Joe Demko
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Read The Eiger Sanction, have you?
Ideal weapons for college students, in class.
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I'll see your Eiger Sanction and raise you a Shibumi.Joe Demko said:
jeremy71504
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All you need is a folding knife with a belt clip on it to hold in on the inside of your pocket. Check with local law enforcement on legal length to carry. I myself have a 3 inch folding blade I have on me at all time as well a my multi-tool. (never leave the house without it)
People ask why I carry a knife I tell them its for work. Which it is 99.9% of the time.
People ask why I carry a knife I tell them its for work. Which it is 99.9% of the time.
SaltH2OHokie
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A good knife and the training to go with it would be my call.
As to carrying at school, I know you're not 21, but once you are if you're still in school, it is not against the law in Virginia. I've seen multiple references in this thread to 'illegal' carry on campus. Not true, just against most school's rules (not Blue Ridge Comm College...good for them). Conceal deeply if you decide to do it and you should be fine.
I go to Virginia Tech and I'm 22. I have my permit.
As to carrying at school, I know you're not 21, but once you are if you're still in school, it is not against the law in Virginia. I've seen multiple references in this thread to 'illegal' carry on campus. Not true, just against most school's rules (not Blue Ridge Comm College...good for them). Conceal deeply if you decide to do it and you should be fine.
I go to Virginia Tech and I'm 22. I have my permit.
Fisherman_48768
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I always found that a sharp mind, copious amounts of notes and writing instrument were the best weapons in class, not to mention paying attention and asking questions.
spuscg,
You're looking for the solution to a nearly nonexistent problem. The potential for a shooting on a college campus is close enough to zero to not worry about. Now while the potential for such a problem to occur is nearly zero the consequences are nearly catastrophic. In risk terms you are at low to moderate risk. That warrants some preparation to mitigate such risk, but it does not warrant a lot of effort spent preparing to deal with it.
The fundamentals and many particulars have been discussed and they are no different than any of the other dozen threads on the same topic in this or similar restrictive settings. IOW, the work's been done already.
You're looking for the solution to a nearly nonexistent problem. The potential for a shooting on a college campus is close enough to zero to not worry about. Now while the potential for such a problem to occur is nearly zero the consequences are nearly catastrophic. In risk terms you are at low to moderate risk. That warrants some preparation to mitigate such risk, but it does not warrant a lot of effort spent preparing to deal with it.
The fundamentals and many particulars have been discussed and they are no different than any of the other dozen threads on the same topic in this or similar restrictive settings. IOW, the work's been done already.
Gord
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If you can't take a can of soda, anything else that has some heft to it will do just fine. I always made note of the teachers I had in HS who had those brass apples on their desks, and resolved not to piss them off. 
For that matter, you don't even need an extra pair of socks. Use what you've got on, and wear a belt if at all possible. There's a great potential grappling tool and weapon that no one is ever going to notice or object to, much less try to confiscate.
Anyway, I find the whole exercise to be pretty much moot. In a school shooting situation, things are either going to be close and chaotic - in which case you most likely will not have time to bring an improvised weapon into action (especially if it must be put together first) or far away, in which case you'll hopefully have enough warning to find an escape route if lockdown procedures aren't in effect by that point. Realistically, you're not going to go roaming around looking to clock a shooter on the head with a can of soda and a sock.
For that matter, you don't even need an extra pair of socks. Use what you've got on, and wear a belt if at all possible. There's a great potential grappling tool and weapon that no one is ever going to notice or object to, much less try to confiscate.
Anyway, I find the whole exercise to be pretty much moot. In a school shooting situation, things are either going to be close and chaotic - in which case you most likely will not have time to bring an improvised weapon into action (especially if it must be put together first) or far away, in which case you'll hopefully have enough warning to find an escape route if lockdown procedures aren't in effect by that point. Realistically, you're not going to go roaming around looking to clock a shooter on the head with a can of soda and a sock.
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Gord
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What's your point?
No
Odds of mugging/sexual assault (As a guy do you really have to worry about a sexual assault
) depend upon the area you're in. Some have greater potential for the hazard than other. Same for home invasions.Home invasions are pretty small per capita, but tend to also be neighborhood dependent.
The potential for a shooting at a college is minuscule. There have been too few to be statistically significant. You're more likely to drown than be shot while on a college campus. The attacks around campuses are higher, but neighborhood dependent (just like the vast majority of crime takes place in high crime neighborhoods and not the general community). Rapes are higher around colleges, but not as high as the high crime neighborhoods previously mentioned. The vast majority of muggings around colleges are criminals coming into the neighborhoods.
What college do you attend?
It doesn't mean that violent crime can't find you at any time, but you have to reasonably look at the potential for the hazard and the consequences of the hazard to determine risk so you can be guided towards mitigation efforts. It also means that you need to listen when people tell you that goofy baroque ideas should be discarded in favor of following the KISS principal.
Just be careful not to fall into the Walter Mitty trap. Read SM's posts here and in Strategy & Tactics and remember that defense in depth means knowing what the threat is and what to apply.
Dorm, frat or off-campus apartment?
Dorm, frat or off-campus apartment?
Is SMCC Southern Main?'
What are you studying?
Home or rent?
What are you studying?
Home or rent?
gregormeister
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First off if unarmed and getting shot at or about to get shot at, I'm not gonna waste time with a lock and some 550 cord...I'm gonna run for any window I see and jump with all best intentions of not breaking anything...as far as a non-gun incident...carry a big ole mag-light..
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There are some excellent ideas in this thread. I heartily agree with the maglite and the padlock advice.
I want to know how anyone is going to defend themselves with a broken dvd or a credit card? Running away is a much better option than either of those. A fist is more formidable than a flimsy credit card.
I want to know how anyone is going to defend themselves with a broken dvd or a credit card? Running away is a much better option than either of those. A fist is more formidable than a flimsy credit card.
Dr. Snubnose
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A broken DVD can be used to slice with...break one in half and try it against various targets you will be very surprised, and as far as that credit card goes....well you can't use it as a slicing tool for sure but if you cup it in your hand...bending it a bit (to form the letter c) which adds lots of strength to the card, then try using it as a thrusting tool in hammer or ice pick grip.... once again you will be surprised.....I have tested both and they both can be effective SD tools for someone who wishes to use more than just his fists...Doc
Wow, good read at 3:00 to 4:10 am when I can't sleep. There is one huge problem for most students, even for us profs...money. But, if money is no issue, I suggest considering one of the many bullet/knife resistant shirts...it buys you time:
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/these-polo-shirts-are-fashonable-and-stop-bullets-20081010/
Regarding pepperspray, on the campus where I teach graduate courses, it is as banned as a firearm, because "...the nuns disapprove of violence..." Well Hades on high, I disapprove of being killed or beaten. Yeah, I know ironic, ain't it?! For my part, if I know that a graduate student can't afford a can of OC, I'll buy it for them, and have done so on many occasions. I personally have two rather large cans of OC with me when I can't take my pistol (i.e. into the buildings). I actually have had dozens of students ask that I walk them to their car at night, because at least I have OC….again, campus insecurity has nothing. We always use a buddy system.
Our campus insecurity has nothing defensive whatsoever. Well, that's not accurate. They have Play School radios. At least they can broadcast the gruesome squeals of us being brutalized. Our campus security also has a long and undistinguished history of standing by (literally) while students have been beaten with a tire iron (twice) by a local gang, or with other weapons. But the nuns disapprove of violence. Oh yeah, and try to locate the statistics re: campus crime. They are no longer published. For what it is worth, only one of our insecurity guards has ever had any form of training. All others are retired auto industry workers who are family or friends to the powers that be. Ain't nepotism grand?!
I encourage all LEOs enrolled in my courses to carry in class and on-campus...always. I usually utter something to the effect of: "You do realize that as an LEO you are clear to carry here, right?! Unfortunately I can't carry in-class, but want you to know that I feel much more secure when my eligible students do carry."
Regarding in-class status, here is where open communication becomes important. I don't talk my being a former professional martial artist for bragging…I discuss it to bring to the surface who else in the class is/was trained-up. Knowledge is power. With that knowledge, we can be sure someone skilled enough to help near the door(s). I prefer to know who are my fellow martial artists, former or current LEOs, or just some mean BA-looking person. Let the frail and easily intimidated sit near the windows. They can be breaking glass while the rest of us break bones near the door(s). Besides, the weak or timid would simply be stumbling blocks to those of us who would activity and violently resist.
During class break, I hold some pretty frank discussions with my fellows defenders. We aren't paranoid, but we're pretty darned prepared, considering the legal restrictions.
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/these-polo-shirts-are-fashonable-and-stop-bullets-20081010/
Regarding pepperspray, on the campus where I teach graduate courses, it is as banned as a firearm, because "...the nuns disapprove of violence..." Well Hades on high, I disapprove of being killed or beaten. Yeah, I know ironic, ain't it?! For my part, if I know that a graduate student can't afford a can of OC, I'll buy it for them, and have done so on many occasions. I personally have two rather large cans of OC with me when I can't take my pistol (i.e. into the buildings). I actually have had dozens of students ask that I walk them to their car at night, because at least I have OC….again, campus insecurity has nothing. We always use a buddy system.
Our campus insecurity has nothing defensive whatsoever. Well, that's not accurate. They have Play School radios. At least they can broadcast the gruesome squeals of us being brutalized. Our campus security also has a long and undistinguished history of standing by (literally) while students have been beaten with a tire iron (twice) by a local gang, or with other weapons. But the nuns disapprove of violence. Oh yeah, and try to locate the statistics re: campus crime. They are no longer published. For what it is worth, only one of our insecurity guards has ever had any form of training. All others are retired auto industry workers who are family or friends to the powers that be. Ain't nepotism grand?!
I encourage all LEOs enrolled in my courses to carry in class and on-campus...always. I usually utter something to the effect of: "You do realize that as an LEO you are clear to carry here, right?! Unfortunately I can't carry in-class, but want you to know that I feel much more secure when my eligible students do carry."
Regarding in-class status, here is where open communication becomes important. I don't talk my being a former professional martial artist for bragging…I discuss it to bring to the surface who else in the class is/was trained-up.
Knowledge is power. With that knowledge, we can be sure someone skilled enough to help near the door(s). I prefer to know who are my fellow martial artists, former or current LEOs, or just some mean BA-looking person. Let the frail and easily intimidated sit near the windows. They can be breaking glass while the rest of us break bones near the door(s). Besides, the weak or timid would simply be stumbling blocks to those of us who would activity and violently resist.During class break, I hold some pretty frank discussions with my fellows defenders. We aren't paranoid, but we're pretty darned prepared, considering the legal restrictions.
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Ha! Yes, that's it! I've had that idea rolling around in the back of my mind for years...guess I'd forgotten whence it came. "...passed, not qualified...", indeed. Too funny!
Ha! Yes, that's it! I've had that idea rolling around in the back of my mind for years...guess I'd forgotten whence it came. "...passed, not qualified...", indeed. Too funny!
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