Illegal aliens awarded Arizona ranch?

[Erinyes]

I think a lot of people in this thread are reading too much into the judge's decision. Whether the charges are true or not doesn't matter. The defenant didn't even bother to show up and defend himself. The judge has no other choice than to award for the plantiff. And if the defendant doesn't have the liquid assets to pay for the damages, then the court has to seize other assets, in this case, the ranch. The actual monetary award was probably a lot less than the assessed value of the ranch, but the ranch was the only asset the defendant had that could cover the amount. So it was seized.

 

[ka50]

One thing I do wonder about it...

Since they are undocumented aliens, how are they going to claim the ownership of the property? On which SSN? How are they going to pay taxes on the property? How are they going to report their earned income? Maybe they'll just set-up an illegal immigration outpost and begin human trafficing? ... then what?

NEWSFLASH, NEWSFLASH
Liberals outlawed and seized all guns! Borders are wide open! Human trafficing is out of control! Citizens cannot defend themselves anymore!

Great - seize American property and give it to border violators lol... this judgment is just so insane it's redicilous.

America is becoming a socialist country... at least socialist countries don't give away land to border trespassers.

 

[ka50]

Also what it all comes down to is personal responsibility.

You have to know where you're going and what you're doing. You always have to be prepared for the worst, yet hope for the best.

If you're going somewhere where you might have to defend yourself and rely on your own - arm yourself. Avoid hazardous situations and be on lookout.

The problem in America is too many lazy people who want to put blame on someone else. Also too many socialists here and there that want to leech off others.

 

[NineseveN]

If you are not a citizen in this country, or a citizen from another country visiting here with our written permission, you should have zero, (yes, ZERO) rights.

The right not to be assaulted? Sorry, should have come through the big stone lady from France like my ancestors did. The right not to be hunted down and exterminated like the infesting roach you are? Sorry, should have applied for citizenship or a Visa legally.

They come here because it is better, and in that process, they can make things worse. Time to make it less appealing on this side of the Rio Grande.

 

[shootinstudent]

The right not to be assaulted? Sorry, should have come through the big stone lady from France like my ancestors did. The right not to be hunted down and exterminated like the infesting roach you are? Sorry, should have applied for citizenship or a Visa legally.

Not sure about yours, but in my idea of American history, there was a country founded on the idea that men are endowed by their creator with rights...ie, the fact that it is written on a piece of paper isn't what gives you basic human rights. It's the fact that your human.

Looks to me like you might want to find another country with a less European view of human rights...China maybe?

 

[Zedicus]

Re: Original 2 articles.

I can only find one thing to day in responce.

"Whisky Tango Foxtrot"???

 

[lysander]

Some of you folks need to calm down for a second and take a look at this incident from another perspective.

Which is more damaging to the "American Way"....a judge abiding by the legal system as constructed (stare decisis) and awarding a default judgement in favor of two plaintiffs who file suit....or....a judge denying a default judgement in a lawsuit because the plaintiffs are immigrants (illegal or otherwise)?

I agree it is RIDICULOUS that two illegal immigrants who get roughed up are given a 70 acre ranch...but the people who did the roughing up did not EXERCISE their rights and failed to appear for their day in court.

If at trial the judge had denied the default judgement...Morris Dees and the SPLC would have appealed and won. The DEFENDANT NEVER SHOWED UP. How would you feel about a legal system that allowed a civil defendant to avoid answering charges in court with no punishment?

What if you were the plaintiff? Would you want to lose your suit (or be unable to bring suit) simply because you belong to a certain class of persons?

So the short answer is: 2 illegals get roughed up and are awarded a 70 acre patch of desert because the defendant failed to show up in court...and the rights of plaintiffs in all kinds of suits are protected.

 

[DRZinn]

I believe Skeeter Skelton referred to it in one of his books (my apologies if I'm wrong)

Would that be Sabes Que?

 

[DRZinn]

You're all missing an important point:

Nethercott transferred ownership of his 70-acre Douglas ranch to his sister. But the sister gave up ownership to settle the judgment when challenged by the immigrants' lawyers.

Assuming that information is correct, there was no judgement by the court to give the ranch to the illegals. Stupid woman.

 

[jsalcedo]

Would that be Sabes Que?

Never heard of that one. It could have been one of his shooting times articles
or his compilation book I remember skeeter.

All of his writing is highly recommended BTW.

 

[longeyes]

And, we're not talking jaywalking...we're talking armed violent felons running around at night, pistol whipping someone. That's a potentially deadly assault. I don't think hitting someone over the head with a gun is any small thing at all.

I think maybe you're really talking about L.A. gangstas, the majority of whom are now illegal aliens.

We were advised by one poster to calm down. Dude, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. The legal system in this nation is on a suicide course. That is tragically unfortunate but there it is. Sometimes stuff just has to happen. My view is that the Federal government has been acting like a bully for a long, long time. Don't pin the "violence" on the isolated people who have chosen to resist the insanity.

 

[MechAg94]

The big lesson of incident is: If you are sued, SHOW UP IN COURT!!!!

I bet the guy could have gotten out of this with a much smaller judgement if any at all if he had just shown up and argued his side, even without a lawyer.

 

[lysander]

DocZinn said:

You're all missing an important point:

Nethercott transferred ownership of his 70-acre Douglas ranch to his sister. But the sister gave up ownership to settle the judgment when challenged by the immigrants' lawyers.

Assuming that information is correct, there was no judgement by the court to give the ranch to the illegals. Stupid woman.

From what I understand of the facts, Nethercott was in prison for the handgun possession charge when the civil suit was being pursued. However...just because he was in prison does not mean he can't defend himself in court...he failed to do so.

Again...I'm not saying it is right...in fact it reeks of a crafty lawyer (and Dees is that very thing) manipulating the system. But lest we forget...we have a LEGAL system, not a JUSTICE system.

Regarding Nethercott's transfer of ownership to his sister...my guess would be that was a weak attempt to make himself "judgement proof" in the event that the court ruled for the illegals. When SPLC lawyers threatened to call his sister on it...she folded.

If you are going to act in such a way that exposes you to legal liability...you had best possess the resources to CYA when the ball drops. It is fairly obvious that Nethercott did/does not.

 

[longeyes]

But lest we forget...we have a LEGAL system, not a JUSTICE system.

How true. Too bad the law is not going to solve America's problems.

 

[CAnnoneer]

Not sure about yours, but in my idea of American history, there was a country founded on the idea that men are endowed by their creator with rights...ie, the fact that it is written on a piece of paper isn't what gives you basic human rights. It's the fact that your human.

Great! So let's extend US citizenship to everyone in this world, because they are humans and are equal. And let's also equalize material possessions too, because as humans we are equal. Share women? What else?

Except, historically, every system that tried to do the above always miserably collapsed, but not before reaching twisted perversions of societies where some were always more equal than others.

SS, you get A on idealism, C on history, and F on pragmatism.

+1 NineseveN

Invaders should be accorded no rights. Like it or not, for most humans only fear outweighs greed.

 

[shootinstudent]

Great! So let's extend US citizenship to everyone in this world, because they are humans and are equal. And let's also equalize material possessions too, because as humans we are equal. Share women? What else?

Except, historically, every system that tried to do the above always miserably collapsed, but not before reaching twisted perversions of societies where some were always more equal than others.

that's obviously hyperbole. It is possible, even pragmatic, to treat criminals of all sorts in a way that doesn't turn you into a barbarian. In the same way that I think most would find it contrary to our vision of rights to allow for police to pistol whip shoplifters, transients, or welfare scammers...I think there need be no conflict between enforcement of immigration regulations and the principles of basic human decency.

Historically, there have always been loads of immigrants and people have always claimed that they were going to ruin America. Those people have uniformly been wrong.

I'm really surprised that I'm finding resistance on the idea that assault with a deadly weapon is unacceptable against nonthreatening folks, even petty criminals. Where exactly in the history books did you find a time in America when beating trespassers over the head with a pistol was legal?

 

[NineseveN]

Historically, there have always been loads of immigrants and people have always claimed that they were going to ruin America. Those people have uniformly been wrong.

Except, we're not those people, and those immigrants became part of our culture, bringing their own worth and value to it, whereas these Mexicans aren't. They don't belong here, we have a system, they're ignoring it. I know they have problems back home, I empathize, but we have problems here. Now we have to deal with theirs as well. What if we took all of the money that we spend on immigration and patrolling the borders and pt it towards homeless shelters and rehabilitation for the homeless? Or how about shelters for battered women or abused children?

 

[shootinstudent]

Except, we're not those people, and those immigrants became part of our culture, bringing their own worth and value to it, whereas these Mexicans aren't.

Of course. That's the same line that's been used every single time, except in the past it was even more dire in its predictions. The Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Eastern Europeans...all the same arguments were made about them that are now being made about Mexicans.

I have yet to meet a single kid born to Mexican parents in the US and raised here who can't speak english. Most of the second generation kids I meet don't even speak spanish. Yes, a generalization based on personal experience...but I wonder sometimes where our ideas about "these Mexicans" are coming from. When's the last time you went out to talk to a bunch of Mexicans about what they want in America?

 

[DRZinn]

my guess would be that was a weak attempt to make himself "judgement proof" in the event that the court ruled for the illegals. When SPLC lawyers threatened to call his sister on it...she folded.

The stupid sister shouldn't have folded. All they could have gotten from her would be the ranch - which she gave up anyway. Nothing to lose, a ranch to gain - yeah, fold. Dumb. Just dumb.

 

[NineseveN]

Of course. That's the same line that's been used every single time, except in the past it was even more dire in its predictions. The Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Eastern Europeans...all the same arguments were made about them that are now being made about Mexicans.

So because some unrelated people in the past made a similar predicition or ascertation towards an unrelated event or phenomena, the idea falls flat without merit? You're going to have to do better than that.

I have yet to meet a single kid born to Mexican parents in the US and raised here who can't speak english. Most of the second generation kids I meet don't even speak spanish. Yes, a generalization based on personal experience...but I wonder sometimes where our ideas about "these Mexicans" are coming from.

And I have yet to meet a single Mexican 'illegal' that could speak passable English.

When's the last time you went out to talk to a bunch of Mexicans about what they want in America?

It doesn't matter what they want in America, they're here illegally and they do not belong here. Just because you and others want to champion them doesn't make their presence here legal or even remotely okay. When they come in legally like the rest of the immigrants, then they can have their say, until then, I submit that one that is in this country illegally should not be affforded any legal protection whatsoever. They should have no rights, period. Perhaps then maybe they'll follow the porcess we ask all immigrants to follow instead of infesting us through the border.

I have no respect for them because they have no respect for our laws and our norms, two of the very things that make this country so desireable for all to live in. Sure, they want in, sure, they want to come to America, but they don't want to follow the rules to get in...and I cannot respect that.

 

[lysander]

Longeyes said:

How true. Too bad the law is not going to solve America's problems.

Sadly...as I sit here studying for my LAW SCHOOL finals...I realize this very statement is true.

 

[longeyes]

I say that with lamentation.

Law requires good will, reason, a desire to find sublimated ways to reduce if not eliminate conflict. Those are predicates in increasingly short supply. Reducing the cohesion of our society, as we have for decades, is moving in the wrong direction.

I expect the law itself to fragment soon. "Mexican" courts. Tribal courts. We are primitivizing our culture, with the encouragement of both government and commerce.

 

[belton-deer-hunter]

this makes me wish i had a good sniper rifle a picture of sweet tea and about a thousand rounds of ammo for said rifle i would sit out there all day stopping immagration thought i should add " only th illegal kind"

 

[lysander]

Speaking of tribal primitivity...

this makes me wish i had a good sniper rifle a picture of sweet tea and about a thousand rounds of ammo for said rifle i would sit out there all day stopping immagration thought i should add " only th illegal kind"

Primitives are more easily managed by their betters.

 

[RomanKnight]

From listening to radio interviews with people who knew more about the case, here's the scoop. Nethercott didn't hit anyone. A few days after the alleged "incident", the two real criminals (illegal aliens tresspassers) met with someone from the Salvadorian embassy. Then Morris Dees and SPLC (which has nothing to do with the South, with poverty, or with the Law) takes their case, and sues. Ranch Rescue had been a big thorn for all the communist traitors pro illegal immigration, and this includes elements from the .gov. Is it too far-fetched to guess that the illegals were told to come up with the pistol whipping story and stick to it, for which they will be rewarded with immunity, permanent residency, and money? Hm... Nethercott was in jail at the time, in no position (and money) to defend himself. Neither him, nor Foote, have the money (and lawyers+resources) to take on Dees and SPLC. There was no trial, only one side was able to show up and present their "case". The "criminal justice system"(sic) was too busy to save us from a felon with pistol on his property, to do something about alien invaders.