I'm lovin' this super companion

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The smaller scoop part # ends with CBL, the magnum part # ends with CB. Mine came with two different sized scoops, no insert.
 
I'd probably wanna cut back on the charge, anyway, with a heavier bullet. Say 1.8 grains maybe.
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Thanks, that sounds like good advice, especially since I'm not really certain that there's room for 2.0 grains..... I might even start with 1.5 grains....
 
MCGunner, what do you think of this one? 44gr seems more practical to me and still leaves room for 2gr of Bullseye.
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This is the Lyman 225438 mould I mentioned in post #73. Because of those little steps inside the chamber walls, it may be necessary to load the bullets backward.

If you could duplicate the energy from McGunner's load (2.0 gr Bullseye, 30 gr bullet, 1150 fps), the velocity of the 44-grainer should be somewhere in the neighborhood of 950 fps.
 
Accuracy?

what would loading backwards do to the flight characteristics/ accuracy?:confused:
 
I imagine that the rifling in the Companion's barrel is intended for the 30-gr slugs; I don't know how well the rifling would stabilize the longer 44-gr slugs... if the stabilization was marginal, it might actually help to have the bullets loaded backward.

Assuming that the bullets did not keyhole in flight, it would be difficult (for me, at least) to judge the accuracy from the Companion. The sights are rudimentary, and the grip is way too small for my hand.

Theoretically, the 44-gr slugs might cause more damage inside the target... but when all is said & done, it's still just a .22, and a head shot would be the best hope for stopping a fight.
 
I've read in THR, from self defense story, that a gut shot is highly effective with a .22.
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Yeah, in about 30-45 minutes. Sorry, but I'm aiming for a spot between the eyes.

t2e
 
Hi, I wanted to revive this thread; I had read here that the scoop for the NAA companion and Super companion were 1.7 and 3 CCs respectively. Sure enough I got my super companion scoop and it says 3CC. Err, 3CCs of powder is about 45 grains and 1.7 is about 25. The handles on those things must be borrowed or something. When I measured the super companion scoop it looks like it holds about 5 grains. That's 0.339 CC.

A rough guestimate when looking at the cylinder shows that it has room for about 6 grains of powder, but then again you can compress more in there.
 
Today was the first time I shot a my NAA Super Companion. It was a task to load, I kept trying to put more powder in there than it would hold. I eventually got my measure out and set it to 6 grains, which I believe is just slightly more than the scoop. It took some compressing to get the bullets seated deep enough. I made the mistake of pinching the caps, a habit from the shooting the Uberti '61 navy. That made the caps not fit well and misfire. After I tried new caps the gun worked just fine.

Observations: the 6 grains of 777 felt like it had some power to it. I say "felt", I have no actualy data. The sound was bleeping loud, I was NOT expecting that. I had some foam ear plugs but I was expecting it to do just a little "crack", and the thing went BOOM. No matter what kind of power that thing has, I think the noise would scare any threat away!

If I can get my hands on an old phone book I'll try a penetration test or something.
 
Clermont said:
The North American Arms powder scoops for the Mini and Super Companion percussion revolvers are exactly the same except for a silver colored spacer, possibly aluminum, placed in the Mini Companion scoop to reduce volume. It may have changed but this is how the scoops were supplied when I acquired a matched set of Mini and Super Companion pistols in 1996, seen in post #9 of this thread. In the photos, the Super Companion scoop is on top and the Mini Companion scoop is on the bottom.
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I have both scoops, the only difference is the aluminum spacer in the Companion scoop.
 
When I measured the super companion scoop it looks like it holds about 5 grains. That's 0.339 CC.
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How did you measure it? Best way is to fill with water, then pour into the pan on a scale, and weigh the water. That's how BP is metered. 40 gr volume = the volume occupied by 40 gr mass of water.

Wait a minute, scratch what I just said. I believe the scoop for the super companion is supposed to be .3 cubic centimeter? That's equal to 4.7 gr.
 
I measured it by calculating the volume and then using a volume to grain conversion chart I found. Like you pointed out, turns out I DIDN"T have to measure it, I didn't see the period in front of the 3CC. :banghead:

Well, if the Super Companion scoop is ~5 grains, I'm happy I was able to cram 6 grains in there. The bullets barely fit though, they tips were dragging agains the barrel a little.

What a fun little gun.
 
i was today, i have been loving my LR and Magnum companions. i have made a rear sight for mine, i chamfered the cylinder, and i polished the bore nice and bright. i also filed down the front sight so it was easier to aim! i have made paper cartridges for mine, and i have even figured out how to shoot shot out of my Super Companion! one of my favorite loads is a full scoop of Triple Seven, and one of the 30 grain conical bullets they sell at NAA, only i like to cut an X on the front of the round with a razor blade. this results in a very deadly bullet that is devastation to pop cans if you fill them with water!
 
I just bought a NAA cap and ball, in the LR Frame

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I revived this old thread to see if the new manufactured pistols are the same as the ones described in this thread. Anyone have and experience in these matters?
 
How about this as a companion: :)
 

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I just bought a new NAA cap and ball super companion, from NAA on order for
a month. It will be coming Friday July 11. Can't wait to try 2 grains of bullseye in it:)
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a cap n' ball revolver still considered a "firearm" if it's capped and loaded? Are Texas laws different? Because I know in some places that would still be illegal to carry the gun loaded and capped into a hospital if gun aren't permitted there.

Regardless, nice gun! I really like it. As for cap n' ball guns for CCW, I think they're underrated. With the chambers and nipples sealed with beeswax, they can be very air and water tight so no risk of corrosion or ruined powder etc.

I've been thinking of getting an 1860 Army to have cut down to make an "Avenging Angel" type concealable piece. With a full charge of Triple Seven or even FFFG, it should make quite the impression! With some upgrades like Slix-Shot nipples (designed to use the excellent Remington #10 cap) and maybe the pin upgrade to keep cap fragments away from the action, I'd bet the gun would be very reliable.

Right now I am planning on carrying my Cimarron 1851 Colt Navy as a "car gun" when traveling. I've got it upgraded with Slix-Shot nipples but have yet to shoot the gun, if it proves reliable at the range it'll get used as primary home defense weapon and like I said in the car on road trips. A .36 round ball with a full charge behind it is nothing to sneeze at, and supposedly hits much harder than the on paper ballistics might suggest.
 
Cooldill said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a cap n' ball revolver still considered a "firearm" if it's capped and loaded? Are Texas laws different? Because I know in some places that would still be illegal to carry the gun loaded and capped into a hospital if gun aren't permitted there.

Regardless, nice gun! I really like it. As for cap n' ball guns for CCW, I think they're underrated. With the chambers and nipples sealed with beeswax, they can be very air and water tight so no risk of corrosion or ruined powder etc.

I've been thinking of getting an 1860 Army to have cut down to make an "Avenging Angel" type concealable piece. With a full charge of Triple Seven or even FFFG, it should make quite the impression! With some upgrades like Slix-Shot nipples (designed to use the excellent Remington #10 cap) and maybe the pin upgrade to keep cap fragments away from the action, I'd bet the gun would be very reliable.

Right now I am planning on carrying my Cimarron 1851 Colt Navy as a "car gun" when traveling. I've got it upgraded with Slix-Shot nipples but have yet to shoot the gun, if it proves reliable at the range it'll get used as primary home defense weapon and like I said in the car on road trips. A .36 round ball with a full charge behind it is nothing to sneeze at, and supposedly hits much harder than the on paper ballistics might suggest.
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To the best of my knowledge (which is limited) if its loaded actually even if its not i would think If you start carrying it CCW or even open carry where allowed it would be treated just like a modern firearm for LE purposes.
 
All states are different but in Pennsylvania a flintlock or percussion whether rifle or pistol/revolver are considered unloaded if they are not primed. A charge of loose powder and ball sitting in the barrel of a rifle or a chamber in a revolver makes no difference.

But a 49 Colt Pocket or if you want to go ultra classy with the '62 Pocket Police have to be the ultimate companion. :)
 
I've been thinking of getting an 1860 Army to have cut down to make an "Avenging Angel
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He just got his first one and now he's lookin to buy another one. Cooldill is hooked already!!! :)


But, consider a 62' Pocket Police or Pocket Navy at 36 caliber might be what you're looking for. :)
 
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