Imagine years and years of zero silencer availability

Just get a Suppressor, Get online and complain, and then develop a load for hush hush FUN!

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Loaded about 400 rds! with me luck!
 
The whole history behind making silencers illegal or regulated is yet another example of glorifying (gorifying) and over-hyping the illegitimate uses of them. Exactly the same thing that was done for teflon coated "armor piercing" bullets (which actually reduced its ability to penetrate kevlar body armor) and short barreled rifles (can you say "pistol with a rifle stock"?)

Interestingly the UK, which has some pretty darn strict gun laws and also controls silencers under the Firearms Act of 1968, accepts that good reason to possess a firearm "should normally imply 'good reason' to possess a sound moderator" and can be legally possessed and used. In fact, it's pretty much considered good manners to use a suppressor when hunting, sport shooting, and target shooting.

The Giffords Law Center, bastions of Second Amendment Rights that they aren't, says "By making gunshots harder to hear or see, silencers diminish the effectiveness of law enforcement and gunshot detection systems. Silencers are inherently dangerous devices that shooters can use to suppress the sound of gunfire and mask muzzle flash."

Never mind the fact that the ONLY time law enforcement is likely to be in a position to hear and see anything involving firearm usage is when they're already on the scene. By and large, law enforcement tends to show up AFTER he shooting has already commenced...and indeed, after it's all done.

They also go on to say that the laws regulating/restricting suppressor construction and sales have been on the books since 1934 and has therefore made it difficult for criminals and other dangerous individuals to obtain them.

Never mind the fact that it hasn't actually made it difficult at all for anybody, much less criminals, to obtain or make suppressors. They are simplistic to the extreme and are only as complex or difficult to make as the person making them wishes to make them. And one could argue that criminals are LESS restricted than the average citizen in the matter because they're motivated to not be caught in criminal acts and have all sorts of criminal contacts through which anything at all can be obtained.

And, of course, "inherently dangerous" apparently has a different definition to GLC than the words themselves define.


Silencers ought not to be illegal to own or use, period. We over complicate the laws far too much. What matters if a person convicted of murder used a silenced firearm? He committed murder. It's like calling something a "hate crime" and charging a person for that. "Hate" is an underlying emotion which may have driven a person to commit a criminal act of violence. It's pretty safe to say that a person who assaults another had some pretty intense negative emotions driving them...but what's important is the assault the person committed.


I'm hoping the silencer laws end up going away in the long run. I'm not seeing this happen in the near future, but some laws around them HAVE been relaxed/eliminated over the past few decades, so there's hope.
 
dogtown tom said:
How on earth do you figure that?
Silencers will remain regulated until Congress removes them or SCOTUS does. The number of silencers is irrelevant, the number of states where they are legal is irrelevanr.




I'm not sure what you mean by that. Most certainly the NFA tax and registration process is doing exactly what it was intended to do. Make the purchase of certain firearms more difficult and more expensive.




In the 1960's it was "Saturday Night Specials"
In the 1980's it was "Assault Weapons"
Now, its "Weapons of War"
In another decade the anti gun crowd will have another catchy new term to use for guns that they want to ban.

No matter what we think or how the US Supreme Court rules, there will always be those that blame the gun and not the hand that holds it.
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Handguns were technically legal to own in all 50 states, but they were effectively banned and about 15 had no-issue of carry permits. The courts have struck down the effective handgun bans using may-issue handgun permitting. Courts have struck down no-issue and effective concealed carry bans by using may-issue permitting, I believe Illinois and another state was forced to go from no-issue to shall-issue by the courts. It took a few rulings saying the same thing to get it done, but it got done now every state is shall-issue. Now the only place you find no-issue and may-issure is in a history book. Was it coincidence that a whole bunch of other states went constitutional carry and shall-issue just before the attack on the no-issue and may-issue states? I think not.
Some point in the future say silencers are legal in all 50 states and there's millions upon millions of them in private hands then they're legitimately everywhere, just about everyone who wants one will have them and there will be no reason to tightly regulate them as they will be in common use. At that point all the tight regulation is doing is keeping poor people from owning them.
Tight silencer regulations probably won't be lifted in your lifetime so don't worry about it cutting into your income but it appears that the tide is turning to make them 50 state legal. Making them 50 state legal seems like it would be very good for profit if you're willing to do online sales and interstate dealer to dealer transfers.
 
N555 said:
What is it?
I think I have my friend in Virginia talked into buying one, his hangup was "VA might ban and confiscate them".
That doesn't seem like a possibility especially now.
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Two silencers, a .22 LR can and a .30 cal rifle can. Both are from Silencer Central. The Banish 30 and the Banish 22K
 
plainsdrifter said:
Ok so 4 and 10 years ago, that's it?
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Thats all I could find on "mass shootings with silencers".
There may be more but I think it unlikely.

There were a couple of mass shooters where they found silencers in their homes, but not used in the actual shooting.

Of course we know of the thousands killed every day, one at a time, by ninjas, mafia hit men and CIA assassins. I've seen the documentaries.
 
Buzznrose said:
Two silencers, a .22 LR can and a .30 cal rifle can. Both are from Silencer Central. The Banish 30 and the Banish 22K
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I hadn't heard of them before.
Besides political hazards one complaint is it "it will make the gun too long".
3.25 is about as short as you're going to get unless it's an integral 16 inch long silencer/barrel like a gemtech mist.
I have a gemtech gm22 which is a 4 inch long aluminum monocore, weighs like 2 or 3 ounces. I prefer longer ones that weigh more than twice as much that silence better.
 
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N555 said:
And the Virgina beach shooting people calling 911 reported "hearing gunshots inside a building across the street".
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People "hearing gunshots" is an interesting subject.

A hunter/sports shooter hears gunshots differently than the average citizen who has little, if any, experience with shooting. Urban people hear them differently than rural people. Just a couple examples.

I've always said that just about anybody could shoot a gun in town ONE TIME and not have anybody who hears it really question it, so long as they didn't see the gun being fired. They may question it ("what was that?"). They may consider it ("was that a gunshot?"), but so long as it's not repeated, not seen, or isn't followed up with more, they'll blow it off or otherwise ignore it.

And then there are people who will literally call any loud bang a gunshot. Could be a firecracker. Could be a car backfiring. Could be a broom handle falling down and smacking the floor flat.

And finally, there are the "after-the-fact" people. They heard a noise, but didn't make the cognitive connection to gunshots until AFTER the event was later publicized.

The machine we call "human" is a pretty fascinating and weird thing.
 
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RetiredUSNChief said:
People "hearing gunshots" is an interesting subject.

A hunter/sports shooter hears gunshots differently than the average citizen who has little, if any, experience with shooting. Urban people hear them differently than rural people. Just a couple examples.

I've always said that just about anybody could shoot a gun in town ONE TIME and not have anybody who hears is really question it, so long as they didn't see the gun being fired. They may question it ("what was that?"). They may consider it ("was that a gunshot?"), but so long as it's not repeated, not seen, or isn't followed up with more, they'll blow it off or otherwise ignore it.

And then there are people who will literally call any loud bang a gunshot. Could be a firecracker. Could be a car backfiring. Could be a broom handle falling down and smacking the floor flat.

And finally, there are the "after-the-fact" people. They heard a noise, but didn't make the cognitive connection to gunshots until AFTER the event was later publicized.

The machine we call "human" is a pretty fascinating and weird thing.
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They won't call 911 or the PD non emergency line, they post on Nextdoor:"Anyone else hear gunshots?"
No, its the roofers one street over. Karen.
 
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