I think I'm about 165 degrees into a 180 degree turn

[Kleanbore]

"Police drop the gun!!!"

Is this no longer taught in Police Academies?

Do you know of any competent trainers who would recommend that?

Would you do it, in a civilian self defense situation?

Would you expect a violent criminal actor with gun in hand to drop it, or to shoot?

Would you risk it?

 

[rdnktrkr]

Until we can talk criminals, terrorists, bad guys, etc to identify as such and comply to orders given to officers there will be the possibility of an innocent gun bearer to be shot, they are only trying to defuse the occurrence AND go home to their family. I was told once that tenths of a second can make the difference in an officers life, I don't want to be on the wrong end of an officers barrel, they train a lot, MAYBE we should start wearing white hats and talk the bad guys into wearing black hats (heck it works in cartoons). Unfortunately in grown-up life a lot of decisions we make can be serious and even deadly, I would not want to be an officer that has to make those decisions frequently. I try to stay away from places where a long gun would be required for me to feel safe.

 

[The Night Rider]

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I will say, that besides training around vehicles and considering keeping a long gun in the vehicle, if anyone is concerned with the kinds of risks presented in the OP, they should also consider body armor. If a person already carries concealed everyday, I would advise adding body armor to their vehicle's contents before adding a long gun. It certainly has a valid application in a terrorist-attack scenario and it has fewer drawbacks to being abandoned in the car.

I don't leave any kind of firearm permanently in my vehicle. There's no realistic way of securing it from theft that I know of, and it's like leaving $2,000 in hundred dollar bills sitting on the dash. However, I do leave a set of Level IV plates in a carrier stationed behind my driver's seat. My back windows all have some tint so it's very hard to see anything behind the back seats or in the hatchback area, and if my armor was stolen I'd only be out a few hundred bucks (and have little to no fear of it being used to harm anyone). In an emergency I may or may not have the ability to get it donned in time but certainly the odds are better than if I'd left it at home.