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Who were those people? Why didn't Nethercott present them in his defense? Were they there...part of Ranch Rescue, maybe?
Illegal aliens awarded Arizona ranch?
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Who were those people? Why didn't Nethercott present them in his defense? Were they there...part of Ranch Rescue, maybe?
spartacus2002
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shootinstudent said:
Did you not see the two posters who said he was in jail?
shootinstudent
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spartacus,
Being jail does not prevent you from answering a complaint.
Being jail does not prevent you from answering a complaint.
Carl N. Brown
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If only one side shows up in court, that side gets to present
their case without contradiction.
Even if you suspect you are going to a kangaroo court for your
own lynching, you do go to court and you do put your side on
the record and you lawyer up for appeal if necessary.
That ranch will probably show up on sheriff's auction for failure
to pay taxes. All this, so rich Californians can have cheap lawn care,
babysitters, and housecleaners, at slave wages. And the underpaid
illegals have to use emergency rooms, welfare, etc., at taxpayer
expense so fat cats don't have to mow their own yards, change their
kids' diapers or sweep their own floors like the rest of us do.
If we go into Mexico without paperwork, we would end up in
federale prison. Why is Mexican sovereignity more important than
American sovereignity?
The Mexicans of European ancestry, like Vincente Fox, are exporting
the Mexicans of native Indian ancestry north of their border; this
is ethnic cleansing if I ever saw it: like the Brits starving the Irish
out of Ireland.
their case without contradiction.
Even if you suspect you are going to a kangaroo court for your
own lynching, you do go to court and you do put your side on
the record and you lawyer up for appeal if necessary.
That ranch will probably show up on sheriff's auction for failure
to pay taxes. All this, so rich Californians can have cheap lawn care,
babysitters, and housecleaners, at slave wages. And the underpaid
illegals have to use emergency rooms, welfare, etc., at taxpayer
expense so fat cats don't have to mow their own yards, change their
kids' diapers or sweep their own floors like the rest of us do.
If we go into Mexico without paperwork, we would end up in
federale prison. Why is Mexican sovereignity more important than
American sovereignity?
The Mexicans of European ancestry, like Vincente Fox, are exporting
the Mexicans of native Indian ancestry north of their border; this
is ethnic cleansing if I ever saw it: like the Brits starving the Irish
out of Ireland.
longeyes
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Exporting the bodies, importing the dollars.
As far as Fox is concerned the border is fluid, with his people just moving the flag north.
shootinstudent
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what paperwork do we need to get into mexico? I'd like to see one instance of a non-fugitive being jailed in Mexico solely for immigration violations...that'd sure be news to me.
shootinstudent
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Interesting. Do you have any sources for this? It would seem odd to claim that there is a heavy military presence on the one hand, when on the other, the Zapatistas are pretty much left alone in a jungle that straddles Mexico's southern border...hmmm
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Can you help me perhaps? I was just down there three months ago, had the chance to get into some good chats with a local politician. Corruption, gangs (like everywhere else), but a policy of shooting trespasser immigrants? No such thing as I've seen it...
I'm open to seeing some info though.
Sindawe
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Well, YOU made the assertion, its incumbent apon you to back it up with references.
I too would like to see this, since my searches in the past 15 minutes have been fruitless. I think it would be great ammo to use on the pro-illegal alien factions here in the U.S. when they call us savages for suggesting the same to protect OUR border.
RomanKnight
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shootinstudent: Who were those people? Why didn't Nethercott present them in his defense? Were they there...part of Ranch Rescue, maybe?
Forgive me for not having a Power Point presentation for you, to save you from doing any research on your own. Frankly, I don't remember. Part of RR, not sure. I know that a jury deadlocked on the charge of pistol-whipping. These people (RR, Nethercott, Foote) don't have piles of money laying around, and legions of lawyers. I'd say that Nethercott must've used what he had to pay for his first two trials. Another episode in the destruction of this country, when property owning American citizens defending their property and country are punished for their actions and thoughts.
Forgive me for not having a Power Point presentation for you, to save you from doing any research on your own. Frankly, I don't remember. Part of RR, not sure. I know that a jury deadlocked on the charge of pistol-whipping. These people (RR, Nethercott, Foote) don't have piles of money laying around, and legions of lawyers. I'd say that Nethercott must've used what he had to pay for his first two trials. Another episode in the destruction of this country, when property owning American citizens defending their property and country are punished for their actions and thoughts.
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Mexico accused of abusing its illegals
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 24, 2005
Advertisement
The State Department says that the Mexican government, angry that a thousand American volunteers will begin an Arizona border vigil next month, consistently violates the rights of illegal immigrants crossing its southern border into Mexico.
Many of the illegals in Mexico, who emigrate from Central and South America, complain of "double dangers" of extortion by Mexican authorities and robbery and killings by organized gangs.
The State Department's Human Rights Practices report, released only last month, cites abuses at all levels of the Mexican government, and charges that Mexican police and immigration officials not only violate the rights of illegal immigrants, but traffic in illegal aliens.
Although Mexico demands that its citizens' rights be protected when they illegally enter the United States, immigrants who cross illegally into Mexico "are often ripped off six ways until sundown," says George Grayson, a professor at the College of William & Mary and a fellow at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).
Mr. Grayson, who wrote a report for the center on Mexico's abuses of aliens, says "very little" is being done by Mexico to protect the welfare of the Central Americans and the others who cross into Mexico.
Mexican President Vicente Fox said last week that his government will sue in U.S. or international courts if the volunteers -- part of the Minuteman Project, which is designed to protest the Bush administration's lax immigration policies -- break the law.
"We totally reject the idea of these migrant-hunting groups," Mr. Fox said prior to yesterday's Baylor University summit in Waco, Texas, with President Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, at which the countries agreed to improve security and unify business practices.
"We will use the law, international law and even U.S. law to make sure that these types of groups ... will not have any opportunity to progress," Mr. Fox said last week.
In response, Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican, urged Mr. Fox to respect America's right to defend its borders and "demonstrate perhaps a little less disdain for the rule of law north of the border."
Mr. Kyl said Mr. Fox's "pre-emptive threats" to file lawsuits on behalf of those crossing the border unlawfully "is hardly helpful, since it presumes that illegal aliens have more of a right to break American law than American citizens have to peacefully assist authorities in enforcing it."
Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, says Mexico had "raised the bar on chutzpah" by criticizing efforts by the Minuteman volunteers to protest immigration enforcement by the U.S. government.
"Since when are 'Neighborhood Watch' citizens 'vigilantes'?" Mr. Tancredo asked. "President Fox thinks we should tear down the fence that keeps illegal aliens out? Then why doesn't he put up a welcome sign on his southern border with Guatemala instead of using his military to keep poor Guatemalans out? Such hypocrisy about borders defies historic parallel."
In a press conference yesterday in Waco, President Bush described the Arizona volunteers as "vigilantes."
Alfonso Nieto, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, said the presence of "vigilantes" on the border "will only exacerbate a climate of unease and provide sources of confrontation that will not contribute to solving the flow of economic migrants demanded by the U.S. government."
Mr. Nieto would not comment on suspected immigrant abuses in his own country, but Mexican government officials earlier said Mr. Fox created a national program on human rights to address problems.
James Gilchrist, one of the Minutemen organizers, who expects to send 30 private planes aloft to patrol the border, said the volunteers will not confront the aliens, but report them to the Border Patrol. The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona said it will post legal observers to monitor the Minutemen.
Mr. Grayson says most of Mexico's abuses occur along its 600-mile border with Guatemala, and that three groups -- criminals, local police and immigration agents -- account for most of the mistreatment. He said Mexico's efforts to promote professionalization among its own border officials "thus far have achieved limited success."
About 200,000 immigrants were detained last year on Mexico's southern border, most of them from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. Most of them were trying to reach the United States.
Mr. Bush, to criticism by both Democrats and Republicans, proposes to hire 210 new Border Patrol agents instead of the 2,000 set out in the intelligence-overhaul bill that he signed in December. The Senate voted last week to provide additional funding for the 2,000 agents in next year's budget, signaling a willingness to challenge Mr. Bush on immigration security.
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 24, 2005
Advertisement
The State Department says that the Mexican government, angry that a thousand American volunteers will begin an Arizona border vigil next month, consistently violates the rights of illegal immigrants crossing its southern border into Mexico.
Many of the illegals in Mexico, who emigrate from Central and South America, complain of "double dangers" of extortion by Mexican authorities and robbery and killings by organized gangs.
The State Department's Human Rights Practices report, released only last month, cites abuses at all levels of the Mexican government, and charges that Mexican police and immigration officials not only violate the rights of illegal immigrants, but traffic in illegal aliens.
Although Mexico demands that its citizens' rights be protected when they illegally enter the United States, immigrants who cross illegally into Mexico "are often ripped off six ways until sundown," says George Grayson, a professor at the College of William & Mary and a fellow at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).
Mr. Grayson, who wrote a report for the center on Mexico's abuses of aliens, says "very little" is being done by Mexico to protect the welfare of the Central Americans and the others who cross into Mexico.
Mexican President Vicente Fox said last week that his government will sue in U.S. or international courts if the volunteers -- part of the Minuteman Project, which is designed to protest the Bush administration's lax immigration policies -- break the law.
"We totally reject the idea of these migrant-hunting groups," Mr. Fox said prior to yesterday's Baylor University summit in Waco, Texas, with President Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, at which the countries agreed to improve security and unify business practices.
"We will use the law, international law and even U.S. law to make sure that these types of groups ... will not have any opportunity to progress," Mr. Fox said last week.
In response, Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican, urged Mr. Fox to respect America's right to defend its borders and "demonstrate perhaps a little less disdain for the rule of law north of the border."
Mr. Kyl said Mr. Fox's "pre-emptive threats" to file lawsuits on behalf of those crossing the border unlawfully "is hardly helpful, since it presumes that illegal aliens have more of a right to break American law than American citizens have to peacefully assist authorities in enforcing it."
Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, says Mexico had "raised the bar on chutzpah" by criticizing efforts by the Minuteman volunteers to protest immigration enforcement by the U.S. government.
"Since when are 'Neighborhood Watch' citizens 'vigilantes'?" Mr. Tancredo asked. "President Fox thinks we should tear down the fence that keeps illegal aliens out? Then why doesn't he put up a welcome sign on his southern border with Guatemala instead of using his military to keep poor Guatemalans out? Such hypocrisy about borders defies historic parallel."
In a press conference yesterday in Waco, President Bush described the Arizona volunteers as "vigilantes."
Alfonso Nieto, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, said the presence of "vigilantes" on the border "will only exacerbate a climate of unease and provide sources of confrontation that will not contribute to solving the flow of economic migrants demanded by the U.S. government."
Mr. Nieto would not comment on suspected immigrant abuses in his own country, but Mexican government officials earlier said Mr. Fox created a national program on human rights to address problems.
James Gilchrist, one of the Minutemen organizers, who expects to send 30 private planes aloft to patrol the border, said the volunteers will not confront the aliens, but report them to the Border Patrol. The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona said it will post legal observers to monitor the Minutemen.
Mr. Grayson says most of Mexico's abuses occur along its 600-mile border with Guatemala, and that three groups -- criminals, local police and immigration agents -- account for most of the mistreatment. He said Mexico's efforts to promote professionalization among its own border officials "thus far have achieved limited success."
About 200,000 immigrants were detained last year on Mexico's southern border, most of them from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. Most of them were trying to reach the United States.
Mr. Bush, to criticism by both Democrats and Republicans, proposes to hire 210 new Border Patrol agents instead of the 2,000 set out in the intelligence-overhaul bill that he signed in December. The Senate voted last week to provide additional funding for the 2,000 agents in next year's budget, signaling a willingness to challenge Mr. Bush on immigration security.
CAnnoneer
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Excellent, longeyes!
hehehehehehehe
I can't wait to see what spin the resident leftwingers will put on that.
hahahahahahaha
Priceless, I say!
hehehehehehehe
I can't wait to see what spin the resident leftwingers will put on that.
hahahahahahaha
Priceless, I say!
Art Eatman
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OT, but to give an idea of the Mexican system: First off, Google for "mordida", which is a large part of a civil servant's income in Mexico.
Look: People talk about how the drug lords, the narcotrafficantes, have corrupted Mexico. BS. The drug lords are cash cows, to whom "The System" sells protection. The corruption preceded the drug lords, by decades. That doesn't mean all Mexican civil servants and military, of course, but more than enough for the system to continue, and for the drug lords to continue operations...
Art
Look: People talk about how the drug lords, the narcotrafficantes, have corrupted Mexico. BS. The drug lords are cash cows, to whom "The System" sells protection. The corruption preceded the drug lords, by decades. That doesn't mean all Mexican civil servants and military, of course, but more than enough for the system to continue, and for the drug lords to continue operations...
Art
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