I have a pistol dilemma ?

[joneb]

I've been carrying a Sig P938 Legion for a couple of years, and it has served me well.
I'm thinking of getting the Sig 365 XL but I'm having a hard time deciding with or W/O the thumb safety
Your thoughts will be much appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[gotboostvr]

I've been carrying a Sig P938 Legion for a couple of years, and it has served me well.
I'm thinking of getting the Sig 365 XL but I'm having a hard time deciding with or W/O the thumb safety
Your thoughts will be much appreciated.
Thanks.

I like my 365 without safety, for whatever that's worth. A good holster (not the Sig made one) and you'll be plenty safe.

 

[Hugger-4641]

That's a really personal choice and depends mostly on your lifestyle and your training and habits.
Personally, I can carry either as I have practiced extensively switching off a safety as I draw. I live out in the country and when I'm out on the farm or working outdoors, I often do carry something with a safety like my Cz52 or my G3C.
For edc out in public, I prefer something without a safety like my XD40 or Lcp.

 

[CNobbe]

Tough call. If you're used to flipping a safety on/off all the time it might make sense, but the safety levers (in my opinion) aren't that great. You can add a safety to a 365, just need the parts kit and a grip module cut for it. I still have a Colt Mustang .380, easy to use the safety, but none of my striker guns have safety levers. I just don't see the need.

 

[joneb]

Thanks for the replies, being used to the 938 and 1911 style pistols I thought getting the 365 XL with the safety it could be carried on or off with the correct holster.

 

[ontarget]

I'm glad my 1911s have thumb safeties, being SA, and carried locked and cocked. I'm comfortable carrying my LCP Max without a safety in a good IWB holster. I carried a Snub 38 for years without a safety in a good IWB holster.
With or without a manual safety is a very personal choice and should be dependent on your training and experience.
The holster you choose also needs to be part of your equation.

 

[Hugger-4641]

Thanks for the replies, being used to the 938 and 1911 style pistols I thought getting the 365 XL with the safety it could be carried on or off with the correct holster.

You are correct, and my wife carries the P365 with safety on if it's in her purse, and off when she's got it in her holster.
It's just another detail you can miss in the heat of the moment, even if you've practiced.

 

[joneb]

I carried a Springfield 9x19 XDS for a while with out issue, but that had a trigger safety for what ever thats worth.

 

[Targa]

I would not get it with a safety.

 

[joneb]

Sooo if I get a P 365 XL with a thumb safety can it be easily made into one without one?

 

[Tallball]

I prefer a carry piece with no safety. One less thing I have to do under difficult circumstances.

 

[edwardware]

. . . I'm having a hard time deciding with or W/O the thumb safety

Can you disengage and engage the safety without breaking a full firing grip?

If not, the safety is worse than useless.

 

[rust collector]

Can you disengage and engage the safety without breaking a full firing grip?

If not, the safety is worse than useless.

Some keep the safety off except when the gun is being handled. Others learn to swipe it off while drawing the gun. There are many ways of working with or around a manual safety.

 

[12Bravo20]

Some keep the safety off except when the gun is being handled. Others learn to swipe it off while drawing the gun. There are many ways of working with or around a manual safety.

Yes there is many ways to deal with a safety. And a safety on a striker fired pistol is a personal choice.

That being said. I grew up shooting 1911s and also shot them while in the Army. I have also used a Star Firestar and Sig P938 for EDC so I am very use to sweeping the safety off and still do it even with my striker fired pistols without a safety,

 

[bannockburn]

joneb

Pretty much what 12Bravo20 wrote.

I have a P365X and it has a safety on it. Starting out with semi-autos most were SAO guns; mainly 1911's and Browning Hi-Powers. Needless to say I am very accustomed to sweeping off the safety, like it's second nature to me. So using the safety on my SIG is no big deal. If you don't feel like using it then don't; it's up to you to decide. With the safety there at least you have a choice in the matter.

 

[doubleh]

Being in the antique age range I am well versed in side safeties and feel uncomfortable with a pistol that doesn't have one. My P365XL does not have one and I regret buying it. It's ingrained in me to flip off the safety as I draw. Old habits die hard.

 

[Tallinar]

I recently picked up a P365XL and chose the manual safety. I agree that the levers themselves are a bit underwhelming but overall I find it very serviceable.

I am one who values the addition of a manual safety in the Sig FCU striker pistols. While I understand the basic internal safeties of the Sig enough to trust it about as much as I’d trust Glock’s internal safety, there remains a concern for me that the Sig trigger is lighter than the Glock (my experience with stock pistols anyway), and Sig lacks the trigger safety of a Glock. A manual safety feels like a worthy addition.

One thing I will say though is that if your grip method has you to ride your thumb on the safety when firing (mine doesn’t — at least not on compacts like this), you are in for some good pinches. There just isn’t enough meat in the safety lever to have much to hold onto there like there would be on a 1911, and the slide will get you pretty good. That’s the biggest reason I could see someone hating the thumb safety.

 

[Tallinar]

Sooo if I get a P 365 XL with a thumb safety can it be easily made into one without one?

Yes, the manual safety lever can be removed, and the grip module replaced. I have not done it, but have watched some folks do it on YouTube. Doesn’t look very complex.

Consensus also seems to be that it’s cheaper to get a safety and remove it later than to get one without a safety and try to add it later.

 

[Craig_AR]

I thought getting the 365 XL with the safety it could be carried on or off with the correct holster.

As others have said, if you have a long history of training and practicing with a manual safety, it is up to you. However, carrying it on sometimes and off at other times means you have two manuals of arms to draw and shoot, recalling which to do in a time of high stress and focused on an immediate attack.
My most recent self defense instructor pointed out that your actions will be on automatic in a real attack, and you will react most quickly if you have been practicing with only one process. Further, the manual safety does add a step to your reaction steps.
The gun in a proper holster is just as safe with no safety as it would be with one.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I like a thumb safety because the only training I got is USPSA matches with a 2011. So thumbing the safety on/off is intuitive to me.

 

[crestoncowboy]

I only carried da/sa or strikers with no safety so I stick with that.

My hangup was 365/365x/365 xl. Lol.

 

[Ks5shooter]

W/O MHO.

 

[LaneP]

If you're not used to handling guns with thumb safeties, it may be a better choice to get one without. In a properly fitting holster, the trigger is covered and it's not going to go off by itself. On the other hand if the model you get only comes with one, you have the option to just leave it off. My worst fear would be fumbling to switch it off in a life saving scenario.

 

[James Fonteneaux]

It really depends on your training and practice. The Mrs. and I took a defensive carbine course earlier this year that had a portion devoted to lowering the carbine while simultaneously raising a pistol, all while engaging targets. Arguments could be made as to whether this will ever be encountered in real life, but without LOTS of practice, swiping the safety will cost you time. As such, for a defensive handgun, we prefer no external safety. YMMV.

 

[Alllen Bundy]

I wouldn't want a pistol without a manual safety. I usually draw from a fanny pack behind my back and want to avoid any negligent discharge. By only switching off the manual safety when my pistol is in front of me, I greatly reduce the chance of a negligent discharge.

You can always remove the manual safety lever if you don't like it. I can remove and install the manual safety lever on my P365 in less than 60 seconds without the use of a tool. It's very easy to do.

However, I do NOT need the manual safety lever on both sides of the pistol. My P365X fits better into my pocket holster WITHOUT the manual safety lever on the right side. So I cut off the safety lever on the right side. Ideally it would be best to have a grip module without the slots for the manual safety lever, and then cut the slot in the grip module for the manual safety lever on the left side only.

While holding my P365X in my left hand, I can still actuate the manual safety lever with my left thumb or my left forefinger.