" I need your gun...."

[Redlg155]

While eating at the the Golden Corral today a strange thought crossed my mind.

Here is the scenario...

You are eating in a restaraunt and when all of a sudden an armed person or persons come into the restaraunt with the intent of taking some hostages. During this time period a police officer who is either unarmed or armed with something like a Kel Tec P32 looks over and sees that you have your carry weapon drawn behind cover, in my case a HK USP .45 C..definitely bigger than a P32! . He then asks for your weapon....

My question is this, would you surrender your weapon?

I don't think I would.

Good Shooting
Red

 

[OF]

No.

- Gabe

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Not a chance. He should have come better prepared.

 

[Blackhawk]

No, but he can commandeer my car....

 

[Greg L]

It would be something along the lines of

(yes, yes I know it isn't THR, however in that situation I wouldn't be too concerned with his hurt feelings).

I can see no real good reason to draw attention to ourselves by passing a pistol back and forth.

Greg

 

[CleverNickname]

Not only no, but no.

If he's in uniform, why doesn't he have a weapon? If he's in plainclothes/offduty, he should still have a weapon, but I'm also not going to take the time to verify that he is in fact a police officer. Just 'cause I see somebody in plainclothes flash a badge doesn't mean he's an LEO. If I have my weapon out, it means I'm in fear of my life and have more important things on my mind, thankyouverymuch.

Plus, how do I know he's familiar with my weapon? What liability will I incur if he uses it? Way too many downsides, and from what I can see, absolutely no upsides.

 

[Kobun]

I'd hand him my G26 BUG.

 

[TallPine]

While eating at the the Golden Corral today a strange thought crossed my mind.

 

[Preacherman]

(Adopts best Preacherman tone of voice)... "Brother, it is better to give than to receive - so for the good of your soul, and the good of my body, I'm keeping it!!!"

 

[cool45auto]

Well now, let's think about this. What could happen to you later if you said no. If you end up saving the day you're a hero, if it goes bad the story about not giving your gun to an officer that could have saved the day comes out. If the latter happened what would your fate be?

 

[atek3]

No. 90% of my friends can outshoot 90% of the police, 90% of the time. YMMV

atek3

 

[spacemanspiff]

can you guarantee that in the latter situation, the LEO would have prevailed over the attackers? there are too many variables in any situation to say one way or another how things would turn out. maybe he isnt a good shooter. maybe the reason he is unarmed is that he has a tough time qualifying with his issue weapon.

 

[CB900F]

OK, let's think about it. As a previous poster mentioned, what are the chances he knows the manual of arms on your gun? If it's a Beretta, Smith, or Glock, pretty good. However, what if your gun is a Radom, Kareen, or other semi-exotic. For that matter, very few departments or agencies issue the H&K, which is what I also carry.

Then, suppose he doesn't 'save the day'? Where does that leave you, besides hangin' out B-A naked without your gun? Possibly dead. Cold comfort that you tried to be a good guy. At the very least, your insurance agent will be deeply disappointed. Are you your brother's keeper? Are you responsible for his lack? Seems to me that certain segments of our society are trying to stipulate that the LEO is my keeper. I don't believe in helping that thinking along.

Besides, the original poster stated that he has his very own mouse gun. The guy's just envious 'cause I got a rat-smasher!
Snrk! 900F

 

[Chipperman]

What if the officer dies in the shootout? They find him dead with Your gun in his hand. I don't think that would go over any better in our strange court rooms.

No way I'd give up my gun. Maybe I'd pass him one of my knives.

 

[firestar]

Most of the time all I carry is a Kel-Tec P-32 so I guess he could have it in that situation. Maybe he could jump up with two guns blazing like in the movies and do a slow motion charge at the hostage taker all the while doing a ultra low-pitched "orrrrrrooww".


While he is doing that, I will be throwing a Golden Coral chair through a Golden Coral window and saving my own butt. If that hostage is not me, then I don't really care. I would take a pot shot at a guy like that but I am not going to get smoked for some 300lb buffet queen. That is what the cops are for anyway. My gun is to protect me and mine, not to protect every dumb%#T at happens to get taken hostage. Should have been watching your back sucker.

 

[Redlg155]

maybe the reason he is unarmed is that he has a tough time qualifying with his issue weapon.

Or perhaps that he could care less about carrying off duty, even though his department may require him to do so. All of us know there are officers out there who could care less about carrying a gun.

As Cool9mm pointed out..

Well now, let's think about this. What could happen to you later if you said no.

Does anyone know the legal aspects of this? If an officer orders you to surrender your weapon or other personal property for emergency use, could you be charged for not complying?

Good SHooting
RED

 

[atek3]

If an officer orders you to surrender your weapon or other personal property for emergency use, could you be charged for not complying?

Only in a socialist commonwealth. I'm sorry but nothing gives a cop the right to compel you to give them any of your property unless you've committed a crime. Peace officers are peace officers not omnipotent gods.

atek3

 

[Greg L]

Does anyone know the legal aspects of this? If an officer orders you to surrender your weapon or other personal property for emergency use, could you be charged for not complying?

I'm getting a mental image of Judge in Beverly Hills Cop standing up with his badge in hand here. Sorry, I'll stick with me and mine bringing a gun to a gun fight (although I do own and carry on occasion a P-32). If Mr. BG starts something with the underarmed policeman, it will just give me an opening to give him a 230 grain lobotomy.

I still say it would be bad news to be caught sliding pistols back and forth across the floor in this situation.

Greg

 

[spacemanspiff]

i'd take the risk of being charged with non-compliance.

however, how about a twist to the situation being discussed. i don't want to hijack this thread too much though.

in such a situation, i would be scanning everyone else to see if there were 'sleeper' agents, other people that might be allies, or a plainclothes officer. how would you communicate with others that you intend to take a course of action?
i figure it would be best to silently display my concealed handgun permit to anyone i have made eye contact with that i believe to be an ally, another permit holder would recognize it immediately.

 

[Greg L]

Spaceman,

Is your CHP that much different than a driver's license? I doubt if I could, in that high stress situation, tell the difference between the two from 25 feet with a quick flash (knowing of course that any quick movements are probably going to get you unwanted attention from the BG's).

Greg

 

[Tamara]

" I need your gun...."

"Sure, as soon as I'm done with it."

 

[spacemanspiff]

very different. drivers licenses are light gray with clear laminate half inch all around, CHP is white with green. when i qualified, the instructor told the class that as of then, just over 75,000 permits had been issued. considering that half my states population lives in Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau, the rest living in rural areas, towns, and villages where if a person carries, they carry open and never need to conceal it, that 75,000 is living in the three largest cities in Alaska.
statistically speaking, that means that one in 4.7 who live in anchorage, fairbanks, juneau have a CHP. whether or not they all carry every day, then its probably down to 1 in 20.

 

[Ala Dan]

No sir, at least not my primary weapon!

You see, I always carry a back-up weapon; not to
be confused with a "throw down", but a decent, really
reliable second firearm. Now, if our "buddy" the police
officer identified himself as such to my satisfaction; then
and only then, I would lend him/her my second gun.


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

 

[LiquidTension]

Absolutely NOT.

Why: well, same reason I carry in my bank even though they have an illegal sign saying I'm not allowed to. I trust MY judgement and MY aim and MY ability to respond under pressure (that I have experienced before) far more than I trust some guy with a gun and a badge on a power trip. This seems extreme, but before you hand over your weapon to someone else you must consider all possibilities, and there are just too many LEOs that shouldn't have a badge. Think of the outcome if the officer screws up with YOUR weapon.

I know that not all cops are bad, but I'm not handing my weapon to anyone that I don't trust with my life - after all, when you give up your weapon, your life is exactly what you're handing them.

 

[Pendragon]

Surely the least prepared cops would be the most likely to know how to use any random gun better than anyone else

No way would that be a good idea - they dont know your sights, your ammo, your trigger, etc.

Even best case scenario, using an unknown gun is a wild card.