Illinois Assault Weapons Ban Proposed - NO GRANDFATHERING

[Trent]

I'm guessing some of the 57 "yes" votes would not be "yes" votes for a final bill. There are plenty of Democrats who probably voted "Yes" today for political reasons when they know the votes are meaningless, but will not vote for an assault weapons ban when the final vote actually counts.

There were a lot of cross-over votes on HB1155 that voted for anti-gun amendments but then ended up voting in favor of Phelps' HB997 amendment.

Yeah, but if you remember, at least one representative said he'd only vote for the "final" bill if the amendments he voted on were INCLUDED.

Some of those amendments are a joke; one would ban me from carrying in my own office, because it's next door ('adjacent') to a school. Another would mean I'm breaking the law driving with a weapon past the Illinois Central College *agriculture* farm field. (Driving adjacent to college property), and so on.

The language of those is highly offensive to me, and the entire concept of "gun free zones" is nothing more than wishful thinking.

EVERY shooting - with very rare exception - happens in a gun free zone.

 

[Jeff White]

The silence from the ISRA on this debate is deafening......

 

[Trent]

Jeff - no kidding.

They didn't even POST on Facebook or send out any alerts about it until WELL AFTER the damn thing was OVER today.

Hell, I log on to IllinoisCarry every morning to see what mauserme posts up for the agenda that day, I was sitting on the video feed 3 hours before the house even convened (due to the caucus they always take to blow off half the day).

Useless organization.

 

[Phatty]

The silence from the ISRA on this debate is deafening......

Which is surprising because the ISRA usually never passes up an opportunity to scare the crap out of its members.

 

[Trent]

Oh it'll come tomorrow.

OMG!!!! MADIGAN WOKE UP AGAIN TODAY! GIVE US MONEY!

Sorry. I'm heading in a direction that isn't high road so I'll shut up now.

 

[Trent]

Haha 1938 Germany... yeah.

Someday school kids will be reading about "The Diary of Trent Lawrence"....

Well maybe not.

I have more guns than she did.

 

[Trent]

Sorry I had Anne Franks on the brain. My two junior high children are currently studying her in school. Except, they're not reading the BOOK for literature class, rather, they're reading the PLAY.

I was not very happy with that decision by the teacher; the play doesn't accurately reflect the history, thought process, and environment. But that's a topic for a different day.

List of representatives that voted YES on the assault weapons ban:

Name ; District ; Party

Edward J. Acevedo 2 D
Luis Arroyo 3 D
Maria Antonia Berrios 39 D
Daniel J. Burke 1 D
Kelly Burke 36 D
Kelly M. Cassidy 14 D
Linda Chapa LaVia 83 D
Deborah Conroy 46 D
Fred Crespo 44 D
Barbara Flynn Currie 25 D
John D'Amico 15 D
Monique D. Davis 27 D
William Davis 30 D
Scott Drury 58 D
Kenneth Dunkin 5 D
Marcus C. Evans, Jr. 33 D
Keith Farnham 43 D
Sara Feigenholtz 12 D
Laura Fine 17 D
Mary E. Flowers 31 D
La Shawn K. Ford 8 D
Jack D. Franks 63 D
Robyn Gabel 18 D
Esther Golar 6 D
Jehan A. Gordon-Booth 92 D
Greg Harris 13 D
Elizabeth Hernandez 24 D
Frances Ann Hurley 35 D
Naomi D. Jakobsson 103 D
Charles E. Jefferson 67 D
Thaddeus Jones 29 D
Stephanie A Kifowit 84 D
Lou Lang 16 D
Camille Y. Lilly 78 D
Natalie A Manley 98 D
Robert F Martwick 19 D
Rita Mayfield 60 D
Emily McAsey 85 D
Deborah Mell 40 D
Christian L Mitchell 26 D
Martin J Moylan 55 D
Michelle Mussman 56 D
Elaine Nekritz 57 D
Al Riley 38 D
Robert Rita 28 D
Carol A. Sente 59 D
Elgie R. Sims, Jr. 34 D
Derrick Smith 10 D
Cynthia Soto 4 D
Silvana Tabares 21 D
André M. Thapedi 32 D
Arthur Turner 9 D
Lawrence M. Walsh, Jr. 86 D
Emanuel Chris Welch 7 D
Ann Williams 11 D
Kathleen Willis 77 D
Sam Yingling 62 D
Michael J. Zalewski 23 D
Michael Madigan 22 D

Source: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35274

(Compiled by Elderberry)

IF YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IS ON THIS LIST PICK UP YOUR PHONE AND CALL THEM.

If you look at which reps voted "Y" on individual amendments, not ALL voted yes on all, but 59 of them voted on SOME of them (total).

They're only *1* vote shy of having a simple majority to pass an assault weapons ban that does not include pre-emption language. (That's bad, very bad)

This is running TOO CLOSE folks. Time to get you butts in gear!!!!

-T

 

[Old Fuff]

List of representatives that voted YES on the assault weapons ban:

All "D's" and no "R's". Draw your own conclusions.

 

[JFtheGR8]

Those D's that did vote yes need to hear from their pro 2A constituents to remind them of what the silent majority wants.


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[Old Fuff]

Maybe a new designation would help:

D-C = Democrat/Chicago
D-R = Democrat/Rural

Same for Republicans.

 

[Mer2112]

OK, what's a good "script" to use when contacting our representatives? We need to keep it short, sweet and to the point.

 

[JFtheGR8]

OK, what's a good "script" to use when contacting our representatives? We need to keep it short, sweet and to the point.

I believe there is such a thread on Illinoiscarry.com for just what you're looking for. My reps are pro 2A so I didn't have too difficult a job writing to them. I've used the web forms on Ruger, Smith & Wesson and the like to contact my federal legislators.


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[Jeff White]

All "D's" and no "R's". Draw your own conclusions.

The republicans decided not to participate in protest of the way Madigan used the rules to bring this debate to the floor.

Mike Madigan is Illinois state government. Quinn is just comic relief. Nothing happens in the Illinois legislature that Mike Madigan doesn't personally approve. The rules were written to give him that power when he became speaker.

 

[Blackbeard]

If it passes, what are the chances SAF will challenge it? Can they get an injunction to keep it from becoming law?

 

[Trent]

We spoke back today.

Early estimates from the Prairie Convention Center put attendance on Illinois' rally around the 8,000 mark today.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=706951

 

[Clinton]

Was phenominal. I was there!

Clinton

 

[Trent]

Yeah it was an eye opener, for both sides. I was floored by the amount of people that showed up, despite the weather. 6 buses got cancelled, last minute, from what I heard.

Definitely a memorable experience!

And, make no mistake, they knew we were there. You couldn't take a leak without seeing a gold shirt.

 

[Birdhunter1]

AWESOME guys. Wish I could have been there.

 

[hey_poolboy]

That's fantastic considering the weather! I missed it this year of all years. :-(
Wish I was there instead of doing inventory.

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[wow6599]

My wife is from Murphysboro, IL. I know a lot of good folks from your sate, and I pray for the best for you all, but I don't see how 8,000 folks out of nearly 13,000,000 helps.

You'll get more than twice as many for a Blackhawks game........

 

[Trent]

My wife is from Murphysboro, IL. I know a lot of good folks from your sate, and I pray for the best for you all, but I don't see how 8,000 folks out of nearly 13,000,000 helps.

You'll get more than twice as many for a Blackhawks game........

Back in 2001 when we met (it was called Concealed Carry Inc, or somethingrather), we were all able to fit in to the backroom of a bar in the Chicago Suburbs. The first time we actually met up and went to the State Capitol there were about 2 dozen gun owners present.

I'd say we have come a very long way.

Illinois gun owners are speaking in other ways as well. At the Judicial committee hearing last week, the Illinois State Police representative commented that the FOID system had been overwhelmed since Sandy Hook, and was still sitting at a backlog of over 60,000 NEW applications.

Gun owners in this state are waking up. Every time there's a firearms committee hearing there's hundreds of witness slips filed, and close to a thousand viewers watching live over LiveStream. That's not counting people (like me) who watch the 240p stream over ILGA's site, since stats aren't tracked there.

On 2/22/2013 during Madigan's push for a "may issue" concealed carry process, over 2000 posts were made in a 6 hour period on the thread on IllinoisCarry, and the thread had nearly 75,000 views.

In 6 hours.

Even as big as TheHighRoad.org is, we don't see anywhere NEAR that volume of forum traffic here in the same period of time; at least, not on one subject. I think the closest thing we have here is Flintknapper's Epic Saga of Boar Hunting In Texas, but that's taken years to write...

 

[Birdhunter1]

Trent are you a mod at Illinois carry?

 

[Trent]

Nope, I lurked for years and just recently joined.

 

[Solo]

So, I heard in the news that the proposals were advanced, but not passed?

 

[Trent]

Birdhunter; I've covered my story a bit in some of the "Debating an Anti-Gunner" threads I've wrote and other threads I've contributed to on here; short story follows:

I was an activist (of the strongest, loudest variety) back in the late 90's / early 2000's. I got stomped on HARD by the Illinois State Police, was listed as Armed and Dangerous for my outspoken views and ... certain affiliations. Spent a lot of time handcuffed on the ground getting my car searched at random traffic stops. Even got to be on a first name basis with certain FBI agents out of the quad cities. (Long story).

Back then the State did not want to hear what we were demanding. The right to self defense, the end of "first class citizenry."

I eventually got tired of getting harassed for my views, and ... 'retired.'

Life, career, children, and so on took priority.

But as my kids grew older, and the anti-gun agenda in Illinois gained traction, I realized that it's either time to stand up, or shut up. My children's heritage is on the line, and they will not be deprived of the freedoms I have enjoyed. Their freedom is not up for debate. *I* am their representative. THEY do not get the right to vote yet.

Much of that transformation, including some serious internal personal conflicts from first hand losses from gun violence, has been documented on this very forum.

Bottom line though, MY personal free time is not worth anything, compared to the future of my five children, and their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of whatever the hell makes them happy.

So I'm as active as possible, with all the time I have available. (Except for some occasional downtime with Star Trek on Netflix... I'm a geek.)

Anyway, that's the short version.