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I serve Constructive Notice rather than show a 'permit' to carry!

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I technically was facing $450,000 in fines and a possible 230 year jail sentence! Pretty serious for not getting a $14 building permit!

Yep. They can come down on you like that, and thats ok b/c its 'the law' but don't you dare break the de facto law by any independant thinking now or be jailed/killed by the eminent domain and be amusement for the lemmings who know no better. Lets all go to the Colosium and watch an execution for a man who dared to not pull a permit, oblivious to reality. There sure is a lot of deception going on.

These tactics do work somewhat but you got to be right on top of it and say the right thing at the right time or they treat you like a kook. Sometimes they back off if you follow procedure correctly and hold them to key issues at the right time. If everyone would always put these people on notice and not going around waiving rights, They would have to take notice and deal with the public responsibly and de jure.

But people are scared. They stopped standing up for themselves long ago and its to the point now, that you actually get ridiculed for standing up for yourself. Fear's hard to see through I guess. Probably one or two more generations and no one will remember how it is really supposed to be.

I stopped waiving any rights bout ten or so years ago, and while it always makes em mad in court to ask to take the long road, I seem to always fare better than if I'd sign-waive-pay. (Hey freeman, start another thread on land patents...;) I never got around to ordering that book even tho I kinda know the gist of it.)
 
You have my respect.I don't care what you live in or how you make your living.Instead of rolling over and taking it,you stood tall.Carry on!
 
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As I said, I was asked to sign the probation order which is nothing more than a contract. For any contract to be valid it must be enter into voluntarily, I didn't agree with the terms of their 'contract' so I refused to sign it! Over the course of the next 6 months the court kept sending me notices to appear for 'probation meetings', I finally took my mailbox down so they couldn't be delivered any longer. Since that day in 1994 I've never had an 'address', I receive any correspondence at General Delivery, currently I receive correspondence at General Delivery, Dubre, Kentucky 42731. In September of 1994 I was stopped by a Hillsdale City Police officer, Todd Holtz for no plates on my truck. When stopped, officer Holtz asked to see my 'driver's license' and 'registration' and was told to step out of the vehicle. I asked officer Holtz if I was under arrest, he responded, no. I then told officer Holtz that since I was not under arrest that I didn't need to get out of my truck. Officer Holtz then called for back-up. I was then 'questioned' by a SGT with the Hillsdale City Police Department while still setting in my truck, I told him that before I answered any of his questions I needed to know if anything that I said would be used against me in a court of law. The SGT wouldn't answer my question, so there we were at a stalement, lots of questions, but no answers! Finally the SGT told me to get out of my truck, I again asked if I was under arrest, he finally said yes, I exited my truck and was placed under arrest. By the time we got to the Hillsdale County jail it was around 7 pm, they were still attempting to 'question' me, but I still had not been told whether anything that I answered would be used against me in a court of law. They asked me, You know that truck you were driving .... , I responded, I didn't say that I was driving any truck, I didn't say that was my truck. This went on and on until finally they decided to call Michael R. Smith, the Hillsdale County Prosecutor at home to figure out what else to charge me with. He finally came up with the felong charge of 'resisting and obstructing' a police officer, when the SGT made this additional charge he made it quite clear that this was a 'felony' charge, but I only replied, 'now that really scares the hell out of me!' So I was charged with 'no operator's license', 'no registration', 'no insurance', 'fingerprint refusal', and the really big one, 'resisting and obstructing'. I didn't actually refuse to have my fingerprints taken, I just demanded to see the 'law' that allowed them to take my fingerprints, which of course they refused to produce. They knew who I was from the building permit trial! From my 'law office' in the Hillsdale County jail I hand wrote a 27 legal brief, Motion to Dismiss the next day to get the felony charge of 'resisting and obstructing' a police officer dropped. You see even if I had committed a crime I had absolutely no obligation to answer any questions directed at me by the police, and I certainly would have been an idiot to answer any questions if I had not been told whether of not my answers would be used against me in a court of law! I cited many court cases to prove that I in fact had not 'resisted' or 'obstructed' the police, I merely refused to answer their questions, something that I had a perfect right to do! In fact, if I remember correctly I the party of the first part, could not 'obstruct' a police officer, party of the second part, it requires a party of the third part to do the 'obstructing'! I think that's the legal requirement, it's been 9 years since I've had to use this information so I'm not quite sure. Anyway Judge Donald L.Sanderson heard my 'Motion to Dismiss' a couple of days later and the charges of 'resisting and obstructing', and 'fingerprint refusal' were both dropped. This is just another example of how prosecutors and police 'pile on charges' to intimidate the accused! Fortunately for me I had all the information I needed to refute these false charges! When I was charged with the 'resisting and obstructing' count no bond was allowed because it was a felony, once that charge was dropped Judge Sanderson set my bond at 10% of $2,500 , but like I told him there was absolutely no way that I was going to make the mistake of posting bond again! He said that I would not be releasedd unless or until I did. When I was arraigned for the remaining three charges, 'no operator's license', 'no registration' and 'no insurance', Judge Sanderson said, 'Mr. Johnson I see that you do not have a lawyer', I answered 'that's correct', he said, 'will you be having a lawyer today', I answered, 'absolutely not1', he said, 'will you then be representing yourself?', I answered, 'I can't represent myself, I am myself!' Judge Sanderson had a brief moment of levity! I was returned to the custody of Gerald Hicks, Sheriff of Hillsdale County until I either posted bond or went to trial, but the required paperwork to do this was never filled out, it was left blank! I think that this was about the time that my daughter drove 90 miles one-way, bringing a bail bondsman from Elkhart, Indiana to get me bonded out of jail. I of course refused to be bonded out because I didn't want to give the court jurisdiction (if you don't believe this, read the entire bond form, front and back!). Anyway two weeks went by, and I was taken before Judge Sanderson again, he informed me that he had dropped 'my bond' to $0, that's right I said $0, all I needed to do was sign my name on the dotted line and I could go home! I said, no I told you that I will never post bond again (which even just my signature on a bond form means that I've agreed to the terms and conditions of that bond) and so I was again unlawfully returned to the custody of Gerald Hicks with absolutely no required paperwork filled out! Another 2 weeks goes by and one of the jailers comes into the 10 man cell that I was being held in and informs everyone that the cell was being 'cleared', when the cell was cleared I was informed that I was being released, I said but I've already told Judge Sanderson that I'm not going to sign a bond agreement, I was told that I needed to sign nothing, I was being released! The reason that they cleared the 10 man cell was because for the past 4 weeks that I was being unlawfully held I kept telling the other 'cellmates' that they eventually had to let me go, they couldn't hold me indefinitely. I was then told that I would have to sign to get my clothes and personal possession returned to me, I refused to sign and said that I would leave the jail naked if they still refused to give me my clothes and possessions, they gave me my stuff! That was on November 8, 1994, oh how well I remember that day! Oh I forgot to mention that after my arrest they (City Police, County Sheriff's Department and State Police) spent 3 hours trying to get three different tow truck companies to tow my truck, not one of the tow truck companies would touch it! Well they made one last effort to get them to tow it, they tried to call the owner of the business whose parking lot I had pulled into when officer Holtz pulled me over. They wanted the owner to say that he didn't want my truck parked there, thereby giving them authority to tow my truck, they were not able to reach the owner so no one would tow my truck, My wife finally got a friend to take my truck back to our property south of Hillsdale. The reason that none of the 3 tow truck companies would touch my truck is because they were already being sued by Jean Ventura for a similar incident 6 months prior to this and there was no way in hell that they were going down that road again! You see, when I was pulled over I made sure that I was on private property, that way the police couldn't just tow my truck automatically! Needless to say, the police were not too happy with this situation, that's when they came down to the jail and started questioning me about 'driving my truck'! Ah, the games people play now, every night and every day now - I think that was the words from some song in the '60's!

You see there's a reason why Winston has done things the way he has! The police and prosecutors use intimidation (like piling on charges!) and devious means to get what they want! I'm not anti-authority, I'm anti-unlawful authority! There is a difference! Prosecutor Smith knew that he couldn't make the 'resting and obstructing' charge stick, he had the police charge me with that to intimidate me, after all that felony charge was supposed to scare me, but it didn't, I lawfully filed my Motion to Dismiss because their charge was bogus! What's wrong with me defending myself from these unscrupulous people?! Someone who actually has the courage to do this should not be feared, this is the American way! This is seeking the substance of justice, not the illusion of justice!

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Sir I would buy a book of court hearings like this. I do not believe that I will be joining you, but it would make an entertaining read.
 
DigitalWarrior,
Oh, but it gets better! OK like I said Judge Sanderson ordered my release on November 8, 1994, without me signing any bond form. This was my whole point of remaining in jail for 27 days, I didn't want to give the court jurisdiction! On November 10, 1994 I had a number of motions scheduled to be heard by Judge Sanderson, the courtroom was packed, the bailiff enters the courtroom and says, "all rise" , I and five others refuse to stand, the bailiff looks at me and says, "ALL RISE" , I and 5 others still refuse to stand, Judge Sanderson wheels in mid-step on his way to the bench and storms out of the courtroom! The bailiff comes out a few minutes later and announces that court is canceled the rest of the day, it was only 9:30 am! The reason that I didn't stand was because after being unlawfully held in the Hillsdale County jail for 27 days by order of Judge Sanderson because I refused to first post bond, then just sign the bond, when he could have let me out on day one! After all, after 27 days he ordered my release without posting or signing any bond, he could have done so on day one! Of course all my motions were denied, but hey it really didn't matter, I had made my point! And by the way, there is no law that required me to stand when Judge Sanderson entered the courtroom, it's just a courtesy. The custom of rising began when the judge used to enter the courtroom carrying a Bible, the people were to stand out of respect for the Bible! I certainly didn't feel very courteous towards Judge Sanderson after being kept in jail for 27 days when I should have been let go on day one! Anyway a 'jury trial' date was set for January 10, 1995 at 9:30 am, I've already posted the certified transcript of those proceedings. Judge Sanderson stated: "The -- if Mr. Johnson does appear and wish to have a trial, there'll be further sanctions taken at that point. But we're not going to forcibly detain him on this." The court could not lawfully proceed any further because they had not yet established jurisdiction! It's all about jurisdiction, jurisdiction, jurisdiction!

Oh, I almost forgot, when I was arrested and charged with those 5 other counts, I was also charged with 'probation violation'! I was arraigned separately on that count. First Judge Sanderson stated that I was being arraigned for 'probation violation', I told him that I never signed any probation order! Nevertheless he insisted that I was in violation of 'my probation order', but I again reminded him that I couldn't be held liable for a 'contract' that I never agreed to or signed! Judge Sanderson then wanted me to raise my right hand, I asked him "what for", he said, "I want you to raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." I said, "I'm afraid that I can't do that", Judge Sanderson asked "why not?", I said, "because I'm a mere fallible Human Being, I could only tell the truth to the best of my ability as such!" Judge Sanderson didn't say any more about me being sworn in! Judge Sanderson then began questioning me about whether or not I was in compliance with the building code as he had ordered me to be at my sentencing. He stated, "I heard that you tore that barn down," I said, "that's correct", he asked, "Are you saying that you're in compliance with the building code?", I said, "absolutely not!" Now the following is an exact quote from Judge Donald L. Sanderson, "For the purposes of what we're doing here today, we're going to say that you are in compliance, probation terminated." My mouth just about hit the floor! Say what?! Is this Orwellian double-speak, or what! And this came out of the mouth of the judge that wanted me to raise my right hand and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! :confused: Like I've said before, the courts today are not about truth or justice, it's about control, power and money! None of these tactics worked on me, so Judge Sanderson just gave up, just like he did at 'my trial' on January 10, 1995!
 
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At best the presentation of such a document will "serve" to do no more than draw the attention of folks I imagine most woould rather not draw any attention from.
 
Erik,
The 'document' we're talking about here is Kentucky's Bill of Rights, Section 1, No. 7 - that guarantees my inherent and inalienable right to bear arms! If the people (LEO's) who I'd serve it to actually understood what the oath they took meant, it wouldn't be necessary to serve them in the first place.
 
An interesting tidbit about the court 'requirement' of taking an oath follows. While doing some more of my research 7-8 years ago I came across this little goodie. The word testify and/or testimony come from the same root Greek word as testicles, why is this? In the ancient world the males geniality was considered sacred, therefore when swearing an oath they placed their hand on the private parts and took their oath. I'm quite serious, this is a 'historical fact'! Check out the Old Testament's account of Abraham sending his servant to find a wife for his son, Abraham had his servant place his hand 'on his inner thigh' as the King James Version puts it. But if you check out the original Hebrew, it was Abraham's gentials where the servant placed his hand. This is not in any way meant to be disrespectful towards the Bible, it's just a historical fact. If I were ever asked again by a judge to raise my right hand and swear I'd say, "You want me to do what?"

The information about testify and/or testimony can be found in any old very big dictionary, I think I got mine from Webster's 1895 Dictionary. Yes, I actually do sit down sometimes and read a dictionary just to see what's there!
 
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Like I posted, I was finally released on November 8, 1994 by order of Judge Sanderson without posting bond. The first, the very first thing I did once I got back home was to get into my unregistered, unlicensed truck and travel down to the 2nd District Courthouse where the Hillsdale County Prosecutor's Office was. I parked my truck in front of the courthouse, went up to the 2nd floor to the prosecutor's office asked to speak with Michael R. Smith, Hillsdale County Prosecutor, I then handed him the following large pink sign, "Natural Citizen exercising Right to Travel in a Private Property Conveyance! Conveyance NOT registered, NOT a Motor Vehicle, NOT subject to Motor Vehicle Laws. Expect prosecution under Title 42 USC 1983, and/or Title 18 USC 241, 242 for violation of a Constitutioinally protected right. (Disclaimer, this is not to encourage anyone else to do this, I'm merely posting what I did in this instance!) . Mr. Smith then asked me, "You don't have that truck registered yet?" I replied, "absolutely not!" and added, "As a matter of fact it's parked right down there (as I pointed out the window), I left his office went back downstairs, got into my truck and traveled away! No police followed me, no police attempted to arrest me, absolutely nothing happened!

I finally found my 'Motion to Dismiss' brief that I filed with the 2nd District Court on October 25, 1994 that resulted in the dismisal of the felony count of 'resisting and obstructing a police officer'. This document is perfectly legal, lawyers file this type of motion all the time on behalf of their clients so it's not illegal! Would it be OK to post this on this thread? Would anyone like to see this brief? This brief contains many court cases explaining exactly what the legal definition of 'resisting and obstructing' a police officer actually is!
 
suijurisfreeman,
I'm digging deeper into your threads.Very,very interesting. You've got a big set to swear on. You are writing a book on your trials and tribulations, aren't you? It will be a shame if you don't. I don't have the brains to even attempt any of this stuff. Take care.
 
I wish I'd kept up with this thread from the start! I don't see any flouting of laws or talking down to anyone at all. All I see is a bit of "Judicial Judo". :D
We could use a few more people to stir the pot....so maybe the frogs won't come to a boil quite so soon.

When your book comes out I'd sure like an autographed copy!

Incidently, did you know Judge Michael R. Smith made The Political Graveyard
 
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If only there were Judges that would dismiss charges against BS laws.












"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein


"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." - E.E. Cummings
 
Sergeant Bob,
I'm still trying to figure out if I know you, please enlighten me!

Back in 1994 my archnemesis, Michael R. Smith was just the lowly Hillsdale County Prosecutor, what a time he and I, and of course his sidekick 'No Deal', Neal Brady had! Ah, the games people play now, every night and every day now ...... :D It actually got so 'bad', with all my antics in court that they would take me in for 'surprise' arraignments, etc, they would sneak me in the back door to Judge Sanderson's courtroom so others wouldn't know I was in court! Judge Sanderson actually 'ordered' me to stay out of his court, but like I told him, I'm not bringing myself in here, the police are! It was pretty cool when we had 25 or so protestors marching round and round 2nd District Court in downtown Hillsdale! Were you aware of any of that while it was going on Bob? We actually started holding meetings at the Pittsford High School on Thursday evenings, at one point we had something like 60-80 people show up. I think we passed out something like 20,000 pieces of literature in Hillsdale County alone, but once Jean Ventura and I got arrested most of the people just ran away! I know several people said that they would never come to any of my court appearances again after I and 5 others refused to stand for Judge Sanderson on November 10, 1994, they said that I wasn't showing proper respect for 'the law'!

One of my best exercises of 'Judicial Judo' was when I filed my Motion to Dismiss on the 'resisting and obstructing' charge that Michael R. Smith filed against me! In part it reads, "Comes now the person of the respondent, Winston W. Johnson, Sui Juris, in this appearing specially and not generally or voluntarily herein, to move the Court to dismiss the charge of 'resist and obstruct an officer' (count 1) as an obvious act of frustration on the part of Michael R. Smith, Prosecuting Attorney, who lacking any real cause of action against the Assused, resorted in desperation to make this frivolous charge."

Like I said, if anyone is interested I can post my entire brief, Motion to Dismiss on the charge of 'resisting and obstructing an officer' . It's chalk full of 'court rulings' which explain exactly what the charge of 'resist and obstruct' actually means. I got most of the information from some woman in Idaho, sure came in handy when my butt was against the wall!

I think the 'powers that be' actually threw a party when suijurisfreeman left Hillsdale County, Michigan in July of 1998!

I brought so much 'heat' through the media, TV and newspapers on these people that Gerald Hicks, Sheriff of Hillsdale County actually said, "Get him out of my jail, he's taking up valueable bed space!" Channel 10 out of Lansing kept contacting him to get permission to interview me, I don't think that Sheriff Hicks liked the attention, he had some other questionable activities going on in his jail at that time! In Michigan they charged prisioners $25 per day in addition to any other court fees and fines, but since I didn't sign any papers, they couldn't even bill me for the my time in their 'hotel'! I was costing them money, that's bad for business!
 
An 'oldie' for your listening pleasure!

"Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end, we'd sing and dance forever and a day, we lived the life we choose, we'd fight and never lose, those were the days, oh yes those were the days!" Thinking of you Michael R. Smith and Donald L. Sanderson, oh yes those were the days my friends!

Name that artist and you'll receive a 'get out of jail free card'! :) :p :eek: :D :evil:
 
A. Partisan,

You sir are absolutely correct! I just love all those 'oldies', they're in my head, even after all these years, they're in my head!

If I do this, :banghead: can I get them out of my head? Why won't the words just go away! :D

In case I didn't tell anyone, I've got a photographic memory - it's just not developed! :neener:
 
Mr. Motivation from the old SNL

Something just occurred to me, I now know what my problem is! When it comes to freedom, Ive got the same problem that Chris Farley's (sp?) character 'Mr. Motivation' had on the older Saturday Night Live Show! What do you think, any similarties here? Does this suijurisfreeman have a problem or what? :evil:
 
A. Partisan,
No, but out behind my cardboard yurt there's a small creek! That's kinda like livin' down by the river in a van! :banghead: man that hurts!

Or maybe, I'm kinda like Sam Kennison (sp?), I'd really have a problem if that's the case! :cuss: Sam's doing that cussing not me! :D
 
Interesting read.

Hammering court officers into the ground with there own sets of rules...

That's going to leave a mark...;)

In my travels i've run across two other individuals that held similiar views as the ones you hold.

Ones dead - the other lives in a flea bag hotel, growing his own rope.

But, if your happy - more power to ya.

Welcome to THR.

12-34hom.
 
And by the way, there is no law that required me to stand when Judge Sanderson entered the courtroom, it's just a courtesy. The custom of rising began when the judge used to enter the courtroom carrying a Bible, the people were to stand out of respect for the Bible!
Romans 13:1-6
"All of you must obey the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule. And no one rules now without that power from God. So if anyone is against the government, he is really against what God has commanded. And so he brings punishment on himself. Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers. But people who do wrong must fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and the ruler will praise you. He is God's servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. The ruler has the power to punish; he is God's servant to punish those who do wrong. So you must obey the government. You must obey not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is the right thing to do. And this is also why you pay taxes. Rulers are working for God and give their time to their work. Pay everyone, then, what you owe him. If you owe any kind of tax, pay it. Show respect and honor to them all."
Since you brought the Bible into it, I thought you'd like to know.
 
I've just been waiting for this one, but I'm not going to go there!

Darrin,
Believe me, Darrin I know quite well what Romans 13;1-6 states. I only mentioned this because it was relevant to what transpired that day in the courtroom. But this is not a discussion about the Bible or religioius beliefs, if we start down that road then this country would never have been founded, after all the 13 Colonies were under the 'lawful authority' of England. Not going to start down this road, ain't gonna do it ........ :banghead:

Before my freedom quest, I spent 4 years in the intensive study of 'religion', spent over $10,000 on reference books, started learning Hebrew at the Mennonite Seminary here in Elkhart, Indiana and was going to learn Greek also. I've got pictures of my vast library dealing with the Christian religion, I had something like 34 different translations of the Bible, reference books that ministers could only dream of having. This quest literally consumed my life for 4 years, if I'm considered to be 'radical' about freedom, you definitely don't want to get me started about 'religion'! I'm not, I repeat not going to start down that road! :banghead:
 
12-34hom,
Well my shelter in Kentucky is a cardboard yurt until I can get my 'Earthship' built you can check it out at:
http://angelfire.com/rebellion2/suijurisfreeman

Nope, don't grow or smoke any 'rope', never did, and I grew up in the early-mid 60's! Don't need any drugs, as you can see I create my own 'high' by livin' the freeman lifestyle! :D

Judge Sanderson definitely wasn't too happy when he found out that I had a 2 volume set of the Michigan Court Rules, but I figured if you don't have or know the rules there ain't much sense playing the game now is there?!

I have yet to find anyone else that actually does what I do, but I just know there's got to be more of me out there? Somebody please tell me there is! I've had alot of people agree with what I'm saying, say they know it's the right thing to do, but haven't seen anyone else take that 'one giant step for freedom'! :banghead: :evil:
 
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