pretty sure he didn't know about the one handgun made that can shoot 30-30.

There's more than one. You've got Thompson Center single shots in 3 different flavors and BFR revolvers. .30-30 is probably the most common "rifle" cartridge for handguns.

 

[Auburn1992]

/\ Something like .308 or .243 is actually probably more common.

You've got the Savage strikers, Remington XP100's, and those weatherby handguns; not to mention all of the Thompsons.

 

[bdickens]

Chuckusaret:

I call BS on your BS.

As a Sergeant, I was frequently tasked to be a range safety at the qualification ranges. Every time -- every time -- I had to deal with at least one soldier who didn't know how to load the weapon, didn't know how to clear the weapon, didn't know how to apply remedial action, didn't know how to zero the weapon, etc, etc, etc. Sometimes that soldier was a fellow "NCO!" (Note the quotes.) More than once I had to kick someone off the range to go back through the remedial training they had just been through prior to coming out on the line.

 

[Titan6]

More than once I had to kick someone off the range to go back through the remedial training they had just been through prior to coming out on the line.

Makes you want to do this :banghead: :banghead: some days.....

 

[chuckusaret]

OBC

The Officers Basic Course at Fort Benning Ga. included marksmanship training for all who were in attendance, and they were required to make a qualifying
score to pass the course.

 

[Rockwell1]

The Officers Basic Course at Fort Benning Ga. included marksmanship training for all who were in attendance, and they were required to make a qualifying
score to pass the course

And I'll bet not a one of them was a Thoracic Surgeon who was getting 50K a year in bonus money to stay in.

Ft Sam doesn't even have a range on it.

I went through PLDC with a Sgt. who was 3 months out of Basic. She came in as an LPN (91C) did basic as an E4 got her 5 the day she graduated basic and went straight to her unit.

The Army is hurting for medical specialties, they bend the rules.

Or I'm just lying because I like to argue with someone I've never met an have no personal animosity toward.

You pick

 

[bandur60]

At the local gun show last weekend I was doing a transaction with a licensed dealer when an "attendee" (is that a generic enough description?) asked him about a gun his buddy had. "It's a 338, how much is it worth?" Turned out the buddy wants to trade for his snow cat. How's that for a couple of wild cards?

Note: I'm not judging, merely reporting.

 

[CoRoMo]

That reminds me of someone's post a long time ago about being at a gun shop when a young, excited guy comes in asking to buy some ammo. Clerk asked what type and the kid says something like,

"Anything. It doesn't matter. I just need some ammo!"​

 

[kanook]

my friend has a remington pump action rifle. on the barrel where the caliber is marked is says 308 savage. he tried regular 308 and the shell got stuck in the chamber. i did not see this firearm prior to shooting, only after. it appears too be well maintained (very clean, no rust, ect...) after searching my loading books and a google search I can't find a thing. was this by chance jam or is there really a 308 savage caliber?

 

[Jim K]

Kanook, AFAIK there is no .308 Savage, but quite a few of the older Remington rifles were chambered for the .300 Savage, including the Model 760 pump.

Another round that causes confusion is .303 Savage (a long obsolete caliber) which sometimes was/is confused with .303 British, especially since Savage made No. 4 rifles for the British in .303 British caliber. I know of no Remington rifle chambered for .303 Savage, though.

FWIW, the kind of ignorance described was around long before there was a Walmart. I once had a guy ask for "dirty caliber boolets". I asked him what weight but he didn't know, so I got down a box of Sierra 150 grain. "Dem ain't no boolets," the genius informed me, "Dem's duh heads, I wants duh boolets." Of course he had no idea what "boolets" his rifle used, what was marked on it, or even how it operated. I suggested he check the marking on the gun and come back; he never did.

Jim

 

[Lightninstrike]

We ALL started somewhere. Be patient, help to bring them over to the right side. After all, they DID buy a gun. God Bless America.

Yep, an armed society is a safe and polite one.

 

[jimmertoons]

I have been helping at the CSSA booth at local gun shows on a regular basis for the past 9 or so months. I have had numerous people come up and state "I am going to buy a gun, and get my ccw permit. What gun should I get?" After taking a deep breath, I explain that it is a personal choice. What do they want it for? How many rounds do they want to carry? Have they done any shooting before? Hown much do they want to spend? I urge them to take a class, with someone that has a live-fire portion to the training. Try several different models and calibers, see which fit their hands. Plan on spending the time and money to practice. I get some deer-in-headlight looks, but I feel it is better to open someones eyes, than to spit bull at them.

 

[GordonDET]

Org. posted by rockwel1
"And I'll bet not a one of them was a Thoracic Surgeon who was getting 50K a year in bonus money to stay in.

Ft Sam doesn't even have a range on it.

I went through PLDC with a Sgt. who was 3 months out of Basic. She came in as an LPN (91C) did basic as an E4 got her 5 the day she graduated basic and went straight to her unit.

The Army is hurting for medical specialties, they bend the rules.

Or I'm just lying because I like to argue with someone I've never met an have no personal animosity toward.

You pick"


When I was at Ft Sam, I did field training w/ the docs. The field training was not on ft sam, it was a a field training area north of town. Camp Bullis, there they conduct the field training (battlefield triage, firing range, etc). I loved ft. sam.... I was sent to ft mcclean, alabama after that........ that sucked.

 

[JWJacobVT]

I remember bullis well,but I went there as a AF Security police 1978. Now FT Sam 1986/1994/1997 is another story, but will have to agree with Rock. I was an Army medic for 18 years retiring in 2004. I also ran the firing ranges for my medics/nurses/docs. I had one doc and one male nurse that could shoot, of course it was their hobby. Most of the other medics could shoot,however the other docs and nurses OMG. I have had more than one put rounds right between her/his feet. The best was the two finger grip hang (like a smelly pair of socks) and the question "Do I really have to shoot this" Oh I miss those days.NOT

 

[TCOV]

WalMart has 45 Colt????

 

[Rockwell1]

I want to be clear (even though my posts weren't ) enlisted all went through BRM and depending on your duty station did range quals. When I was assigned to Meddac Peden Barracks I had TA-50 and participated in FTXs, ditto 423 Medical Clearing Co. and 4th FSB.
When I was assigned to Madigan AMC and Evans ACH I wasn't issued TA-50 or an individual weapon, and NEVER went to the range. Hell, I only went to formation twice during my last two years in.

The officers (Doctors especially) didn't have to play around with that unless they chose to.

I went to NTC with a Dentist who had been in the Army 4 years and never fired a weapon

The point here was and is, "Don't be so quick to yell BS when someone says they ran into a prior service member that knew jack about firearms."

If I was going to make up war stories wouldn't I have cast myself as something a little more high speed low drag than a Medical Records Clerk ? Come on guys think it through.

 

[HarleyFixer]

BS!. He must not have been in the US Army because very few people forget their weapons training

Unless you are in an MOS that requires it, you DO NOT qualify with a pistol in the Army these days. So.............even if he remembered his training with an M-16 it would help him much with pistol ammo.:banghead:

 

[JWJacobVT]

I agree harley. I have a coworker (former marine) that had a difficult time qualifying with a handgun. Why because all he ever shot in the marines was a rifle. Oh he was given an M9 but never got to qualify or shoot it. Most Army MOS do not get pistols, unless you are going to the sandbox and can get your commander to issue them. When I went over in 2003, E7 and below got rifles only, E8 and above got pistols only. I made a point for my medics and the E7 medics got pistols only. Than we were told there had to be a long gun in each off post vehicle and to trade pistol for rifle of someone not leaving compound that day. NOT I kept my pistol always and was issued a AMD 65 first than a M4 when more came in country. Some of the 10 Mountain 11B carried pistols&rifles&shotguns and etc, but most other MOS carried only a rifle.

 

[mbt2001]

I agree, we have all been FNG's at one point. Cut the dude some slack and help the noobs. They are not going to learn unless we do. FNG's make mistakes that could get someone killed, they will ONLY know once they have been taught otherwise.

We often pick apart stories about someone breaking the 4 rules and 9 times out of 10 they are gun owners like the ones we are talking about here.

 

[Eagles6]

These ideas are all so strange since Obama has actually opposed every anti-gun measure and regulation that has come across his desk since entering into office.

What "anti-gun measures and regulations" have come across his desk since entering into office?

 

[ar10]

My "horror stories" come from the range, but I see a lot, (I mean a lot), of noob's that bought guns and got the wrong ammo. In fact, we're seeing a huge increase of them coming to the range with new and not so new guns.
The typical scenario is they, (sometimes 4 or 5 in a group) show up at the office, sign the paperwork and then I get them. The range is busy as hell and they walk through the door w/o any ear or eye protection on. I push them back to the office or off the range to get their stuff on and while outside I ask if they any loaded guns, if they do it take them to the discharge barrel to empty their weapons. I've had two instances of people fired the weapon in the box thinking they were supposed to empty their weapon by discharging the whole magazine. It goes on and on. i'm seeing a increase of people buying guns that don't have a clue about guns or the safety of handling guns.

 

[bigfatdave]

I've had two instances of people fired the weapon in the box thinking they were supposed to empty their weapon by discharging the whole magazine.

Really?
Amazing ... while you should be able to count on the intelligence of a citizen, apparently it is time for (large print, simple English) instructions to be posted at the clearing barrel.

 

[mcdonl]

Cabelas get's so many people trying to bring ammo back (Against thier policy....) that they make you verify at the time of purchase that you have the right kind. PITA.

Leroy

 

[xsquidgator]

I went to NTC with a Dentist who had been in the Army 4 years and never fired a weapon

The point here was and is, "Don't be so quick to yell BS when someone says they ran into a prior service member that knew jack about firearms."

You bet!

I was a Navy line officer from '87-'95, and was only issued a firearm (USGI 1911 even then) a couple of times. All of you Army guy's complaining about nurses, physicians etc who couldn't shoot? Try sailors! I was the security officer on my ship which made me responsible for small arms stuff that we did, and it was a pretty low priority in submarines back then let me tell you.

(to topside sentries standing guard with a 12 gauge and a 1911) "Hey sailor, why don't you show me the safety catch on that?" "Sure thing Sir!" (hits mag release instead). (Palm-to-face)

Thank goodness we usually had a bunch of Marines on the tender next to us to provide security. There was a small bunch of us, maybe a half-dozen out of 150 crew, who were interested in small arms and shooting, but that was it. We did have one experienced small arms instructor on crew, and he'd take us to a private range after hours with our own guns and ammo and give us coaching and the like. But the government? Uh uh.

I got distracted and forgot to respond to your point about a dentist who hadn't shot a gun in 4 years. A friend of mine from back then stayed in the reserves and is now a Commander (O-5). He told me that he has not once in 20 years ever fired a gun in the Navy. All he knows about guns is going out to the range with me or other friends. And he's a Line Officer! (not a staff corps type like a nurse or dentist, but eligible for command at sea kind of Line Officer)