" I need your gun...."

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just over 75,000 permits had been issued. considering that half my states population lives in Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau, the rest living in rural areas, towns, and villages where if a person carries, they carry open and never need to conceal it, that 75,000 is living in the three largest cities in Alaska.
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Spiff I was informed that its like 90,000 permits...which means one in every 7 persons in the stae has a permit.

Also, its still legal to carry in ones car without a permit. I had a cop estimate for me that about 1 in every four cars had a gun in it.

By the way, you have to tell a cop you have contact with that you have a gun. So in Alaska, if the cop asks you for it you have to give it to him.

WildniceplacehuhAlaska
 
Taking the long view, I'd trade weapons and then back him up with the P-32. Let him fill-out all the paperwork.
 
alright, lets see how my math is....

2002 alaska population, according to census bureau: 643,786.
2000 anchorage population (couldnt find 2002 info): 260,283
2000 fairbanks population: 82,840
2000 juneau population: 30,711

combined largest city populations: 373,834.
dividing 90,000 permit holders into that amount equals 1 in 4 approximately.
and like wildalaska said, the entire states population lowers that to 1 in 7.

now consider the fact that in rural villages, towns, etc, its a fair assessment that all households have at least one gun, more like many guns, mostly rifles and shotguns though.

we can break this down by age, according to this data from the census , and estimate that approximately 220,000 are under the age of 21. so lets say 430,000 are truly eligible for CHP. so throughout the state, one in 5 adults has a CHP.
 
By the way, you have to tell a cop you have contact with that you have a gun. So in AK if the cop asks you for your gun you have to give it to him.
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A little clarification. The requirement to advise a policeman you are armed applies only in a situation where you are stopped on a traffic stop or approached and questioned as a potential suspect in an enforcement action. At such time you have to show your AK CHL to the contact officer along w/ supporting ID (drivers license) and inform the officer as to whether or not you are armed and the location of weapon. The officer should inform you how to proceed further. Options may include handing over your gun for the duration of contact.
The requirement to advise does not include casual contact in a public place or in the senario of this thread.
Under Alaska Statute (not sure which title at the moment) state troopers and municiple police (and it might read "peace officers" to include VPSOs) are authorized under certain circumstances to deputize armed citizens to assist with carrying out their duties. This occurs quite often in rural AK. Citizen refusal to participate could lead to charges on the citizen, although I don't personally have knowledge of such charges being filed.
Now to answer the main question of this thread; Absolutely not! The off duty policeman should be better prepared for an armed confrontation. However that being said, as an armed and responsible citizen, you should be willing to assist that officer in anyway necessary including an immediate action plan to neutralize the situation and minimize the risk of injury to others in the area. It's your community and safety too. The only difference between a policeman and a citizen is the policeman is authorized by the citizenry at large to respond to criminal activity, and the citizen has broader powers of arrest.

I would personally like to see those numbers go to 100,000+. That would put AK CHLs easily in 1/6 of the population at large. I would also like to encourage the AK legislature to enact a resolution similar or identical to the recent action taken by the Montana legislature promoting and recognizing the value of an armed, vigilent citizenry in the fight against and prevention of terror attacks.
 
In a word, NO!

According the the current PC view, this idiot is supposed to protect me, and he's already shown up at a gunfight unarmed, or poorly armed. Thus, it's fairly clear that I'm on my own already.

Then, the comments regarding strange weapons and so forth are also correct, and there is, after all, a reason that one sights in one's own weapon.

As for after effects, you must first live through the mess, then you'll have to deal with the rest.
 
No, I would not give it up, I wear to protect #1 and family first, then others. As mentioned before by others, I can shoot much better than most officers out there, especially with my 1911.
 
Shouldnt the proper response be to pass the officer your BUG, and tell him to cover you while you make a run for your rifle (if possible)?

Kharn
 
If he is the type of guy who carries a P32 as a primary and pocketful of sunshine, then he made his bed on this one.
 
Red...

Me behind cover--with my Glock drawn and my hand resting on the counter or table or something? The "Alpha Hotel" would't even see me. The next thing the ******** would see is the Lord.
One more won't make any difference. Just another face in the dreams.

KR
 
There are only 2 people within 100 miles of me that would get a weapon from me...wife or sis-in-law.

All others get the Kurt Russell reply....."Sorry, they are all in use..."
 
Ther are exactly TWO people that I would hand it over to... and BOTH of them know that the way to ask is "gimme your gun, I have a clear shot on the BG!"

ONE of those (my Dad) carries a gun of his own, and likely would never need to ask...

The other is my best friend, and can't carry (due to a closed-head trauma while on duty as a cop) I'd STILL trust him w/ my life and my gun...

as for an off-duty cop? fat chance... I KNOW I can handle my gun... I don't know if he can!
 
Not a chance... That would definately be a SHTF scenario and it's everyperson for him/her self.

If you lived on the Texas broder only had one firearm when were being invaded by Mexico, would you give your only gun to a neighbor? You wouldn't even consider it. When a LEO assumes that role, is preparedness should far exceed that of any boy scout.

Judging from the officers I know, it would be extremely unlikely that they would ever be caught with anything less than a G27, Commander or an S&W 340.
 
I love these kind of ‘what if’ threads, but could we maybe spice it up a little? I wonder if the responses would change if it went more like….

You’re at a casino in Monaco, when suddenly Osama Bin Laden bursts in and takes Britney Spears hostage. As you seek cover under a baccarat table, you notice Clint Smith fumbling with his Jennings-Bryco. He sees your Thunder Ranch Special is out and ready. Then you notice the bus boy bears a striking resemblance to Dick Marcinko and he keeps winking at you.
What do you do?


:scrutiny:
 
Ask everyone for their autographs, of course.

pax

It isn't necessary to be rich and famous to be happy. It's only necessary to be rich. -- Alan Alda
 
shalako....

i shoot the hostage. two rounds COM, enough silicone in there to save her from lifethreatening injuries, and osama would be stunned long enough to get the sights resting two inches below the turban.
 
no way. There is no way of knowing how competent he would be with my Kimber.
 
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