Idaho following Montana's and Tennessee's footsteps

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In yet another shot from Idaho over the federal government's bow, a Republican lawmaker wants Washington D.C. to keep its mitts - and its laws - Republican lawmaker wants Washington D.C. to keep its mitts - and its laws - off guns and ammunition manufactured in his state.

Rep. Dick Harwood, from St. Maries, introduced the "Idaho Firearms Freedom Act" Thursday in the House State Affairs Committee.

Montana passed a similar bill last year, saying guns made and kept within its borders are exempt from national gun laws. Gun advocates sued in federal court to validate the law, while U.S. attorneys want the case to be dismissed.

Meanwhile, Tennessee passed the same law and legislators in a couple dozen other states are considering following suit. Harwood, who comes from rural northern Idaho where suspicions of federal agents runs high among some, called this a "sovereignty issue."
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Glad we have some politicians who aren't all morons.
 
Utah's version is waiting for governor Herbie to get off his ____ and sign it (he is reportedly worried about legal fees :rolleyes:)
 
Does anyone know if the .gov has filed suit regarding Montana's law, or has BATF or DOJ just issued opinion letters against it? Or maybe against Tennessee's law, perhaps?
 
This is proof that "feel good" legislation isn't just the property of the Left.
 
Arizona need to pass this as well so i can finaly claim its the perfect state for me and move there lol
 
The country is going to swing so far to the right in November I think any threat to guns in general is going to evaporate. Yea! Yea! Yea!
 
wvshooter, DO NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE.

We can NEVER let up on our reps. Reagan created the ban on guns in national parks, Bush I opened the door to bans on assault weapons, and Bush II said he would renew the AWB if it hit his desk. There is currently a gang of blue dog dems in congress who have made clear to the AG that they will not vote for any new gun legislation, so your guns are currently safer than they have been for the previous 25 years. This is because WE have made sure they know that the ice they walk on is made of gun owners. Even Utah's lone dem rep, Matheson, walks the line because we have him well-trained with a shock collar.

As far as the effectiveness of this law, in ID or anywhere else, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. The intent of the law is not to create a new automatic weapons market, it's to generate lawsuits challenging the federal government's abuse of the interstate commerce clause. Yes, this makes me feel pretty good.
 
You obviously don't understand Idaho...
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You're right. I think of potatoes and white supremacists. I am sure there is more to the state than that.
But there is nothing to a law like this. What is the practical effect? Do you know any FFLs who will suddenly start selling in-state manufactured firearms without a 4473? No. ATF has already sent us a letter saying that Federal law over-rides Tennessee law. I wont be the test case for that. I don't know anyone who would.
 
Yep, BATFE sent their opinion that TN law did not limit their authority, but that's expected in every one of these cases. There will have to be a court case that goes to the SCOTUS and a ruling made that either confirms that states don't have the right to regulate what goes on within their borders or that BATFE has no right to regulate what only goes on within the borders of a given state. Until then the best we can hope for is that the majority of states push similar legislation through and that a case is heard by SCOTUS on it.
 
DCR said:
Does anyone know if the .gov has filed suit regarding Montana's law, or has BATF or DOJ just issued opinion letters against it? Or maybe against Tennessee's law, perhaps?
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Instead of waiting for the Feds to sue Montana, Montana decided to sue the Feds and put them on the run.

http://firearmsfreedomact.com/montana-lawsuit-updates/

The Feds are trying the get the suit dismissed (from 1/19/10)... should be fun to watch the outcome.
 
Bubba616 said:
You're right. I think of potatoes and white supremacists. I'm sure there's more yo the state than that.
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:rolleyes:

Bubba616 said:
But there is nothing to a law like this. What is the practical effect? Do you know any FFLs who will suddenly start selling in-state manufactered firearms without a 4473? No. ATF has already sent us a letter saying that Federal law over-rides Tennessee law. I won't be the test case for that. I don't know anyone who would.
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It starts something. If more and more states follow suit, it let's the govt. know where the people stand. What do you think we should do? Nothing until the feds shove more garbage down our throat? Do you think the NRA should just disband since the heller case? No, they should stay on the offensive and fight to restore our liberties.
 
I am a bit shocked at the defeatist attitude that so many on here have. We continually blast the politicians for not taking the principled stand, and here we have several states that are actually putting things in place, politicians who are setting the table for serious litigation to reign in our out of control fed gov. But instead of seeing this as a positive step, we just have an over flow of negativity. 10 yrs ago I didn't see anything like this happening, or even a serious talk about it happening, but the states are getting tired of the Fed coming in and telling them what to do, they are tired of being run over rough shod, just like we are! They are supposed to listen to US, to the people, and it appears that at least some of them are listening. It isn't perfect, it isn't the "solution", but it is a good first step.
 
Bubba613 said:
You're right. I think of potatoes and white supremacists. I am sure there is more to the state than that.
But there is nothing to a law like this. What is the practical effect? Do you know any FFLs who will suddenly start selling in-state manufactured firearms without a 4473? No. ATF has already sent us a letter saying that Federal law over-rides Tennessee law. I wont be the test case for that. I don't know anyone who would.
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Bubba you're right...

I've been discussing this with Mike Kelly in Alaska, he sponsored the AK FFA. His description was.

"I don't think that FFL's will be effected by any FFA, they've already agreed by becoming an FFL to follow BATFE regulations. What our FFA does is enable anyone who wants to make guns in Alaska, to manufacture and sell them to Alaskans without any BATFE involvement"

AK has some words going into the senate that made the State AG the defense attorney of anyone prosecuted under federal law and the state would assume the legal costs, I'm not hopeful that it's not getting those teeth pulled in the senate though...:cuss:
 
I don't even know of any in-idaho gun manufacturers. And I live here.

just saying.

and there is mroe to Idaho than potatoes and White supremacists (although I have heard that that is mostly in northern ID, I live in southern ID.

the outdoors is huge in Idaho, watersports, fishing, hunting, shooting, all that good stuff is a giant thing in Idaho.

(and not to mention our world class white water rafting rapids)
 
Okies are in this too

Oklahoma is moving on this type of bill too:
Legislation declaring that firearms made and kept in Oklahoma are not subject to regulation by the federal government was recently passed out of a House committee.
House Bill 2994, by state Rep. John Enns, creates the “Firearms Freedom Act. The legislation references the Second, Ninth and 10th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and declares firearms, accessories and ammunition made and sold in Oklahoma free from federal regulations.
“The Constitution allows the federal government to regulate interstate commerce, but firearms and their accessories manufactured and used within the state should not be subject to federal regulations,” Enns, R-Pawhuska, said. “This legislation helps to promote gun rights in Oklahoma and I am proud to see it on its way to the House floor.”

http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-firearm-freedom-story,0,2388528.story
 
The Feds are trying the get the suit dismissed (from 1/19/10)... should be fun to watch the outcome.
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I'm curious, if the Feds get the suit dismissed does this mean they've conceded the point? I mean have they really thought that one out? Think about it, they get it dismissed, then someone sells a manufactured in the state firearm to a resident of said state, and they swoop in and arrest them. Now what? They have to go to SCOTUS and say, "Well, now we want it heard please, please, pretty please?":rolleyes:

Granted I haven't really read up on this as I don't think TX is doing it (darn it), but I think it's hilarious that the Feds don't want to be attacked on this. Must mean that they're scared of loosing. Or am I crazy here?
 
It starts something. If more and more states follow suit, it let's the govt. know where the people stand. What do you think we should do? Nothing until the feds shove more garbage down our throat? Do you think the NRA should just disband since the heller case? No, they should stay on the offensive and fight to restore our liberties.
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I think we should focus on legislation that will actually have a positive effect on the right to keep and bear instead of getting side-tracked by good-intention legislation that won't do a darned thing. We have enough problems with good-intention programs as it is. Why make it worse?
 
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